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Kah v1.3 ANTIHACK MAPS
Zinosaur added a new public hack/plugin that gets passed IntrA v1.2 maps and iCCup Launcher... (August 16)
BUT..
iCafe.Moto, a household name in many countries, in cooperation with the savants at broodwarmaps.net, created new AH maps in less than 24 hours..
DOWNLOAD LINK: http://www.mediafire.com/?1rxphjlxfdb
NOTE:
-Moto rushed to get the maps finished, so they might have errors.. He also used the iCCup Mappack which has mistakes in the maps (unless they corrected them). Please tell if you find something wrong.
The maps have been tested and definitely will drop hackers who have hack turned on at start or if they turn it on later. If they turn it on later, they will drop with no dropscreen, if they have it on at start they will drop with a dropscreen.
-iCCup Vampire is missing.. couldn't unprotect it.
-Maphack drops when toggled or every 6/7 minutes depending on type of hack being used
Changes from IntrA v1.2 to Kah v1.3
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-Deleted over 100 unused triggers + strings, making the map size 1 kb smaller, sup?
-Changed few things around, nothing serious
-Removed Warning Messages, and added ultrafast screencheck @ beginning of game..
-Used current iCCup Maps, not old wgtour maps
iCafe.Moto's msn if u want to talk to him is Spartan-119@hotmail.com
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[B]Zinosaur:B]
To iCafe.Moto, gg noob. It will only take a few seconds to update this hack if you ever do decide to update these maps of yours
blow-_-me
if smi.fucksteve closes this thread, im going to FUCKING shoot myself
edit: added FUCKING
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I appreciate the hard work that goes into this, but I really wish they didn't treat all mac users as hackers 
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On August 18 2008 10:54 Moto.Kah wrote:Show nested quote +[B]Zinosaur:B]
To iCafe.Moto, gg noob. It will only take a few seconds to update this hack if you ever do decide to update these maps of yours
blow-_-me if smi.fucksteve closes this thread, im going to FUCKING shoot myself edit: added FUCKING
This probably does not increase your chances.
Thanks for the maps though, hope they work for a while.
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Thanks for the effort but if you don't collaborate with iccup admins I doubt these maps will catch on outside of private games.
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On August 18 2008 10:59 CDRdude wrote:I appreciate the hard work that goes into this, but I really wish they didn't treat all mac users as hackers
Well i mean it's what they get for getting a mac and expecting to run a game.
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Thanks for pissing off Zynastor enough to make him release the ICCup hack, Moto. You're a real classy guy.
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honestly, I know its icafe.moto, but hes trying to help the community
blame the hackers and the hackmakers, not the people trying to stop them
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Moto was the reason people could play on other servers other than ICCup with the reassurance people didn't hack for a while. Moto didn't make Zynastor release an ICCup hack, he would have done it regardless.
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On August 18 2008 11:11 fusionsdf wrote:
honestly, I know its icafe.moto, but hes trying to help the community
blame the hackers and the hackmakers, not the people trying to stop them
I would, except that Zynastor has had an ICCup hack for a long while and not released it. Why? Because he had no real reason to be mad at that community and doesn't see the point of interfering with competitive play outside of regular B.net. That is, until Moto came on his boards and started acting like a complete jackass retard (just like he acts here).
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On August 18 2008 11:03 IzzyCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2008 10:59 CDRdude wrote:I appreciate the hard work that goes into this, but I really wish they didn't treat all mac users as hackers Well i mean it's what they get for getting a mac and expecting to run a game.
This makes me very sad 
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On August 18 2008 11:01 Tomed wrote:
Thanks for the effort but if you don't collaborate with iccup admins I doubt these maps will catch on outside of private games.
Um, basically the majority of public Play/Obs games were using Intra 1.2, they were fairly widespread and commonly used in public play/obs and private games.
The iccup admins are aware of the potentially security flaw and will have fixed it on their own shortly.
On August 18 2008 11:07 tec27 wrote:
Thanks for pissing off Zynastor enough to make him release the ICCup hack, Moto. You're a real classy guy.
Hey genius, did it ever occur to you that zinosaur would have released the iccup match without Moto's antihack work? Not to mention, Moto's work is the best in existance towards fighting hacks on battle.net without any special launcher. His maps are the most complete and secure of all anti-hack maps. Moto's maps don't effect iccup AT ALL, there is no reason to connect Moto with the iccup hack patch. You might as well go flame Flag for releasing the method of catching oblivion hackers looking for 0 suspicious actions, which of course was immediately patched by zinosaur.
On August 18 2008 10:59 CDRdude wrote:I appreciate the hard work that goes into this, but I really wish they didn't treat all mac users as hackers
Regretably it is impossible to make anti-hack maps which completely cover all possible forms of hack without dropping Macs, and the fault lies in the Mac itself and how it saves values. Moto has looked into this.
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On August 18 2008 11:07 tec27 wrote:
Thanks for pissing off Zynastor enough to make him release the ICCup hack, Moto. You're a real classy guy.
yes, i am classy
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I just used your Python map against a Zerg mineral hacker, but it didn't drop him. I don't know if he was also maphacking or not, but it didn't drop him.
The game didn't last until 6/7 minutes, so maybe that's why?
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On August 18 2008 11:14 tec27 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2008 11:11 fusionsdf wrote:
honestly, I know its icafe.moto, but hes trying to help the community
blame the hackers and the hackmakers, not the people trying to stop them I would, except that Zynastor has had an ICCup hack for a long while and not released it. Why? Because he had no real reason to be mad at that community and doesn't see the point of interfering with competitive play outside of regular B.net. That is, until Moto came on his boards and started acting like a complete jackass retard (just like he acts here).
Wait...so you're blaming somebody else for ticking off Saint Zynastor and forcing him to release his hacks? When the good-hearted soul would never ever have released it otherwise, because he really loves the community (except for B.net, because pubbies don't count). (Although one does wonder why he bothered writing a hack that he was not going to release.) Sounds messed up to me. The guy who releases the hack deserves 100% of the blame. Nobody else.
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On August 18 2008 11:14 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2008 11:03 IzzyCraft wrote:On August 18 2008 10:59 CDRdude wrote:I appreciate the hard work that goes into this, but I really wish they didn't treat all mac users as hackers Well i mean it's what they get for getting a mac and expecting to run a game. This makes me very sad
Fuck apple itunes is more or less AOL now and their newest os you can't use on any computer only "mac supported" hardware in fact you can upgrade a mac and you could fuck up your comp if it's not mac compatible, hell although i rather just use masterofchaos plug in anyways.
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On August 18 2008 11:32 Leunal wrote:
I just used your Python map against a Zerg mineral hacker, but it didn't drop him. I don't know if he was also maphacking or not, but it didn't drop him.
The game didn't last until 6/7 minutes, so maybe that's why?
Depending on the kind of hack, it could be possible that he used a hack which you turn on after the game starts, which yes should be dropped at like 6:48. It's possible to make this check come earlier and more often, but it clears all the text, which can be very annoying, so it comes ever 6:48 or something.
edit: Apparently these maps don't check for mineral hack since it's such an obvious hack -_-
Moto says Master of Chaos's plugin detects mineral hack, and you should use that.
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I'm sorry Tec27, but that's the worst fucking logic ever. Thanks for the good work, Moto. I hope Zynastor dickhead doesn't release an update soon.
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Even if he does, the exceptionally adept iCafe.Moto will have an update on all maps in less than 24 hours, as always, with flame included with no additional charge!
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On August 18 2008 11:48 ButtFace wrote:
I'm sorry Tec27, but that's the worst fucking logic ever. Thanks for the good work, Moto. I hope Zynastor dickhead doesn't release an update soon.
Yes, my logic is horrible. Lets take a walk down the history files here. In the past, Zynastor's position has been that he wouldn't even entertain the possibility of releasing a public ICCup hack (and you can see this if you go look at the many requests for it on the unnamed forum). Yet all of the sudden, thats mysteriously changed. And directly before that change, some guy named Moto pranced over to said forum and acted like a completely arrogant asshat. And to add further evidence, the ICCup hack and the Moto maps hack fix are in the *same* hack, and said hack is completely seperate from Oblivion. The hack also only contains those two features.
Here's a metaphor that may help to understand why I blame Moto:
Let's say you're walking down the street and some guy rushes out of the shadows and begins mugging you at gunpoint. He considers killing you and could easily do so, but then decides he has no good reasons to do so, and instead decides merely to take your things and go along his way. But just then, you begin berating him and insulting him, causing him to become angry. So he shoots you. Whose fault is it that you got shot? The mugger had the gun, but he wasn't going to use it for that purpose until you made him angry. So had you just let him be, you would have been completely unharmed other than the harm which was unavoidable.
The other SC programmers (if Moto can even be classified under that) have maintained a respectable presence and done their best to not strain an already tenuous relationship with the hack programmers. And in doing so, we had sort of a small understanding that they wouldn't interfere with things that were exclusively in the competitive realm with public hacks. Of course, individuals like Moto don't care enough about this community to maintain that. Moto deserves absolutely no respect here.
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Yeah, moto why cant you just stop being bad mannered? Like what the hell is wrong with you?
Thanks for the maps anyways I guess.
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I blame the guy with the gun, for shooting it. And I blame Zynastor, for writing hacks. I don't know what Moto wrote on that forum, and I guess he can just get banned from TL again, but Zynastor wrote the hack, and Moto makes anti-hack maps.
I hope people keep writing and improving ant-hacks, I think and hope the zeal of people who work against hackers is greater than that of the hackers.
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Um, hacks were already widespread on all public battle.net gateways. Thanks to Moto, players were finally able to play LEGIT games on even the hack-infested shithole that is USEast. Maybe Moto did anger Zynawhore, but you can't say for certain Moto is the reason he decided to release the iccup hack. Whether Moto had angered him or not, he still had the power to release the hack any time he chose.
Let's say Moto never existed. Where would we be? The only hack-free games we could play would be at iccup. Hack creators would still have the potential to fuck up iccup's hack-free setting. Maybe someone else would have pissed them off. Maybe they would have eventually released the iccup hack anyway. It's impossible to tell what would have happened. Besides, getting trolled at a forums isn't a good enough reason to completely fuck up the only hack-free competitive starcraft left. Zynawhore deserves 100% of the blame.
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On August 18 2008 12:18 ButtFace wrote:
Um, hacks were already widespread on all public battle.net gateways. Thanks to Moto, players were finally able to play LEGIT games on even the hack-infested shithole that is USEast. Maybe Moto did anger Zinowhore, but you can't say for certain Moto is the reason he decided to release the iccup hack. Whether Moto had angered him or not, he still had the power to release the hack any time he chose.
Let's say Moto never existed. Where would we be? The only hack-free games we could play would be at iccup. Hack creators would still have the potential to fuck up iccup's hack-free setting. Maybe someone else would have pissed them off. Maybe they would have eventually released the iccup hack anyway. It's impossible to tell what would have happened. Besides, getting trolled at a forums isn't a good enough reason to completely fuck up the only hack-free competitive starcraft left. Zinowhore deserves 100% of the blame.
I'd say, as I already have, that the ICCup hack would have remained a non-public hack had Moto never shown up. If I am correct in that, and as you say, its impossible to know, then we'd be a lot better off without Moto. Why? Because now, not only do we have useless "anti-hack" maps that can easily be bypassed and will be within 24-48 hours, we also have a public ICCup hack. When all you have standing in the way of you releasing a hack is a small bit of respect and understanding for people, someone coming in and destroying that respect is certainly enough to make you release it.
Anyway, you'll never agree with me, and honestly, I couldn't care less who you blame. I'd just like to see Moto take his sorry ass out of this community and stop acting like he's some benevolent creator thats doing great things, because he's fucking up a lot of stuff. So yeah, I'm done with this thread.
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[bad analogy]
I guess Americans are to blame for the 9/11 attack. We should never have angered those terrorists.
[/bad analogy]
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Iccup launcher also gets easily bypassed by the hacker without much effort at all, apparently. I guess iccup is useless too, then.
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Wonderful now ICCup is tainted : [.
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Zynastor wrote:
Version 1.0.2
- Updated anti hacker map fix to work with the new Kah v1.3 maps.
That jackass.
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On August 18 2008 12:32 tec27 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2008 12:18 ButtFace wrote:
Um, hacks were already widespread on all public battle.net gateways. Thanks to Moto, players were finally able to play LEGIT games on even the hack-infested shithole that is USEast. Maybe Moto did anger Zinowhore, but you can't say for certain Moto is the reason he decided to release the iccup hack. Whether Moto had angered him or not, he still had the power to release the hack any time he chose.
Let's say Moto never existed. Where would we be? The only hack-free games we could play would be at iccup. Hack creators would still have the potential to fuck up iccup's hack-free setting. Maybe someone else would have pissed them off. Maybe they would have eventually released the iccup hack anyway. It's impossible to tell what would have happened. Besides, getting trolled at a forums isn't a good enough reason to completely fuck up the only hack-free competitive starcraft left. Zinowhore deserves 100% of the blame. I'd say, as I already have, that the ICCup hack would have remained a non-public hack had Moto never shown up. If I am correct in that, and as you say, its impossible to know, then we'd be a lot better off without Moto. Why? Because now, not only do we have useless "anti-hack" maps that can easily be bypassed and will be within 24-48 hours, we also have a public ICCup hack. When all you have standing in the way of you releasing a hack is a small bit of respect and understanding for people, someone coming in and destroying that respect is certainly enough to make you release it. Anyway, you'll never agree with me, and honestly, I couldn't care less who you blame. I'd just like to see Moto take his sorry ass out of this community and stop acting like he's some benevolent creator thats doing great things, because he's fucking up a lot of stuff. So yeah, I'm done with this thread.
Is it fair to punish the whole for the misconduct of one misbehaving student? Moto provoked him enough to release this hack that works on iccup but was it fair to make the whole community suffer for what he's done? Is it right for the teacher to make an entire class stay after school becuz one child decided to clown around? Sure all the kids would hate him for the moment being held but the teacher is the real culprit. If the teacher had any sense of reasonability would only punish that one child. This shows that Zynastor doesn't care about the community at all or would've found some way to deal with moto only. If he would release a working iccup hack what makes u think he wouldn't do it if moto never existed and some other azzhat decided to bm the fuk outta him? Or another? Would u just keep blaming the ppl bm'ing him or the person taht's releasing the hacks?
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zynastor wins
gg noob
pce, i got better things to do
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On August 18 2008 13:43 Moto.Kah wrote:
zynastor wins
gg noob
pce, i got better things to do
What is wrong with you? Do you even realize why people think you're such trash?
God you're so fucking dumb. You've had a huge hand in ruining one of the last competitive outlets for foreign bw players because you're to fucking dumb to not run your mouth.
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sigh.... iccup!!!! well at least i have a legit contingent of friends to play with.
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i appreciate people doing stuff to help the community but this is like useless
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what no one's posted G-_-G yet? O_o
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On August 18 2008 12:18 ButtFace wrote:
Um, hacks were already widespread on all public battle.net gateways. Thanks to Moto, players were finally able to play LEGIT games on even the hack-infested shithole that is USEast. Maybe Moto did anger Zynawhore, but you can't say for certain Moto is the reason he decided to release the iccup hack. Whether Moto had angered him or not, he still had the power to release the hack any time he chose.
Let's say Moto never existed. Where would we be? The only hack-free games we could play would be at iccup. Hack creators would still have the potential to fuck up iccup's hack-free setting. Maybe someone else would have pissed them off. Maybe they would have eventually released the iccup hack anyway. It's impossible to tell what would have happened. Besides, getting trolled at a forums isn't a good enough reason to completely fuck up the only hack-free competitive starcraft left. Zynawhore deserves 100% of the blame.
this.
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On August 18 2008 15:15 HeavOnEarth wrote:
what no one's posted G-_-G yet? O_o
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I don't get what this is going to do, please elaborate 
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United States43256 Posts
Zynastor just killed icc. We really need Ashur about now.
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United States43256 Posts
Oh, and people blaming moto for zynastor need to get their heads out of their ass. Yeah, you're pissed off and want someone to blame. Well we know who is to blame. The man who wrote a bypass for the antihack and then made it public.
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Oh, no wonder I felt that people were mirroring my movements yesterday...eh
Too bad, I remember reading an interview about him clearly stating he intends on not to screw competitive StarCraft. Even though the basic morality shining out from the answers of his were more than just questionable...
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When asked why he released it to the public:
"Anti-Hackers should stay away from here and not insult me." - Zynastor
I still think what motos doing is good, the maps a great, hes just really fucking immature. And so is zynastor.
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United States43256 Posts
Nah, the solution to this should be obvious. Integrate Zynastors maphack into icc launcher. If everyone is maphacking then nobody has an unfair advantage. EZ. It'd be a little weird at first, learning to play with hack, and build orders would get crazy with people doing like 5 hatch before pool but it'd end cheating with hacks.
Oh, and it'd force Zynastor into trying to write hacks that stop your opponent maphacking because that's the only way they'd give a meaningful advantage to the hacker.
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Oh look! Zynastor is a 12 year old with severe insecurity issues (which he should have, since he's a failure at life). What a surprise!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
holy shit fuck zynastor -_-
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Bare in mind that these kah 1.3 maps still work on nearly every single hack, except Oblivion users who have the most recent patch. I don't know how often hackers check the site, so I'd imagine there'll still be tons of people using outdated hacks which the map still counter. I'm not positive atm which type of hacks do actually work on this map, it's possible that normal map hack even though the oblivion hack still is dropped by the map.
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Definitely going to have to stop playing ICC until they fix the security problems.
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On August 18 2008 13:52 deathfinger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2008 13:43 Moto.Kah wrote:
zynastor wins
gg noob
pce, i got better things to do What is wrong with you? Do you even realize why people think you're such trash? God you're so fucking dumb. You've had a huge hand in ruining one of the last competitive outlets for foreign bw players because you're to fucking dumb to not run your mouth.
QFT
He had to piss Zynastor off, challenge his intellect and now we have an ICC map hack. Cause and effect...
Zynastor wrote
Originally Posted by iCafe.Moto
gg noob
i give up
Good to hear, but the only noob here is you by thinking you can outsmart me
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United States43256 Posts
Regardless, the blame still lies entirely with Zynastor. Nobody forced him to make an icc hack. Nobody forced him to make it public. He chose to do both things freely and as such they are his fault.
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Zynastor sounds like an impudent child. Aren't there any programmers out there on the side of good who are more skilled than Zynastor? Blizzard for example - come on guys.
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Omg only hackfree server is ruined now ...oh well i hope iccup staff fix this and catch all the ppl that were tempted to use the hack there
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On August 18 2008 17:17 Kwark wrote:
Oh, and people blaming moto for zynastor need to get their heads out of their ass. Yeah, you're pissed off and want someone to blame. Well we know who is to blame. The man who wrote a bypass for the antihack and then made it public.
just because he is not the sole cause doesnt absolve him from blame. if moto were not a dipshit the iccup hack would not be released. the guy said he had no intention of releasing it and apparently hadnt until now. obviously the hacker is the root problem, but the idiot who set him off deserves just as much blame. when a kiddie with an attitude holds power its just fucking retarded to antagonize him.
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I don't understand how you can hold this view. Moto didn't choose to release an iCCup hack, Zynastor did. Moto didn't choose for Zynastor to have ego issues, Zynastor did. I'm sure Moto isn't the first person to be a jerk to Zynastor because he releases hacks. He has the hate of everyone who plays BroodWar seriously, or cares about competitive BroodWar.
He doesn't care about competition, or the game. He just cares about showing everyone how he's a great and wondrous programmer. The way he spoke in the interview he believed himself to be some benevolent Demigod because he left iCCup alone. Now he wants to show that his benevolence has a limit, saying "look what happens when you insult me." He's egotistical and chose to take some malicious action because someone else challenged his omnipotence. And that someone didn't choose for him to have an inferiority complex. How could he have known anyway? He was flaming Zynastor because he doesn't like hacks.
And he's just as much an arrogant child, but isn't a malicious programmer who doesn't care about competitive gaming and even actively seeks to detriment it.
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On August 18 2008 20:31 Ancestral wrote:
I don't understand how you can hold this view. Moto didn't choose to release an iCCup hack, Zynastor did. Moto didn't choose for Zynastor to have ego issues, Zynastor did. I'm sure Moto isn't the first person to be a jerk to Zynastor because he releases hacks. He has the hate of everyone who plays BroodWar seriously, or cares about competitive BroodWar.
He doesn't care about competition, or the game. He just cares about showing everyone how he's a great and wondrous programmer. The way he spoke in the interview he believed himself to be some benevolent Demigod because he left iCCup alone. Now he wants to show that his benevolence has a limit, saying "look what happens when you insult me." He's egotistical and chose to take some malicious action because someone else challenged his omnipotence. And that someone didn't choose for him to have an inferiority complex. How could he have known anyway? He was flaming Zynastor because he doesn't like hacks.
And he's just as much an arrogant child, but isn't a malicious programmer who doesn't care about competitive gaming and even actively seeks to detriment it.
doesnt matter how much of a douche zynastor is. if it werent for moto the hack wouldntve been released. zynastor said he had no intentions of releasing the iccup hack and the fact that he didnt until he was provoked kinda validates that. moto did something retarded with an obvious potential consequence, how does he not deserve to be blamed for it?
obviously zynastor does as well, im not saying he doesnt.
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I'm just hoping flag's way to weed out hackers still works after this, and that people will get caught.
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On August 18 2008 21:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm just hoping flag's way to weed out hackers still works after this, and that people will get caught.
This has unfortunately been fixed ages ago, so no, it does not work anymore.
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Calgary25988 Posts
He has a new, private method.
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On August 18 2008 10:54 Moto.Kah wrote:Show nested quote +[B]Zinosaur:B]
To iCafe.Moto, gg noob. It will only take a few seconds to update this hack if you ever do decide to update these maps of yours
blow-_-me if smi.fucksteve closes this thread, im going to FUCKING shoot myself edit: added FUCKING
ohh fakesteve..
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G-_-G
Somebody needs to post the moto's pic, which has G-_-G in the hat.
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On August 18 2008 20:53 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2008 20:31 Ancestral wrote:
I don't understand how you can hold this view. Moto didn't choose to release an iCCup hack, Zynastor did. Moto didn't choose for Zynastor to have ego issues, Zynastor did. I'm sure Moto isn't the first person to be a jerk to Zynastor because he releases hacks. He has the hate of everyone who plays BroodWar seriously, or cares about competitive BroodWar.
He doesn't care about competition, or the game. He just cares about showing everyone how he's a great and wondrous programmer. The way he spoke in the interview he believed himself to be some benevolent Demigod because he left iCCup alone. Now he wants to show that his benevolence has a limit, saying "look what happens when you insult me." He's egotistical and chose to take some malicious action because someone else challenged his omnipotence. And that someone didn't choose for him to have an inferiority complex. How could he have known anyway? He was flaming Zynastor because he doesn't like hacks.
And he's just as much an arrogant child, but isn't a malicious programmer who doesn't care about competitive gaming and even actively seeks to detriment it. doesnt matter how much of a douche zynastor is. if it werent for moto the hack wouldntve been released. zynastor said he had no intentions of releasing the iccup hack and the fact that he didnt until he was provoked kinda validates that. moto did something retarded with an obvious potential consequence, how does he not deserve to be blamed for it? obviously zynastor does as well, im not saying he doesnt.
I'll concede the point that Moto has a history of being a huge dick.
The reason I'm disputing is because I feel that if the blame is cast on Moto, then what's being said is that we are all slaves to Zynastor and need to make sure to keep him happy and satisfied so that he leaves us with the gift of iCCup, something he can snatch away at any time.
I'm not sure whether Moto flamed him because he hates hackers or because he is cocky and arrogant about his own anti-hack maps, but I think the idea that anyone should give Zynastor any kind of respect sends shivers down my spine. I think he deserves to be flamed 24/7 by everyone who cares about competitive StarCraft, and I guess now there is no reason not to do that
He's already "played his ace."
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Braavos36379 Posts
meh, dude was going to release an iccup anti hack anyway. id rather him release it and iccup have to address it and fix it than him keeping it private and them not knowing about it, now everything is in the open. just because moto flamed him and "caused it" doesn't change the fact that the whole thing was bound to happen anyway.
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ICCup AH version 1.3 is under testing right now.
I was hoping the hack creator will keep his word, but apparently he used to lie.
I'm disappointed to have such dishonest opponent. He became just like the users of hacks he made... Sad.
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The perpetrator is to blame. Who cares if he was pissed off by (albeit bad-mannered) certain somebody who stood up to him, it doesn't change the fact that he already had the hack made that could be released at a moment's notice, provoked or not. We should not compromise with these low-level hackers. If we do, a precedent is set, and there is nothing to stop them from doing something similar in the future.
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On August 18 2008 21:23 Chill wrote:
He has a new, private method.
So currently hackers are not safe? Good to know! =)
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I'm still wondering why everyone is blaming moto, yes hes an arrogant annoying prick, but hes A helping the community stay as hack free as possible, and B catching current hackers.
The iccup hack release was not his fault whatso ever, Zynastor is extremely egotistical and would love to use anything as leverage so that people wouldn't try to make him angry. I'm sure it would be released eventually, due to the HUGE influx of people begging and groveling and even offering money in some cases i've seen, to get thier cheating grimy hands on an iccup hack.
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oh shit i hope i can get some hackfree games on iccup
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Omfg zynastor is suuuch a fucking douchebag jeeeesus chriiiist I like to think of myself as being quite chill but wtttf that fuckign piece of shit makes me want to strangle fucking defenselessly cute little animals seriouslly "Oooh look at me im so fucking hot me > all the work you put into ur community just cuz im such a good programmer and person i mean i dont really care anyways im just playing wit u kids hahahaaaa,,g,asdhas,hashsh"
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What you just posted made me want to cry.
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On August 19 2008 02:25 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2008 20:53 IdrA wrote:On August 18 2008 20:31 Ancestral wrote:
I don't understand how you can hold this view. Moto didn't choose to release an iCCup hack, Zynastor did. Moto didn't choose for Zynastor to have ego issues, Zynastor did. I'm sure Moto isn't the first person to be a jerk to Zynastor because he releases hacks. He has the hate of everyone who plays BroodWar seriously, or cares about competitive BroodWar.
He doesn't care about competition, or the game. He just cares about showing everyone how he's a great and wondrous programmer. The way he spoke in the interview he believed himself to be some benevolent Demigod because he left iCCup alone. Now he wants to show that his benevolence has a limit, saying "look what happens when you insult me." He's egotistical and chose to take some malicious action because someone else challenged his omnipotence. And that someone didn't choose for him to have an inferiority complex. How could he have known anyway? He was flaming Zynastor because he doesn't like hacks.
And he's just as much an arrogant child, but isn't a malicious programmer who doesn't care about competitive gaming and even actively seeks to detriment it. doesnt matter how much of a douche zynastor is. if it werent for moto the hack wouldntve been released. zynastor said he had no intentions of releasing the iccup hack and the fact that he didnt until he was provoked kinda validates that. moto did something retarded with an obvious potential consequence, how does he not deserve to be blamed for it? obviously zynastor does as well, im not saying he doesnt. I'll concede the point that Moto has a history of being a huge dick. The reason I'm disputing is because I feel that if the blame is cast on Moto, then what's being said is that we are all slaves to Zynastor and need to make sure to keep him happy and satisfied so that he leaves us with the gift of iCCup, something he can snatch away at any time. I'm not sure whether Moto flamed him because he hates hackers or because he is cocky and arrogant about his own anti-hack maps, but I think the idea that anyone should give Zynastor any kind of respect sends shivers down my spine. I think he deserves to be flamed 24/7 by everyone who cares about competitive StarCraft, and I guess now there is no reason not to do that He's already "played his ace."
its not respect its just tolerating a petulant child because its easier to ignore him than listen to him screaming. in a perfect world, zynastor doesnt exist. sadly he does and so he has to be dealt with.
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i actually sorta like moto, despite what he's doing really he's attempting to help by bringing hack free maps, and that shouldn't be looke down upon... ._.
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On August 19 2008 02:57 Python_Max wrote:
ICCup AH version 1.3 is under testing right now.
I was hoping the hack creator will keep his word, but apparently he used to lie.
I'm disappointed to have such dishonest opponent. He became just like the users of hacks he made... Sad.
You fucking rock dude!! I love you guys
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On August 19 2008 06:00 Jumperer wrote:
GO ICCUP STAFFS
QFT
Normally I'd add more but you have a Carrier icon so what you say must be truth.
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so nobody has this zynastor guys address to give him a visit ?
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but he did create a hack that drops drophackers. i thank zynastor for that.
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release antihack.. next day hack is up.. endless cycle.. -_-;;;
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ye better send some guys to beat him up
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Idra that's like saying it's the bank's fault the burgler robbed the bank, because the bank taunted the burgler by putting the money in a safe and locking it.
Or the pedestrian deserved to be hit by the drunk driver because he was outside.
Or Banjo's sister Tooie deserved to be kidnapped by Gruntilda because she was prettier than Gruntilda in Banjo-Kazooie.
Or the sluttily dressed girl deserved to be raped.
etc
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whats the point of blaming moto, someone would piss off zynastor sooner or later, when you create hacks all day long you are not the most popular person, and as you can see he is trigger happy too, and he was also making custom icc hacks for money, hes scum, hes to blame, fuck him.
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It's not his fault for making anti-hack maps ( should be commended, if anything).
It is his fault for being his dip-shit self going and taunting Zynastor and bringing all this shit on the community.
Don't mix up the two.
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I like Moto, he's doing a lot of work and since everyone hates him he's not even getting any credit for it~~.
And zynastor is an idiot. Both for thinking that he's actually more "skilled" at programming than the people trying to stop him and for doing this in the first place.
I really really hope the guys at iccup will come through with a solution but if not, well then the hackers can play with themselves I guess? And the rest of us in private games =p
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On August 19 2008 20:38 besiger wrote:
whats the point of blaming moto, someone would piss off zynastor sooner or later, when you create hacks all day long you are not the most popular person, and as you can see he is trigger happy too, and he was also making custom icc hacks for money, hes scum, hes to blame, fuck him.
He has never once sold Iccup hacks. He might in the future to ease off of the babies like you guys. Look it was bound to happen. Like it or not, they were just screaming 'come hack me! we can't be hacked! 100% Guaranteed.' Sounds familiar huh Moto?
On August 19 2008 20:41 KlaCkoN wrote:
I like Moto, he's doing a lot of work and since everyone hates him he's not even getting any credit for it~~.
And zynastor is an idiot. Both for thinking that he's actually more "skilled" at programming than the people trying to stop him and for doing this in the first place.
I really really hope the guys at iccup will come through with a solution but if not, well then the hackers can play with themselves I guess? And the rest of us in private games =p
Right that's why B.net is 50% if not more of people using some version of Oblivion. Get lost, you probably have difficulties opening even a can of beans.
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On August 19 2008 22:55 Moto.Hater wrote:
He has never once sold Iccup hacks.
So you have inside information? Perhaps TeamLiquid is not the best site for you then. And I can assure you less than 50% on BNet uses Oblivion.
Edit: I'm not including BGH, Fastest, and UMS, because I don't play any of those.
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Yes I do have this information. Also I said B.net and I stand on this estimation.
Zynastor: '30% to 40% would be a better guess... so about 35%.'
Also for them hackers, I think 99% of the hack users use Oblivion, but probably a bit less overall.
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Of my hundreds and hundreds of games played when oblivion was NOT patched against the old flag method perhaps 1% of my opponents had auto split turned on. MAX. (yes I checked) Most of those public games on Europe.
So 50% ... yea right :p
Then again you probably play in (extremly low skilled) circles where everyone hacks so 50 % might be a good estimate for you.
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I do not understand why anyone would lay the blame on Moto. The one who commits the crime is solely responsible for his actions. The only exception to this is a) you do not understand the consequences of your actions (i.e. you have a mental illness) or b) the 'crime' you committed was not under your own volition.
Well, since the current issue lies in neither of those two cases, it seems obvious to me that the blame rests solely on Zynastor.
I, of course, anticipate the natural reply, that Moto provoked Zynastor. But consider the following point: despite telling the community that he had no reason to antagonise iccup, he made the hacks for it anyway. Is this not, implicitly, a conditional threat? i.e. "don't give me a reason to be annoyed at iccup, or else i will hack iccup!" Simply, Zynastor should have no right to impose such a threat, explicitly or implicitly. That Moto provoked him, giving Zynastor an excuse to exercise an unjust right, seems to me to detract from the whole issue at hand.
Lastly, i consider the point that there are always dickheads and we should just put up with them. That might be ok by some people, but that a whole community should appease a malicious minority seems outright absurd to me. But even if it were not absurd, you cannot expect a community of differing individuals with different opinions to all take this stance. It is simply nonsense. And since it only takes one individual for the hack to be released, then this is really another way of saying (as some have mentioned earlier) that it was going to happen eventually. In which case, of course, only the person who released the hack should be held to blame.
As i said at the beginning, i don't understand why anyone would lay the blame on Moto.
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how can you read stuff like this and still say its motos fault
"At the moment its safe from me, my mind could change at any time but I doubt I will ever make something to work with ICCUP"
so he had the hack and was just waiting for someone to piss him off ? Cant you see he could have released it over any random thing, i dont care if moto is a dipshit or not, quite frankly i dont care since i dont interact with him and the admins ban him here as soon as he posts, but he at least tried to help somehow.
il go out, shoot people and then say i was provoked, yeah any random number of things could set off a sociopath.
he also said, "im not out to destroy your leagues and ladders" yeah right i believe you, thats exactly why he decided to screw over the entire community over the comments of ONE person, he was just waiting for this.
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On August 19 2008 22:55 Moto.Hater wrote:
He has never once sold Iccup hacks.
are you zynastor??
and even if you heard this directly from him, this is like a burglar saying i never sold or made a profit from any of the items that i have stolen
why does this remind me of dino pm'ing incontrol (i think it was inc) saying "do you want to buy a custom-made icc maphack?? i don't need it anymore, i'll give it to you for 20$"
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How am I stealing it if I wrote it myself? I can't sell stuff I made myself? Because other people say no? I have yet to make any profit. I have not once sold anything for Iccup.
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On August 19 2008 20:41 roadrunner_sc wrote:
It's not his fault for making anti-hack maps ( should be commended, if anything).
It is his fault for being his dip-shit self going and taunting Zynastor and bringing all this shit on the community.
Don't mix up the two.
well whatever
before zynastor was selling the hack privately for money.
now that its in the open, maybe iccup can fix the hole. I honestly would rather have the hack public, than have a hack creator making lots of money, and so few people using the hack that its undetectable
you guys need to stop acting like zynastor is the good guy, when he was just motivated by his own profit
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He's motivated by his own shitheadedness.
Some of you guys down there in west aust better go find this guy and rip him a new one.
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On August 20 2008 01:49 Moto.Hater wrote:
How am I stealing it if I wrote it myself? I can't sell stuff I made myself? Because other people say no? I have yet to make any profit. I have not once sold anything for Iccup.
UHMMMM you DO REALIZE THAT THE DEFINITION of hacking is violating someone's property/belonging without their permission???
as in you made a tool that aid you break the iccup's rule, and give some people advantages that they shouldn't have, ultimately ruining the purpose of the whole community, which is to encourage fair and competitive sc gaming?? if this isn't wrong then i don't know what is..
jesus i hope you weren't being serious when you wrote that comment.. 'how am i stealing if i wrote myself..' so i guess now burglars have the rights to steal people's houses since they PREPARE THEIR OWN tools to break into houses, likewise murderes since they BUY THEIR WEAPONS to kill people??
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On August 19 2008 22:55 Moto.Hater wrote:they were just screaming 'come hack me! we can't be hacked! 100% Guaranteed.'
Bullshit. None of us could say that, because we clearly understand that there is no perfect/unbreakable protection. So your words is a lie... Again...
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iCafe.Moto
zynastor is a b1tch noob
G-_-g
Zynastor
Lol, scared? I only found out about your new anti-hacker maps yesterday.
iCafe.Moto
gg bitch noob zynastor
gl trying to update ur pussy hax vs these
ZynastorIts comments like this that got me interested in owning you new maps and guess what? I already have a fix for your new maps so you little unit unplacable method no longer works against my AntiHackFix. gg noob! >
Pretty much self-explanatory, but let's not bash iCafe.Moto guys, he's our  sAviOr right now, I mean unless someone else knows how to make anti-hack maps
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On August 19 2008 22:55 Moto.Hater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 20:38 besiger wrote:
whats the point of blaming moto, someone would piss off zynastor sooner or later, when you create hacks all day long you are not the most popular person, and as you can see he is trigger happy too, and he was also making custom icc hacks for money, hes scum, hes to blame, fuck him. He has never once sold Iccup hacks. He might in the future to ease off of the babies like you guys. Look it was bound to happen. Like it or not, they were just screaming 'come hack me! we can't be hacked! 100% Guaranteed.' Sounds familiar huh Moto?
I can't believe you have the audacity to post in these forums trying to justify yourself. You do what you do to feel smug about accomplishing something that became bigger than you are (giving vision to a person in a video game where he would not normally have it is as glorious as it gets for you, probably for the rest of your life... hooraw) and blaming your actions on a trifle bm fest you had with someone who is currently banned from this site makes me want to hide my head in shame for you.
You have the morals and reasoning power of a child. Leave your monitor behind and go involve yourself in the real world for a while. Perhaps it will make you realize how petty you became when he sought to destroy what many of the posters on this site, such as myself, use as a simple way of relaxing after a long stress filled day.
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On August 19 2008 22:55 Moto.Hater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 20:38 besiger wrote:
whats the point of blaming moto, someone would piss off zynastor sooner or later, when you create hacks all day long you are not the most popular person, and as you can see he is trigger happy too, and he was also making custom icc hacks for money, hes scum, hes to blame, fuck him. He has never once sold Iccup hacks. He might in the future to ease off of the babies like you guys. Look it was bound to happen. Like it or not, they were just screaming 'come hack me! we can't be hacked! 100% Guaranteed.' Sounds familiar huh Moto? Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 20:41 KlaCkoN wrote:
I like Moto, he's doing a lot of work and since everyone hates him he's not even getting any credit for it~~.
And zynastor is an idiot. Both for thinking that he's actually more "skilled" at programming than the people trying to stop him and for doing this in the first place.
I really really hope the guys at iccup will come through with a solution but if not, well then the hackers can play with themselves I guess? And the rest of us in private games =p Right that's why B.net is 50% if not more of people using some version of Oblivion. Get lost, you probably have difficulties opening even a can of beans.
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On August 19 2008 20:26 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Idra that's like saying it's the bank's fault the burgler robbed the bank, because the bank taunted the burgler by putting the money in a safe and locking it.
Or the pedestrian deserved to be hit by the drunk driver because he was outside.
Or Banjo's sister Tooie deserved to be kidnapped by Gruntilda because she was prettier than Gruntilda in Banjo-Kazooie.
Or the sluttily dressed girl deserved to be raped.
etc
i love banjo kazooie....
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when will this end....
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On August 20 2008 00:08 mIsUZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 22:55 Moto.Hater wrote:
He has never once sold Iccup hacks.
are you zynastor?? and even if you heard this directly from him, this is like a burglar saying i never sold or made a profit from any of the items that i have stolenwhy does this remind me of dino pm'ing incontrol (i think it was inc) saying "do you want to buy a custom-made icc maphack?? i don't need it anymore, i'll give it to you for 20$"
On August 20 2008 01:49 Moto.Hater wrote:
How am I stealing it if I wrote it myself? I can't sell stuff I made myself? Because other people say no? I have yet to make any profit. I have not once sold anything for Iccup.
his quote/signature matches his ego to boot. If its not him then its someone who needs just as much attention.
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On August 19 2008 10:16 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2008 02:25 Ancestral wrote:On August 18 2008 20:53 IdrA wrote:On August 18 2008 20:31 Ancestral wrote:
I don't understand how you can hold this view. Moto didn't choose to release an iCCup hack, Zynastor did. Moto didn't choose for Zynastor to have ego issues, Zynastor did. I'm sure Moto isn't the first person to be a jerk to Zynastor because he releases hacks. He has the hate of everyone who plays BroodWar seriously, or cares about competitive BroodWar.
He doesn't care about competition, or the game. He just cares about showing everyone how he's a great and wondrous programmer. The way he spoke in the interview he believed himself to be some benevolent Demigod because he left iCCup alone. Now he wants to show that his benevolence has a limit, saying "look what happens when you insult me." He's egotistical and chose to take some malicious action because someone else challenged his omnipotence. And that someone didn't choose for him to have an inferiority complex. How could he have known anyway? He was flaming Zynastor because he doesn't like hacks.
And he's just as much an arrogant child, but isn't a malicious programmer who doesn't care about competitive gaming and even actively seeks to detriment it. doesnt matter how much of a douche zynastor is. if it werent for moto the hack wouldntve been released. zynastor said he had no intentions of releasing the iccup hack and the fact that he didnt until he was provoked kinda validates that. moto did something retarded with an obvious potential consequence, how does he not deserve to be blamed for it? obviously zynastor does as well, im not saying he doesnt. I'll concede the point that Moto has a history of being a huge dick. The reason I'm disputing is because I feel that if the blame is cast on Moto, then what's being said is that we are all slaves to Zynastor and need to make sure to keep him happy and satisfied so that he leaves us with the gift of iCCup, something he can snatch away at any time. I'm not sure whether Moto flamed him because he hates hackers or because he is cocky and arrogant about his own anti-hack maps, but I think the idea that anyone should give Zynastor any kind of respect sends shivers down my spine. I think he deserves to be flamed 24/7 by everyone who cares about competitive StarCraft, and I guess now there is no reason not to do that He's already "played his ace." its not respect its just tolerating a petulant child because its easier to ignore him than listen to him screaming. in a perfect world, zynastor doesnt exist. sadly he does and so he has to be dealt with.
If Moto and Zynastor switched roles, I bet you'd be kissing Moto's ass.
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I was checking out the posts on both TL and BWH about the anti hack maps and found a post of iCafe saying he gives up. Please tell me that isn't so and that it's all just one big lie. D: =(
Only reason I started playing SC again was because the anti hack maps were out.
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United States2166 Posts
"ICCupFix has been removed since it no longer works." - Zynastor on 8/29
GJ iccup? :D?
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On September 02 2008 03:15 comabreaded wrote:
"ICCupFix has been removed since it no longer works." - Zynastor on 8/29
GJ iccup? :D?
Meh, I think it's only a matter of time before he releases another one.
I guess ICCup'ers can play safely for the time being
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On September 02 2008 03:15 comabreaded wrote:
"ICCupFix has been removed since it no longer works." - Zynastor on 8/29
GJ iccup? :D?
Yes we still have a chance!
quick nobody make zynastor mad D:
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On September 02 2008 07:43 ShmotZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2008 03:15 comabreaded wrote:
"ICCupFix has been removed since it no longer works." - Zynastor on 8/29
GJ iccup? :D? Yes we still have a chance! quick nobody make zynastor mad D:
Nah....... I think it'd be funny
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What a fucking horrible situation. This is the kind of occurrence that reminds one of how disgusting people can be. This kind of self absorbed senseless destructiveness, even if it only takes form over a mildly important issue, is the definition of evil.
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I don't know, i've played 2 games so far on icc where theres a "memory modification" error alert from the launcher, which to me sounds like a hack? in one of the games im almost positive this guy was a hacker, in the other one i think there are some surefire signs (storming shit without vision beforehand) but it's not as clear since he never left his base all game. these games were very recent
has anyone else ever played games like this? it makes me worry that there are hackers on iccup still. also, when the alert comes up the games results are discarded (i.e. no win/loss for anyone)
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Forget all these wack hacks.
Let's migrate to StarCraft Beta from 10 years ago. The program is so sensitive as to make it a serious bi*tch to crack open (and at the least, there are no hacks affecting gameplay as of now)
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/features.php?i=a&id=2198
All the links to files are broken though. Anybody still in the loop?
Go back in time for something fresh until StarCraft 2 comes out.
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LFMAO
"Some virus scanners may detect Oblivion and/or its loader (zLoader.exe) to be infect with something, if this happens for you don't be worried because Oblivion is perfectly safe to use and this happens with most hacks." -Zynastor
Found that on his forums =|
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Necro bump
I was so pumped !
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