EPTTL.net Attack! (Episode 1, 02/24) - Page 15
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
On February 25 2008 20:43 pachi wrote: The viewing audience has no criticism or ideas for future shows? Like I mentioned, I think it sucks that the commentators have their hands tied (so to speak) when talking. The Star player should at least close the stream during the game and allow the commentators to comment. The Star player should be able to play a decent game even at a disadvantage, and the 300+ listeners (remember, lots of people had trouble with the stream and only got audio) would have something to listen to. It doesnt even need to be hard analysis or anything; it could just be a play-by-play kinda thing as the action unfolds (like "red doom drops in the protoss main, but teal responds with massive storms") or maybe quips and trivia about the player and so on. Thats probably what I feel is the biggest issue: commentators not talking enough. There were good laughs in there, but it felt too quiet, even with the game music turned on after the second game. Other little things: - I was irked when I see action going on in the mini-map, but the streaming was just clicking on buildings being built. Didnt happen too often, but that still bothers me. - inc's mic was too low. Not really an issue, in the future, Star players should check their equipment beforehand. Summary: - commentators need to talk more - obs/streamer, great job, keep up on the in-game action - star player, turn off stream but stay on vent, for less "dicking around" games overall, a great first episode though | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
That's the only way I can see it working, and it introduces some complications like us hitting the wrong button to talk to the wrong people. Maybe it's worthwhile testing, I'm not sure. | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
i don't think it'll be good to have him be able to talk to us and us not be able to talk to him, the banter between the hosts and the star player is one of the attractive things about the event | ||
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On February 26 2008 07:27 useless wrote: no, i said to stay on vent, so he can talk and comment whenever. just that his stream should be off so commentators can talk about the two players builds or whatnot He doesn't have the stream open, he is in Vent with us. You are talking about some magical filter where he can talk to us and we can't talk to him but we can still talk to Kennigit. While this filter may exist (like him locally muting us), what's even the point of havnig him talk then? And he doesn't even know if we're talking? He just randomly cuts in and talks over us? ... | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On February 26 2008 08:28 G5 wrote: how I think it should work is if you did it like battle.net attack and have the "gosu" player only show vission to you and then u can talk about the game freely with him and ask what hes thinking because you will only see what he sees/ Yeah, and this way I think the Star player would be able to give little hints, like Bisu's thing about zeal ratio and optimal strategies on Python. They wouldn't necessarily commentate the entire game but just say the stuff like "his timing is off here" or "fuck it im ending this now", while the commentators do what commentators do. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
On February 26 2008 07:23 Chill wrote: You have to remember that if the Star player is not on Vent we can't talk to him at all. Unless we are running Teamspeak AND Vent, one with him and one without, and use different talk-to-speak buttons for each. That's the only way I can see it working, and it introduces some complications like us hitting the wrong button to talk to the wrong people. Maybe it's worthwhile testing, I'm not sure. dumb question, why cant you have all 3 in vent? both the commentators and the star? just give the commentators vision of the star(or not, w/e u want to do)? You can record a vent convo, too btw, and overlay it onto a vod. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On February 26 2008 08:44 LumberJack wrote: dumb question, why cant you have all 3 in vent? both the commentators and the star? just give the commentators vision of the star(or not, w/e u want to do)? You can record a vent convo, too btw, and overlay it onto a vod. This is exactly what we currently do. The other poster wanted us to give full commentary without giving anything to either player, which is impossible if we also want to be able to have conversations with the star. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
 The torrent tracker gives me an error about a truncated file or something, so i cant dl the vods. I dont know why people are giving you shit then, to me thats the best way to do it. | ||
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waavves
United States188 Posts
On February 26 2008 12:16 LumberJack wrote: ah ok, see i told you it was a dumb question~! The torrent tracker gives me an error about a truncated file or something, so i cant dl the vods. I dont know why people are giving you shit then, to me thats the best way to do it.Try the alternate DL link. The first one didn't work for me either, but second worked fine! | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
This is exactly what we currently do. The other poster wanted us to give full commentary without giving anything to either player, which is impossible if we also want to be able to have conversations with the star. Open 2 instances of vent, and just have different hotkeys for each instance. You alluded to it before, but I just wanted to tell you that you don't need TS to make it work. Can work pretty easily. Used to use it for a few games, guild wars, dota, cs 1.6 etc. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
On February 26 2008 08:28 G5 wrote: how I think it should work is if you did it like battle.net attack and have the "gosu" player only show vission to you and then u can talk about the game freely with him and ask what hes thinking because you will only see what he sees/ This sounds like a good idea from the entertainment aspect because the "nubs" play will be a mystery and the viewers will see it just as the "gosu" does (it adds suspense because something could surprise the gosu and surprise the audience as well instead of the audience seeing everything in advance) and it also adds to the "educational" aspect because the viewer can see how the gosu scouts and reacts in response to what they scout and stuff like that. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
There were a lot of periods of silence and it lacked some flow. It'd be cool also if you put a big more emotion into the commentary. I know this can be tough for some, but a few of had very low and monotonous voices which was a bit  at times.It's a great concept though and it'll no doubt get better with time. Live casting games is hard so it should become easier the more you do it. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
1. the player gets a mic so we can banter better with him 2. the vision stuff gets resolved so we can get excited without revealing anything | ||
micronesia
United States24673 Posts
On February 26 2008 06:05 {88}iNcontroL wrote: only a temp ban for lake? Follow his posts.. the dude flames and is a bitch to these forums for the majority of his sub 200 posts.. make em go through the trouble of a new name rofl Haha I've been thinking this for like 1-2 pages already. The icing on the cake was when he said something like 'three fags on ventrillo and two idiots spamming each other, or something like that. My guess is, the mods were a bit worried (perhaps subconsciously) they would look like abusers if they banned the guy who claimed they were mistreating his ideas... but it would probably be 100% justified  Edit: I also agree that you should consider removing vision from the newbie player. This makes it more like bnet attack, save the fact that the announcers will still be using observer mode so to speak... but I think that's a reasonable change. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
With that said, I agree with the viewers not being able to see the "newb" player, but I'm not sure how you could do that. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On February 27 2008 02:39 micronesia wrote: Haha I've been thinking this for like 1-2 pages already. The icing on the cake was when he said something like 'three fags on ventrillo and two idiots spamming each other, or something like that. My guess is, the mods were a bit worried (perhaps subconsciously) they would look like abusers if they banned the guy who claimed they were mistreating his ideas... but it would probably be 100% justified No i just don't like perming. ;_; too nice. | ||
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micronesia
United States24673 Posts
On February 27 2008 02:43 rpf wrote: With that said, I agree with the viewers not being able to see the "newb" player, but I'm not sure how you could do that. Like I was mentioning earlier, you could do it the way bnet attack does it, meaning you look at the player's screen, rather than use ums. The only problem with that is, like someone mentioned earlier, you have to stare at like 350 apm. The alternative is to use ums like someone said earlier, and just tell the newbie to unvision, or even make a map which only gives vision for the skilled player... | ||
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