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404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
August 23 2008 05:19 GMT
#261
On August 23 2008 08:50 Chill wrote:
This thread is a good barometer for retards who don't read threads before they post.


This would be me.
seriously next disrespectful comment in this blog is ip ban. Be happy or get the hell out. // SC2 is like playing with neutral-colored Play-Doh while BW is like colorful Legos.
letsbefree
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada123 Posts
August 23 2008 05:27 GMT
#262
On August 23 2008 13:46 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2008 13:42 letsbefree wrote:
I agree with you, especially in the matchup where you are playing against P using Z. Maelstorm, Psi Storm, corsairs, DTs...just so many units that can exploit the weakness of zerg. But the thing is, altho shitloads of corsairs = gg for zerg, the point of the whole matchup is to prevent your opponent from getting there.


FAIL.



Yea i looked back at my post and its pretty retarded lol. Well what i'm trying to say is that it all depends on the skill of the player. Different races require different momentum, timing, build order, etc..but when it comes to certain points of the game, especially late game, unit imba can be seen. For example, fucking late game TvZ ultras are fucking imba, fucking fatasses raping all the shitz outta everything they see, or even fucking vessels irritating everything in sight. Of course some units are imba, but the point is to be good enough to stop your opponent from getting to that level where they abuse certain characteristics of different units. Like using scourages to constantly maintain a low population of vessels, or to use drops to mnimize the number of zerg expansions.

That's the point i was trying to make. I'm not saying that the game is imbalanced, cuz imo its one of the best games ever made, but it takes good players to play a completely balanced game, and it takes more skill to exploit your opponent's weaknesses by abusing certain units.
hehe...
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
August 23 2008 05:41 GMT
#263
This argument could go on for quite some time, I hope you all realize. There are a lot of people in this
thread who feel that the limitations of the player far outweigh the limitations of the map, and while this is certainly true at lower levels, when you reach the upper echelon of competitive, you'll run into many
epic clashes between the Protoss and Zerg where it really is balanced. Regardless of who gets the win, it's always a close fight.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
August 23 2008 05:42 GMT
#264
after the facebook thread, im reading everything page by page, and this thread was just.... beautiful :D
404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
August 23 2008 05:43 GMT
#265
Stork vs GGPlay gogo.

Actually even though it was a long game i think Stork had it under control most if not all of the game. (zomgz ancient spoilers)
seriously next disrespectful comment in this blog is ip ban. Be happy or get the hell out. // SC2 is like playing with neutral-colored Play-Doh while BW is like colorful Legos.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-23 06:02:53
August 23 2008 05:46 GMT
#266
NVM just close the thread.

Heres a zerg pro owning a toss in air w/ 40 + sairs + carriers. Map control favors the zerg but you can see why.Heres
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
August 23 2008 05:47 GMT
#267
On August 23 2008 14:41 EvilTeletubby wrote:
This argument could go on for quite some time, I hope you all realize. There are a lot of people in this
thread who feel that the limitations of the player far outweigh the limitations of the map, and while this is certainly true at lower levels, when you reach the upper echelon of competitive, you'll run into many
epic clashes between the Protoss and Zerg where it really is balanced. Regardless of who gets the win, it's always a close fight.


how do you come up with this stuff xD
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
August 23 2008 05:47 GMT
#268
i only read the first page.. and just wanted to comment on that;

i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me;

and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change

i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
August 23 2008 05:50 GMT
#269
On August 23 2008 14:47 jjun212 wrote:
i only read the first page.. and just wanted to comment on that;

i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me;

and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change

i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about


read all the thread, is amazing!
404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
August 23 2008 05:52 GMT
#270
On August 23 2008 14:47 jjun212 wrote:
i only read the first page.. and just wanted to comment on that;

i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me;

and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change

i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about


Yay, I'm not the only one o^_^o
seriously next disrespectful comment in this blog is ip ban. Be happy or get the hell out. // SC2 is like playing with neutral-colored Play-Doh while BW is like colorful Legos.
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 23 2008 06:18 GMT
#271
I am worse zvt than zvp.

I don't really understand zvt as well, though
KingFool
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada428 Posts
August 23 2008 06:25 GMT
#272
IntoTheWow jumping in made my cheer out loud. Did he know before or did he actually sherlock holmes this thread?
Stimin myself on a daily basis
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
August 23 2008 06:26 GMT
#273
On August 23 2008 02:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2008 02:51 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On August 23 2008 02:28 Gaetele wrote:
Once Corsairs get into groups above 8 or so, even a hundred Scourge won't manage to take out one.


Err isn't that an indication that perhaps you should be using something other than scourge at that stage?

It's like saying scouts are imbalanced cos you can't take them with 2958230959023859 lings....


When a races main anti-air unit can't take out another races anti-air unit. It's a problem obv.

make devs.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
August 23 2008 06:30 GMT
#274
On August 23 2008 15:25 KingFool wrote:
IntoTheWow jumping in made my cheer out loud. Did he know before or did he actually sherlock holmes this thread?


knew before OR jumped in via irc
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-23 06:36:45
August 23 2008 06:35 GMT
#275
On August 23 2008 14:47 jjun212 wrote:
i only read the first page.. and just wanted to comment on that;

i quit playing/watching SC a longgggggggg time ago and i always either won really quickly or lost horribly in PvZ because i just sucked PvZ, so imba back then to me;

and now everyone is saying that some "FE" and Bisu build is making ZvP imba? wow.. some things really change

i guess i gotta watch this to see what you guys are talking about


lol QFT.
When I left long ago, I was one of those Protoss players bitching about the imbalance of PvZ.

All of a sudden with the new maps and FE strats, things seems to have reversed. Weird how things work out.

Some pages back, people were commenting on the mechanics of the race, i.e. which is easier.

I'd have to say protoss is the easiest race to play, to micomanage, to micro/macro.
It's the reason why I chose protoss and why so many of my friends chose toss.

With a comparatively low unit count and higher HP and straightforward unit actions, I didn't know this was even up for dispute. Seems like common sense.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-23 06:41:06
August 23 2008 06:36 GMT
#276
Haha, notice how ITW took two pages before he posted? Me and Gaetele were giving him so much shit "HURRY UP" and he was choking under the pressure

DoctorHelvetica also posted a line, but unfortunately didn't tell any of us so we had to delete it. It was also terrible and just used line breaks to make everything line up.

More stuff:
Someone from Ireland solved what we were doing on page 3 but I had to delete it. (sorry I forget your ID!)
XCetron also solved it but I edited his post to cover it up. I forget what page that was on.
Moderator
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 23 2008 06:37 GMT
#277
I don't play starcraft anymore but when I did I was the exact same zvp and zvt
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-23 07:01:39
August 23 2008 06:38 GMT
#278
If your doing that it's obvious why you would lose to a D- protoss....you cant take air superiority with 100 scourges, if you are really intent on taking down that group of corsairs clone your scourges and send them in while the sairs are attacking a couple mutas, or even when they are hitting your ovies if you think you can handle it. And if you were saying that 'just as an example' its a pretty stupid example then.
On August 23 2008 04:16 SuperJongMan wrote:
Man, fuck Ultralisks.

And GOGO ANYTIME.

And no, stupid guy above me, YOO STOOPID. July demonstrated how to use just scourge. Zergs recently have been making a lot more scourge if you noticed.

Savior even opened with like spire => 6 scourge recently, etc.

Scourge hydra ling lurker is fuckn IMBAAAAAAaaaaaaaa

Dude, did you read my fucking post properly? I never said just scourge doesn't work, I said getting 100 scourges isn't the way to take air superiority, I never said just scourge isn't viable. If you can show me a JulyZerg game where he gets ONE HUNDRED motherfucking scourges to kill 8 corsairs, I will bow down to you and tell you that you are right. I said clone your scourges, preferably when the sairs are busy attacking something, if you handle it. He's not fucking JulyZerg, so I'm not expecting him to pull some gosu scourge shit out his ass like JulyZerg. I was simply referring to his crappy example.
edit: side note on the lulz, i haded to defend myself
the lulz were had though, although I needed the spoiler O_o
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
August 23 2008 06:41 GMT
#279
On August 23 2008 15:36 Chill wrote:
Haha, notice how ITW took two pages before he posted? Me and Gaetele were giving him so much shit "HURRY UP" and he was choking under the pressure

DoctorHelvetica also posted a line, but unfortunately didn't tell any of us so we had to delete it. It was also terrible and just used line breaks to make everything line up.


I'm not surprised by ITW being epic fail.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Skittled
Profile Joined July 2007
United States160 Posts
August 23 2008 06:41 GMT
#280
Gaetele quit being such a whiner. post your iccup id so everyone can see which D- protoss destroyed you. Im a D+ terran, and honestly, i can beat D- protoss using zerg as my offrace. you are probably D+ / C- level, son. give it a few weeks, those imba D- protoss will drop your rank so fast.
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