EPTOn August 23 2008 08:50 Chill wrote:
This thread is a good barometer for retards who don't read threads before they post.
This thread is a good barometer for retards who don't read threads before they post.
This would be me.
Protoss imbalance has gone TOO FAR. - Page 14
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
This would be me. | ||
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letsbefree
Canada123 Posts
Yea i looked back at my post and its pretty retarded lol. Well what i'm trying to say is that it all depends on the skill of the player. Different races require different momentum, timing, build order, etc..but when it comes to certain points of the game, especially late game, unit imba can be seen. For example, fucking late game TvZ ultras are fucking imba, fucking fatasses raping all the shitz outta everything they see, or even fucking vessels irritating everything in sight. Of course some units are imba, but the point is to be good enough to stop your opponent from getting to that level where they abuse certain characteristics of different units. Like using scourages to constantly maintain a low population of vessels, or to use drops to mnimize the number of zerg expansions. That's the point i was trying to make. I'm not saying that the game is imbalanced, cuz imo its one of the best games ever made, but it takes good players to play a completely balanced game, and it takes more skill to exploit your opponent's weaknesses by abusing certain units. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
thread who feel that the limitations of the player far outweigh the limitations of the map, and while this is certainly true at lower levels, when you reach the upper echelon of competitive, you'll run into many epic clashes between the Protoss and Zerg where it really is balanced. Regardless of who gets the win, it's always a close fight. | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
Actually even though it was a long game i think Stork had it under control most if not all of the game. (zomgz ancient spoilers) | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Heres a zerg pro owning a toss in air w/ 40 + sairs + carriers. Map control favors the zerg but you can see why.Heres | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
On August 23 2008 14:41 EvilTeletubby wrote: This argument could go on for quite some time, I hope you all realize. There are a lot of people in this thread who feel that the limitations of the player far outweigh the limitations of the map, and while this is certainly true at lower levels, when you reach the upper echelon of competitive, you'll run into many epic clashes between the Protoss and Zerg where it really is balanced. Regardless of who gets the win, it's always a close fight. how do you come up with this stuff xD | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me; and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
On August 23 2008 14:47 jjun212 wrote: i only read the first page.. and just wanted to comment on that; i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me; and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about read all the thread, is amazing! | ||
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
On August 23 2008 14:47 jjun212 wrote: i only read the first page.. and just wanted to comment on that; i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me; and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about Yay, I'm not the only one o^_^o | ||
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MannerMan
371 Posts
I don't really understand zvt as well, though | ||
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KingFool
Canada428 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On August 23 2008 02:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: When a races main anti-air unit can't take out another races anti-air unit. It's a problem obv. make devs. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On August 23 2008 15:25 KingFool wrote: IntoTheWow jumping in made my cheer out loud. Did he know before or did he actually sherlock holmes this thread? knew before OR jumped in via irc | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
On August 23 2008 14:47 jjun212 wrote: i only read the first page.. and just wanted to comment on that; i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me; and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about lol QFT. When I left long ago, I was one of those Protoss players bitching about the imbalance of PvZ. All of a sudden with the new maps and FE strats, things seems to have reversed. Weird how things work out. Some pages back, people were commenting on the mechanics of the race, i.e. which is easier. I'd have to say protoss is the easiest race to play, to micomanage, to micro/macro. It's the reason why I chose protoss and why so many of my friends chose toss. With a comparatively low unit count and higher HP and straightforward unit actions, I didn't know this was even up for dispute. Seems like common sense. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
 DoctorHelvetica also posted a line, but unfortunately didn't tell any of us so we had to delete it. It was also terrible and just used line breaks to make everything line up. More stuff: Someone from Ireland solved what we were doing on page 3 but I had to delete it. (sorry I forget your ID!) XCetron also solved it but I edited his post to cover it up. I forget what page that was on. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On August 23 2008 04:16 SuperJongMan wrote: Man, fuck Ultralisks. And GOGO ANYTIME. And no, stupid guy above me, YOO STOOPID. July demonstrated how to use just scourge. Zergs recently have been making a lot more scourge if you noticed. Savior even opened with like spire => 6 scourge recently, etc. Scourge hydra ling lurker is fuckn IMBAAAAAAaaaaaaaa Dude, did you read my fucking post properly? I never said just scourge doesn't work, I said getting 100 scourges isn't the way to take air superiority, I never said just scourge isn't viable. If you can show me a JulyZerg game where he gets ONE HUNDRED motherfucking scourges to kill 8 corsairs, I will bow down to you and tell you that you are right. I said clone your scourges, preferably when the sairs are busy attacking something, if you handle it. He's not fucking JulyZerg, so I'm not expecting him to pull some gosu scourge shit out his ass like JulyZerg. I was simply referring to his crappy example. edit: side note on the lulz, i haded to defend myself  the lulz were had though, although I needed the spoiler O_o | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On August 23 2008 15:36 Chill wrote: Haha, notice how ITW took two pages before he posted? Me and Gaetele were giving him so much shit "HURRY UP" and he was choking under the pressure DoctorHelvetica also posted a line, but unfortunately didn't tell any of us so we had to delete it. It was also terrible and just used line breaks to make everything line up. I'm not surprised by ITW being epic fail. | ||
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Skittled
United States160 Posts
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