EPT[P] F16 Fighter versus Mutalisk - Page 4
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On April 18 2008 11:55 Luddite wrote: Ha, good point, but bear in mind that scourges are basically missiles (their purpose is to sacrifice themselves to kill something else), and mutas can shoot down scourges, so I assume that a muta could also shoot down an anti-sat missile. Missiles do not give you the luxury of sitting and staring at you for a moment before killing you  | ||
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On April 18 2008 14:25 kekekekyle wrote: How does a mutalisk fly through space where there is nothing for it's wings to push on?! +Jetpack. | ||
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lazymej
Canada269 Posts
On April 18 2008 14:41 Lemonwalrus wrote: This is an actual question, does the F-16 have any non-missle weapons? Do they even bother to put machine-gun type weapons on supersonic jets? Yes they do. On virtually all of them. | ||
Last Romantic
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Krohm
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A Mutalisk on the other hand, from the same stand point. Would really be unable to travel at those speeds. (This is just from a "What we know as possible" standpoint) I don't think a Mutalisk could beat it's wings fast enough to keep pace with any Terran air vehicle. Nor is it capable of traveling in space. Unless it has some sort of unexplained propulsion system... So really, I believe a F-16, would completely waste a Mutalisk. Sure missiles would not be able to lock onto it. That doesn't mean they couldn't use their guns. The Mutalisk would really be dead before it even knew what hit it. Unless it seen it coming. Then maybe it could avoid the F-16. F-16s are just to fast for it to compete with. So yeah, I'd have to go with a F-16. But from a game stand point. The Mutalisk would win. Since Muta > Wraith. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
Just 1v1 in air? Mutalisks can fly forever, eventually F16 will crash, no chance what so ever. 1v1 in air Mutalisks can evade above atomsphere, again, F16 will be unable to chase. Easy dodge. Mutalisks can morph into devour, which could slow F16, causing it to crash, seeing how F16 cannot suspend in midair like a wraith could. | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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On April 18 2008 10:46 Newbistic wrote: Hmm... Totally wrong How Starcraft units play out is obviously based not on realism but on game balance. However, since you are taking "evidence" (which can incidentally be twisted oh so many ways by looking at different unit relationships), I will argue on your grounds. First of all, according to Blizz, the Marine rifle is much more powerful than your average modern-day rifle. They use Gauss technology, which presumably allows the high-density U-238 bullets to travel faster and thus have better penetration than modern rifles. So, okay, if a Mutalisk can be brought down by 20+ bursts of a super high-powered assault rifle that's fine- I'm pretty sure an F-16, if you are able to hit it with even half as many bursts, will go down in a fireball. A mutalisk's structural integrity is still very good. Second of all, the Mutalisk's attack is not "weak." In the Starcraft world, it takes 5 hits for a mutalisk to take out an unarmed "but no proof for being unarmored" civilian. Similarly, it takes 7 hits from the aforementioned high-powered gauss rifle to take down a civilian (yes, that makes perfect sense -_-). So a mutalisk's firepower is at least more potent than several high-velocity U-238 rounds. Thirdly, there is the question of maneuverability. A mutalisk can, never mind turn on a dime, turn on a PIXEL without the loss of velocity. F-16's do not even have vector thrust. Even if its speed is very slow, say 300 mph (not too unreasonable based on the FMV's), in a dogfight maneuverability is key. Most of the new generation fighters have lower maximum speeds than the previous generation (F-18 compared to F-14, F-22 compared to F-15, and so on), but better maneuverability. In this aspect the Mutalisk can dodge missiles and out turn the F-16 every time. Lastly, there is the structural integrity of the F-16. Based on "evidence," a mutalisk can survive 13 dual-missile volleys, or 13 missile turret missiles (which don't really count, its since the modern equivalent would be like the Patriot missile system). A wraith, incidentally, can survive 6. An F-16 can survive... one? At most? And based on more "evidence," all starcraft units have perfect aim. So that means the F-16 can survive at most, 3 hits from a mutalisk, provided that they do not hit critical areas such as the cockpit. Therefore, Mutalisk > F16. I have too much time on my hands. Look, I am following standard verses rules which take into account creditable feats and not imagined ones, Let's look at which of your claims are substantiated by primary or secondary source evidence: -The mutalisk can dodge missiles (have you ever seen a mutalisk dodge a missile?) -The gauss rifles of marines, which supposedly are a good match against zerglings (the same Zergling which was KOed by a bloody jeep in blizzard's own cut scene) is much more powerful than modern rifles and is capable of sufficient range and damage to down a F-16 -The mutalisk's attack, even if comparable to infantry fire (they actually deal much less damage/time than a marine) is merely that. -In a dogfight manoeuvrability is key IF two aircraft can achieve comparable speed. Judging by the cut scene of SC1, a mutalisk doesn't move much faster than a biplane. A F-16 can zig-zag its attacks and outrun it by a mile. -That a missile turret has equivalent capability to a modern missile, which it obviously does not, (it also has no tracking capability) given that it could not shoot down one of those prehistoric critters in fewer than six shots. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
In their original forms these creatures were capable of atmospheric and deep-space flight, although how they accomplished such a feat is poorly understood. Apparently they were even capable of migrating between stars, presumably while in some kind of larval form. So yeah, they can fly in space. Somehow. ^^ There is also proof in game, as they have absolutely no trouble flying on space-platform maps. People arn't comparing them correctly, though. You either compare them both in "realism", or both "in game". Realistically, a glaive wurm would rip an F16 to shreds, go through it, and take out the next 12 F16's behind it. It woudlnt even bounce. It'd just rip right through.... if it hit. On the other hand, an F16's rocket would blow the crap out of the mutalisk. Even some good cannon fire would rip it apart. It could hit its wing and it could lose its flying ability. It could lose a vital organ, possibly bleeding to death, or even dying instantly (brain, heart?). Blow its brains out. Literally. ^^ It would be exactly the same with a Wraith. From an SC-ingame standpoint, everything is different. Everything is scaled. Battlecruisers, in "real life", could have like 12 baseball feilds in them. They're liek flying carriers, only bigger. Think Imperial Cruisers from Star Wars, with a yamato gun. Yet, in-game-scale, you'd be surrprised that a goliath could even fit in there. Obviously, no matter how much armour a marine has, he can't withstand a glaive wurm. If he could hit the muta, he could probably kill it. Still, unless the muta is mentally challanged, it wont' drop right in front of him and start attacking. It'll be flying over, shoot, and continue on doing whatever the hell its diong. Thers no way your oging to hit a target thats moving that quickly (although, since theyre zerg, theres probably thousands/millions/billions. Firing at it might miss, but you'd probably hit another ^^) You also have to take it account that both coudl miss and dodge. I would put my money on the Muta, although the F16 certainly stands a chance. Put in a more advanced fighter and the Muta's chances go down further; not completely though. In most cases, I'd say "first one to hit wins". | ||
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MaReK
Australia446 Posts
On April 18 2008 16:25 Cr4zy3y3s wrote: In most cases, I'd say "first one to hit wins". Agreed. | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
This is what makes them so imba compared to F16s. | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
In game representation: Mutalisks. Mass muta always rape wraiths head to head and it doesn't look like F-16 could have splash damage. | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
And how fast would mutas fly realistically? Mutas are not aerodynamic at all, they are like worms with wings. If they can somehow reach say 200 mph, that is already unreal. And that's not even a third of the speed of an F-16. The jet would jsut outmaneuver and pick off every singe muta. | ||
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Bet you all looked at your keyboard just then | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On April 18 2008 17:54 TheTyranid wrote: Oh and to people who say that a glaive would cut straight through an F-16. That is utter bogus. The glaive wurm would never even hit the F-16. How could a projectile launched by muscular spasms with no lock on hit a supersonic jet? It can't. It's hard to hit a supersonic jet even with missiles and you are talking about a piece of bone for christ's sake. And how fast would mutas fly realistically? Mutas are not aerodynamic at all, they are like worms with wings. If they can somehow reach say 200 mph, that is already unreal. And that's not even a third of the speed of an F-16. The jet would jsut outmaneuver and pick off every singe muta. GlaveWurm is NOT a piece of bone, get your facts straight. | ||
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