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On April 18 2008 03:02 jello_biafra wrote:
Yeah you can't tell which is which in the poll, but I assume Muta is winning
On April 18 2008 03:44 GoSuPlAyEr wrote:
the poll isnt showing text for me
Ye thats the bug the new server gave us. i guess
On April 18 2008 04:00 JoxxOr wrote:
A mutalisk can only be found inside a computer.
A F16 can shoot a computer.
Logic
Romanian warning.
I think Mutaliks simply out micros the wraith. For being a mutaliks. Cloaking would matter ofc. And dont you think the range of an muta is more then 120 miles? it can fire of strange looking bouncy thingies that strike 3times.
Muta so ez.
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The muta can attack from outer space, where the F16 can't even attack it.
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It depends on whether the F16 uses the cannon or missiles. The main advantage an F16 has over a mutalisk is it's long-range rockets. As we know, mutalisks take reduced explosive damage, so rockets would be pretty lousy against mutas. Furthermore, most targeting packages aren't made to lock onto biological targets (this is only a guess, I really have no idea how it works, or even which kind of targeting F16 missiles use, and I'm too lazy to google them).
From this, we can conclude that the F16's main range advantage over a mutalisk is largely negated. However, the F16 also has a large speed advantage over a mutalisk. If the F16 can score even a few hits before coming into mutalisk range, it can turn around, put some distance between them, and repeat, much like goliath-BC micro, or vulture-zergling micro.
It all depends on if the F16 can get any hits on the mutalisk at extreme range. If it can, which is likely (even if only a few), the F16 can win easily, assuming no mistakes are made.
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I'm assuming the wraith has about the same destructive power on its missiles, if not more, than an F-16. And I don't think the F-16 has enough missiles on board to take down a full HP mutalisk.
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United States43906 Posts
The reason wraiths seem to be less powerful than F-16s is that the wraith is at heart a spaceship, primarily designed for shit like hyperspace and re-entry and stasis. Also its fusion powered laser can continue to fire without any need to reload indefinitely which explains it's low power. Equally mutalisks are able to deal with flapping their way merrily through space. The F-16, which has far lower technical requirements, can be strapped full of ridiculous firepower making it seem like it's more advanced than these units when in fact it fulfils a different role which is well within the capacity of the Terrans. If they wanted to they could make an amazing combat fighter but would then be fucked when the weapons stop after all 16 rockets are fired or if the enemy in question isn't actually on the same planet.
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i think muta would 1 hit F16, f16 would have to kill muta before it gets near to him.
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F16 must be nerfed! Totally imba!
only noobs use F16:s. No micro at all with fire & forget aim-120s and 1k+nades/minute.
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I wonder when the F16 will shoot infinite missiles, like the wraith can.
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regeneration and the fact that zerg dont need logic, they have the overmind in form of some sick-as-crazy airforce progamer, who is considered wasted being a jet pilot and instead gloriously fights in abroodwar esport arena, so they are supposed superior to the simple logic of the (under)mind argggggggg >
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United States5457 Posts
how about some pic and spec on the F16 for warfare noobs?
I am going with Mutalisk, they can evolve to Devourers. They still have their final metamorphosis phase or some SC2 shitz.
SC is like 300 years later in our time line, so why are we comparing a plane of current century?
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Muta would win obviously.
And for those who say Wraith < F16... wtf?
Wraith is basically a combat fighter 200+ years more advanced than anything we have right now. Given its weak ground attack, its clearly designed more for air superiority role than anything else. It is also able to take tremendous amounts of damage compared to modern fighters, i.e. it is fully functional from 120 hp to 1 hp.
F-16 is an outdated aircraft anyways. It's in the process of being succeeded by the F-23. Plus, even *China* has designed an aircraft that can out perform the F-16, and China's somewhere about 20 years behind the US in military technology.
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anyway f-16 missile range are very high ^^ and f16 can fly faster than mach 3 rite?
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Canada9720 Posts
wraiths have longer range than mutas.
i forget who it was, but there was a sick game a month or so back where tvz on bluestorm terran went vults into 2(?) port wraiths to hold off the initial muta harrass. was siiiick
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F16??? F16 = wraith??? if so wraith will rape mutas
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On April 18 2008 06:59 axel wrote:
anyway f-16 missile range are very high ^^ and f16 can fly faster than mach 3 rite?
f16 cannot fly above mach 3, hell its a reach to get to mach 2 (only achieved at higher altitudes, at sea level, a little above mach 1 with afterburners on), single engined jet fighter except the CG variant.
also to the idiot who said aim 120s had a rnage of 120 miles +, u are flat out wrong. you are thinking of the f14 aim 54 phoenix missiles. the amraam (advanced MEDIUM RANGE air to air missile) has a effecitive range to about 50 ish miles, give or take.
f16 has a worse turn radius than the SU-27 flanker, f-22 raptor with vector thrust and f/a-18 hornet, so manueverability is bad. the speed isnt that great considerin the fact that the f22 is the only us jet to reach mach speeds without the use of afterburners near sea level....
HENCE the muta would fucking wtfpwn the f16.
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well if we're allowing modifications....
[enter]power overwhelming[enter]
also, best of luck to any missile trying to stay locked on to a muta. and once the two get into a dogfight, gg F16.
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Completely wrong. A mutalisk's primary attack is so weak that it takes five hits to kill an unarmed terran civilian. Its defenses are so weak that it can be brought down by depleted uranium shells, the same as those used by the US army. I'd like to see anyone bring down a F-16 with infantry weapons.
In a verses match we take evidence, not conjecture into account. We cannot assume that wraiths are more powerful than F-16s merely because they exist several hundred years into the future. The only admissible evidence is what is canonical: primary source being the game, and secondly any fiction.
Thus far we have seen Terran technology to be a mixed bag; while using some futuristic technology such as cloaking, it is also incredibly backward in many ways (the vertically shaped, double-barrelled, short-barrelled siege tank for instance, is a poor pre-WW2 armour design which could easily be outgunned by a Panther or T-34-85.
All evidence suggests that the mutalisk is incapable of out-fighting a 4th generation fighter, when it is outranged by infantry and has a much more difficult time doing damage to a supply depot, for instance, than a F-16 would in a ground attack role.
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wtfz0rs, Emerika cann0t l0s3 to n3wb Zerg!!111
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United States20661 Posts
You do have to remember that Terran technology basically had to be re-engineered from the ground up when they landed in the Koprulu sector from bits of wreckage; it's not an unbroken 300 year span of continual development.
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