actually i think there's an argument to be had for either. separate bases gives you the same intensity of 2v2 melee, where you have to guard both bases and be really quick to react.

shared bases seems more like a current TMM + alpha + beta.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

December 01 2008 19:19 GMT

#264

This topic needs more strategy discussion!

As a start, what kinds of builds and strats have you guys found effective besides FE?

CrownRoyal

Vatican City State1872 Posts

December 01 2008 19:47 GMT

#265

if you aren't going for FE then you are obviously aiming to do a 1/1 upgrade timing attack OR your macroer should be trying to avoid the opponent's spawn point and they microers should be going kamikaze while you as the macroer get defense asaply (I think this strategy sucks as terran).

Carkling

Germany169 Posts

December 01 2008 20:03 GMT

#266

nvm xd

CrownRoyal

Vatican City State1872 Posts

December 01 2008 20:24 GMT

#267

you don't get it

Durak

Canada3684 Posts

December 01 2008 21:16 GMT

#268

On December 02 2008 05:24 CrownRoyal wrote:
you don't get it

It's like pimp my ride but it's pimp my map. They add all this bling to it that takes away from it's purpose.

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

December 01 2008 23:37 GMT

#269

On December 02 2008 05:03 Carkling wrote:
I dont care that much about the map itself, i just saw this thread and saw a pic of the map...
its terrain is pretty ugly, it has lots of ugly straigth lines; your lonely trees look quite dumb lol and the terrain overall is very basic.

We could make it way more beatiful at broodwarmaps.net without editing the terrain itself, just decorating etc.,
This is what you could expect your map to look like:

+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

If you allow, we'd like to pimp your deco! >

bwm.net ~

Decorating TMM is a priviledge. I am most likely to give it to someone who takes great interest in the map and who doesn't piss me off.

You just failed on both counts.

cgrinker

United States3824 Posts

December 01 2008 23:56 GMT

#270

You should also fail him on his spelling

IntoTheWow

is awesome32275 Posts

December 02 2008 00:36 GMT

#271

I think the expo cannons kind of stop lots of strategies.

DT rush used to be viable before cannons. Now you need to crush cannons which gives the builder time to set up lots of defences. Maybe take out some cannos from expo (like put 2) but in a more protected position?.

or maybe remove some of the ones in the main so if you commit too much to a FE you can get your main countered.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

December 02 2008 00:41 GMT

#272

I think ITW hit it on the head. Even though you can break main cannons with 2 good microers, for teams that arent stacked so well if you FE against them you can get an easy advantage just like that.

Maybe reduce the # of cannons in the main or change how they are setup. Then again I'm really not in favor of anything that only pertains to people that aren't that good.

warribbons

51 Posts

December 02 2008 01:31 GMT

#273

i luve it

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

December 02 2008 02:27 GMT

#274

On December 02 2008 09:36 IntoTheWow wrote:
DT rush used to be viable before cannons.

Only against newbs who didn't know you could pick ovies, imo.

Also, you need only 6 zealots to take out all 4 cannons in front of a nat: you focus on the pylon and it falls just before your zealots die off.

Third, suppose you attack the cannons and fail. Then both teams die/suicide, giving you an opportunity to level some cannons. Ordinarily you'll get at least a 3-second head start because your units will die first, but even if they time a suicide well so that you both respawn at the same time, you can still get a head start by virtue of your civ being closer to a set of cannons than theirs.

Really, if the team makes a concerted effort to kill the opponent's cannons asap (with civ + microer teamwork), I don't think they'll have too much trouble.

Lastly, I think the cannons add a lot to the microer strategies.

That said, in this update I moved the 4 cannons farther apart, making them more vulernable to ranged units. I also made a bunch of misc. updates, such as adding map revealers to the suicide area so that both teams can easily see when the other suicides (if they're watching for it).

http://www.freewebs.com/bill307/tmm/Team Micro Melee AG 1.17.scx

By the way, you guys may not realize it, but in TMM hatcheries build a lot faster than nexuses and nexuses build a lot faster than CCs. (By "a lot" I mean the build time of 1.5 works.) I just changed it further so that hatcheries now have 1000 hp and CCs now cost 500. I figure hatcheries should be much easier to kill since they can be rebuilt so much more quickly, and also I figure Terran gets too strong when they have a lot of units, so I'm hoping the increased cost of a CC will help to offset the mid-game and late-game advantage.

dcttr66

United States555 Posts

December 02 2008 03:01 GMT

#275

wow bill i remember playing that map long ago...lots of pages in this thread, it's so popular! i'm jealous! hahaha... i'm just kidding. but seriously, good for you.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

December 02 2008 04:49 GMT

#276

TMM
op tl-west

NOW

gogoogogogo

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

December 02 2008 05:00 GMT

#277

GUYS:

My ISP is doing maintenance on their DNS server(s) right now, so although I have an internet connection still, I cannot get IP addresses for domains that I haven't already visited before the maintenance started. (E.g. I was browsing TLnet a little while ago so my computer still remembers the IP address of teamliquid.net.)

What I need is the IP address of a public DNS server. But I can't search for one using Google because of the DNS problem. Can someone please search for and give me the IP address of a public DNS server so that I can come on and play TMM?

Edit: nevermind, the problem seems to have gone away, at least temporarily. I can access Google now so I'll find a DNS server on my own to prevent this from happening again tonight.

IntoTheWow

is awesome32275 Posts

December 03 2008 04:22 GMT

#278

hey anyone up for games? im in op tl-west