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teh.pwnerer
Canada110 Posts
I don't wanna go into too much detail, but suffice to say I have started competitive SC and I'm getting poor results and it's discouraging me from going on, even though I want to learn to play RTS games well. I've had success at most everything else I do/play, but this is different and it's really frustrating sometimes. thx for any help | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
that helped me | ||
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teh.pwnerer
Canada110 Posts
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keit
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
Do you have any real life friends that play SC? I find that playing with friends is pretty fun even if you kill them just to hear the reactions, it really boosts your self-esteem since you are like a god to the average joe. | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
also, do you know what you're doing wrong? if you're losing a lot, what is the main cause? if you're a new player you should pinpoint one aspect of your game to work on and really really focus on that before moving onto other things to fix. i can say with around 90% confidence that many of your losses are due to sub-par macro. so make sure you're always making units. good luck. | ||
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imthemaster
United States115 Posts
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arsonist
Canada80 Posts
browse through the strategy forum! look for build orders or situational advice that will help you tighten up your game. i think it helps to understand why you lost the way you lost, as opposed to just sitting there after a game with a blank look at the end screen, frustrated that the other player "figured you out". just keep at it, you should notice at least a slight improvement with each game you play. once you lose about ten games in a row, then finally win one, it feels great.  | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Instead of trying to stop it, learn how to deal with it when it happens. If you can, channel it back into your next game and kick some serious ass. However, if you're frustrated to the point where it's disruptiung your ability to play, then maybe it's time to think about getting up, getting off the computer and releasing that pent up frustration. Go for a run. Shoot hoops. Go to the gym. Smash the fuck out of a punching bag (my personal favorite). You need to release that built up tension and the best way to do that is to physically exert yourself. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
But i do know how you should improve if you are a new player, first you should work on macro, since thats where most new players have the most trouble. After that you work on micro and strategy more. It doesn't matter how good a tactician you may be if you have no units | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Another thing: make sure to stay fed and hydrated when playing. When you're on a winning streak it can be easy to ignore being undernourished, but when you're losing and undernourished it can likewise be easy to sink into depression and frustration. Get sunlight. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
 , cheers | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
On July 06 2008 05:32 ret wrote: grow up? That, or keep playing until you win. Really, I know you could have like a thousand different reasons to get mad because you lose. But Be aware that if you lose, is because you're doing something wrong. It's nobody's fault but yours, why would you get mad at yourself?, Focus that energy into practising more and watching replays to find your weaknesses. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11586 Posts
On July 06 2008 05:06 Djabanete wrote: Make yourself do pushups for every defeat. However many minutes long the game was, do that many pushups. This way, even if you lose, you will have the comfort of knowing that you are doing way more pushups than your opponent, and thus are defeating them in that respect. haha I actually really like that idea. But maybe multiply the number by 2. Because doing merely 20-30 pushups isn't that big of a deal, but if you're doing 40 or 60 pushups, then it starts getting crazy | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
On July 06 2008 05:32 ret wrote: grow up? best advice; its a computer game..; fix ur priorities | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Once you've gotten better, then you can start playing to win. Go into a game not expecting to win, but expecting to learn from it and discover new counters and tactics. Go into the game knowing that you may very well lose and it may very well be a crushing loss, but that any loss can be watched in the replay and prevented in the future. | ||
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eD.hMm.[CCC]
United States12 Posts
I said this before to some kid who pretty much gave up every time he lost. Winning isn't everything. In actuality, people at stages such as yourself who aren't either extreme pro-"gosu" but not a noob tend to learn a lot more from thier losses than thier victories. You may not feel it or comprehend how you are getting better from your losses, but with losses comes experience. Victory is a fine taste that everyone needs every now and then to keep them going, but defeat often leaves one in the same state of mind you are in now: frustration. You need to learn to channel that frustration into endurance and more even so determination to get better. Even if you have a terrible streak going on, such as 10 losses or even more without a single victory, you have to keep going on. Push yourself. Get over it and move on. There is no way to escape feelings of frustration or anger over defeat. It's quite normal. The thing is, then, is NOT to learn how NOT to get frustrated or angry, but how to tolerate it and learn to "fuel the fire" of your determination to get better. (I know that doesn't apply to everyone) What im trying to say is that, a player at a normal caliber, such as you and myself ALWAYS get frustrated or even a bit angry over a loss or a defeat. I'd like to repeat by saying that you have to learn to channel that into determination and not tolerate giving up. It's pretty damn hard, yeah, but that is what makes chobos into gosus. In fact, suffice to say, even progamers get emotional after games. REALLY. You think every progamer made it to where they are without losses? Hell, some players suffered terrible losing streaks, but they aren't noobs. Sure, they get angry, even cry, as some of you know =), but most of them learn to either retire or get better. I hope you are not a coward and choose the former than the latter. Lastly, do analyze your gameplay. Play people that you know. Find some friends online, or some people who'd be willing to analyze your reps with you. Don't be afraid of critical commetaries or rough insults of your gameplay: that is what makes you better. Sometimes, you have to face reality and face the facts that there is always going to be people better than you, even if that means just about 80-90% of the rest of world. Push yourself to reach that goal that you want. You will get better. It takes a whole lot of freaking time though, and especially for a intense game such as starcraft. If you really can't take it anymore, and cannot channel that anger or frustration into determination, give up, or find something else to do. That means do something else BESIDES starcraft. Get off the computer and do something you are good at. Or just hang out with some friends. Or just enjoy life. Go on a vacation. You can fill in the blank here. Just do something else BESIDES starcraft. Once you learn that you win some, and that you lose more than some, congratulations, you have found that little word that defines the universe: reality. It sucks ass, so once you have matured and can finally get over losing, toleration becomes under your control and you are no longer controlled by your emotions. But don't expect that soon. That takes expereince and time. And you learn that not through starcraft, but by your real life experiences. Once you have a family and all, a hard but rewarding annoying job, you'll know what I mean. =) Encouragement you ask? Never give up. Or just retire. But I hope you choose that for YOURSELF. | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
There is no solution but there are a few short-term solutions. Do sports, punch a pillow, things like that. The frustration will stay overall but it won't hammer in your head so much anymore. | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
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Steelflight-Rx
United States1389 Posts
Edit: unless you play protoss. If you play protoss consider your defeat a glorious martyrdom for the sake of the khala, and know that you and the souls of your warriors will be rememberd forever in the templar archives. | ||
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WindCalibur
Canada938 Posts
get him to play you improve while stomping him a lot .....PROFIT | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
When someone tells you what you did wrong, your natural response will be to justify your action, or make excuses. It takes a lot of self-awareness to recognize this and reverse your thinking. You're entering a world where thousands of people are going to be better than you. NEVER record dodge on Iccup. Everytime I see a high rank join my game, I get excited. Losing to a B is worth a hundred wins vs D or C. Ask them for advice. Read the strategy forum. Watch replays. Watch Pro-FPVODS. But most of all, think when you play. Think hard. When you get into the downward spiral, when you lose and lose, and every loss makes you more upset, which makes you play worse, etc... Get up and splash some water in your face. Run up and down a flight of stairs or go outside for a few minutes. I remember chess grandmaster Josh Waitzkin said he would leave the chess board during big games and go run up a flight of stairs and splash water on his face. Something to do with body chemistry and activity sobers you from the frustration that is blinding you. Sorta like being slapped in the face when you're hysterical. It sobers you. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
I grew up losing sooooooo much from competitive Street Fighter (game) and sports team, that if I lose, I can just shrug it off. Lose, forget about it and move on. Take a break if you have to, especially those close games. Also ICCUP competition is quite high compared to bnet. Think of it as the training grounds for semi-pro. At least know where you should start from and your starting position in the hierarchy. In basketball, you wouldn't go out and play against college level players while you are still struggling just to get 2 pointers. Stick with bnet. | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
When you realise that, you won't care. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
oh hey he posted above me o.O | ||
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yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
1. Macro. Did you spend your money, continually make units and workers, and take advantage of expanding? I think at low level, superb macro can make up for lack of micro skills, which you'll only gain after much play experience. 2. Map awareness. You absolutely must keep track of where your opponent is on the tech tree, where and how big his army is, and where his expansions are and how many. Every replay you watch of yourself, try and think, did I know all of the above things about my opponent? 3. Suicide attacking. I don't know if this applies to all beginners, but I find myself often just going blindly on the attack, without first spotting any reason to or weakness in my opponents defenses. Sacrificing all your units and inflicting no damage is a very quick and obvious way to lose. This doesn't mean you should be afraid to attack, but figure out by watching the guys who kill you when and why they attack, and what made their decision a good one. Anyway by doing the above, it helps me deal with frustration because my goal is getting better (which I have control over), rather than winning all the time (in that case you're at the mercy of how good your opponent is). I still get frustrated after being owned, but using this mindset helps. | ||
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iCCup.Trent
Argentina450 Posts
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man
United States272 Posts
and also On July 06 2008 09:08 FirstProbe wrote: There are far more important things to get emotional about. When you realise that, you won't care. | ||
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MuShu
United States3223 Posts
On July 06 2008 09:39 TrentLane wrote: teh_pwnerer dude I find your nick oddly familiar, where do you play? Does my nick ring a bell? I'm TrentLane on every bnet server. It probably sounds familiar because of the Internet show PurePwnage. The main actor Jeremy's ID is teh_pwnerer. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
1. Play for fun, not to improve. Improving should simply be a side effect of all the fun you are having. 2. Play with friends & shoot the shit while you all suck and improve together. Yell at eachother, laugh, whatever it is it's more fun in a group. Getting good takes time in any game for the vast majority of people. Most people plataeu at a relatively low place on the skill food chain anyway so just 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, ffa etc.. and have fun. That's the best way for any player to get good and reduce frustration. You familiarize yourself with the game and your mind should simply adapt as everything improves. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
Also, Smurf iccup. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
You'll learn a lot more studying your own losses than watching other reps, but it does help to watch pro gamer vods on matchups/maps where you have problems and try to understand how they make choices. | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On July 06 2008 06:49 ForAdun wrote: Frustration never goes away. If you want something and you don't get it it's frustrating. And if you work hard for it and you still don't get it it's even more frustrating. It's part of all competition anywhere in the world. Just read that post and ignore the rest :> | ||
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
But still, getting beat by cheese can be really frustrating, especially when you know the player is worse than you. On July 06 2008 07:16 Nintu wrote: You're entering a world where thousands of people are going to be better than you. NEVER record dodge on Iccup. Everytime I see a high rank join my game, I get excited. Losing to a B is worth a hundred wins vs D or C. Ask them for advice. Read the strategy forum. Watch replays. Watch Pro-FPVODS. If you're B- or C+, then you'll probably learn a lot from playing agaisnt a B player. However, a D player won't learn much from it, other than how huge the gap is between him and a B player. I played people with 250-300 APM a few times and with hardcore, hardcore macro. I got crushed so badly it wasnt even funny, honestly afterwards there's not much I could learn out of it. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On July 06 2008 05:28 grobo wrote: You just have to try and force that laid back "i don't give a fuck"-attitude, kind of the way you get after 1-2 beers, you just sit there and sort of laugh it off and try silly shit all the time. ya, this is what i do. I just tell myself it doesnt matter. | ||
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joewest
United States167 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
5 pool until you win thats really, really useful to clear your temper then you just /clearstats | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
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HighTimes
Taiwan342 Posts
Have to start playing in uncomfortable setting. Before i was like "alone: check, no important things to do: check, not hungry: check, took a shit: check", only then start playing ladder. Usually got stuck on the "hungry" point and make something to eat, start watching a movie and not play sc at all.... Later just tried "wtf, it has to be fun, not serious" and invite a friend, drink some beer whatever and then play "serious" ladder games. Playing in an uncomfortable atmosphere allowed me to get rid of the tension. No tension - no anger! | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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