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economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
November 02 2008 12:05 GMT
#61
omg, right now I really damn want to get out of this addiction and after reading this, I am more determined to do it before anything happen
Economics forecast assumes everything, except responsibilities
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5780 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 12:06:33
November 02 2008 12:05 GMT
#62
On November 02 2008 20:22 LaZyScV wrote:
This is what I have been wondering and would solve (imo) all the problems of being noob friendly and in support of making it an e-sports, a game to master:
Why can't they make MBS a feature that can be deactivated by the host of the game - give players of a match the choice of MBS or no-mbs. And/or make it so that the player can choose to turn it on or off - like how in WC3 you can choose your handicap.
Is it too hard to program? If they are so dedicated to both the VERY casual players (or non-players, his mom. . . .) and the VERY hardcore players, they should invest the time and money into that - otherwise they will fail one of the groups.

The only thing that makes BW noob friendly is the choice of pace you can play: you can start vs computers on mass money maps, vs other people on mass money maps, vs computers on low minerals, then vs other people on low minerals. And there's a lot of middle ground, like BGH.
Can't they do that with MBS? Have full-on MBS and other auto-micro stuff (auto surround is so lame, imo) then tone it down as you progress to having no assistance at all (BW level). If I had a choice of my zerglings automatically surrounding units or just lining up like they do in BW, I'd choose the latter any and every time - and so would every true player of BW, and this goes to MBS.

MBS and other things like this reminds me of all these new toys that are coming out for kids: the toys basically play by themselves and the kid just watches them, not actually playing - the kid gets bored once it gets over how cool it looks and gets used to what it does.
Lego's come designed already, instructed building. . . .


What would be the default setting for the ladder? Would Blizzard be willing to balance the game for two modes separately along with team games (no-MBS, auto-mine, smart-cast, whatever certainly require different balance as they have varying attention spans dedicated to unit control etc.)?

As for MBS, I'd rather see auto-mine, "auto-surrounding" and that stupid gas mechanic being removed, and magic boxes/gravity centers being reintroduced.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7012 Posts
November 02 2008 12:24 GMT
#63
Perfectly written, if a pro-mbs person doesn't convert after this they better just commit suicide.
myIRE
Profile Joined November 2008
Belgium229 Posts
November 02 2008 12:24 GMT
#64
no to be rude or anything but, whats up with all the hate for mbs and automining.
If we compare automatic guns to 100 year old guns, would you rather still use the old ones where u need to reload after every bullet fired? or use the automatic ones with a magazine containing more then just 1 bullet? I know the comparison is not the most brilliant but just because the game evolves and makes certain areas easier, it doesnt mean its going to be bad.
It's like saying, lets go back to the old old style and remove grouping, so u have to select units over and over again instead of binding them to 1 2 3 etc... just remove every single management tool and be hardcore/progamer !!!

just my 2cents , no bashing intended
Freedom is the most contageous virus known to men.
ZlyKiss
Profile Joined April 2006
Poland697 Posts
November 02 2008 12:25 GMT
#65
[B] As for MBS, I'd rather see auto-mine, "auto-surrounding" and that stupid gas mechanic being removed, and magic boxes/gravity centers being reintroduced.


Maybe Blizzard can make a version of sc2 without all those things and show it to scbw junkies on next occasion?
composition
Profile Joined September 2008
98 Posts
November 02 2008 12:36 GMT
#66
On November 02 2008 21:24 myIRE wrote:hurf durf derp


what if instead of doing all that troublesome reloading, you could just press a button and kill millions of people with a nuke? Now war is about who presses the win button first. thats all casuals like you want, press a button, win the game, see a pretty explosion.

some of us like to push ourselves.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
November 02 2008 12:37 GMT
#67
epic.
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
November 02 2008 12:45 GMT
#68
ROFL
My. Copy. Is. Here.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 12:48:48
November 02 2008 12:46 GMT
#69
On November 02 2008 21:24 myIRE wrote:
no to be rude or anything but, whats up with all the hate for mbs and automining.
If we compare automatic guns to 100 year old guns, would you rather still use the old ones where u need to reload after every bullet fired? or use the automatic ones with a magazine containing more then just 1 bullet? I know the comparison is not the most brilliant but just because the game evolves and makes certain areas easier, it doesnt mean its going to be bad.
It's like saying, lets go back to the old old style and remove grouping, so u have to select units over and over again instead of binding them to 1 2 3 etc... just remove every single management tool and be hardcore/progamer !!!

just my 2cents , no bashing intended

On November 02 2008 21:36 composition wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 21:24 myIRE wrote:hurf durf derp


what if instead of doing all that troublesome reloading, you could just press a button and kill millions of people with a nuke? Now war is about who presses the win button first. thats all casuals like you want, press a button, win the game, see a pretty explosion.

some of us like to push ourselves.

dune much? one of you uses it and then you counter on the other side by using it. not smart.
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ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
November 02 2008 12:52 GMT
#70
well written, why was the sad panda thread closed?
Hikou Shinketsushuu
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
November 02 2008 12:57 GMT
#71
Godlike
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
composition
Profile Joined September 2008
98 Posts
November 02 2008 13:00 GMT
#72
[/QUOTE]
dune much? [/QUOTE]

nerd.


capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
November 02 2008 13:10 GMT
#73
nicely written
NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
November 02 2008 13:30 GMT
#74
Yes Anti MBS here as well ^^
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
November 02 2008 14:05 GMT
#75
LOL gg. 323-1.
who teh hell voted no XD
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
November 02 2008 14:09 GMT
#76
On November 02 2008 21:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 20:48 Plexa wrote:
Mussorgsky = Starcraft
50cent = MBS

make the right decision blizzard


It's the opposite. Because without MBS, the "mechanical" skills (speed, multitasking, "clicky macro") make the "mental" skills (tactics, ingenious micro, creativity, experience) largely obsolete.

You keep saying this in every single thread, it is simply wrong.
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
It would be great if you actually played broodwar once in a while. Perhaps you would learn something.
_I_ don't go to a wc3 forum and say that wc3 is stupid, it's all about beeing able to focus fire different units as fast as possible while moving back your own. Because well that would be stupid of me. Becuase I _know_ that it isn't true even if it feels that way for me.
So please please, don't say stupid things about a game you have hardly played.
And ingenious article ITW, really great.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 14:23:59
November 02 2008 14:22 GMT
#77
On November 02 2008 23:09 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 21:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
On November 02 2008 20:48 Plexa wrote:
Mussorgsky = Starcraft
50cent = MBS

make the right decision blizzard


It's the opposite. Because without MBS, the "mechanical" skills (speed, multitasking, "clicky macro") make the "mental" skills (tactics, ingenious micro, creativity, experience) largely obsolete.

You keep saying this in every single thread, it is simply wrong.
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
It would be great if you actually played broodwar once in a while. Perhaps you would learn something.
_I_ don't go to a wc3 forum and say that wc3 is stupid, it's all about beeing able to focus fire different units as fast as possible while moving back your own. Because well that would be stupid of me. Becuase I _know_ that it isn't true even if it feels that way for me.
So please please, don't say stupid things about a game you have hardly played.
And ingenious article ITW, really great.


This.

Try to watch some recent VOD's . Do you think that "mental" skills (tactics, ingenious micro, creativity, experience) are largely obsolete?
This is a progaming site, so we try to view the development of a new game from a perspective of an e-sports follower and player...
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
wrags
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 14:33:44
November 02 2008 14:25 GMT
#78
On November 02 2008 21:03 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 20:48 Plexa wrote:
Mussorgsky = Starcraft
50cent = MBS

make the right decision blizzard


It's the opposite. Because without MBS, the "mechanical" skills (speed, multitasking, "clicky macro") make the "mental" skills (tactics, ingenious micro, creativity, experience) largely obsolete.

I'm not really sure how mechanical skills, speed and multitasking skills give you less tools to be creative.

"this is hard therefor I don't like it/takes no real skill, but I am good at everything else ask my mom"
(or Chris Sigaty's)

I don't mean to pick on you but, I really don't get where people are coming up with this mass-entitlement thought process. Seems to be so epidemic that I'm starting to wonder if I'll cave under this congnative dissonant pressure.
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
November 02 2008 14:28 GMT
#79
we should commence operation no mbs instead of opertaion cwal XD
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
November 02 2008 14:37 GMT
#80
Hi

>I'm from Belgium and I agree with this article<

Have a nice day
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