TL.net Attack! (Episode 1, 02/24)

On February 19 2008 03:31 Cascade wrote:
Sweet!

This is sunday 23.00 CET (central european time, germany etc) or 22.00 GMT. Please dont forget us european members.

On February 19 2008 03:34 Chill wrote:

Thanks! I didn't mean to exclude you I was just too dumb to do the conversion. I edited my post with this information.

To answer the other questions:
The stream will be a full video stream. I need to talk to R1CH to get the exact details, but I would assume it would be a VLC stream similar to his other streams. I believe it will have our audio embedded in it so you will only need one stream. I also asked if there can be a separate audio-only stream for people who cannot stream video and am waiting to hear back. Finally, the VODs should be saved and uploaded later with the commentary so you can watch past episodes at any time.

On February 19 2008 04:18 grobo wrote:
I wouldn't miss this for the world

On February 19 2008 06:20 Pads wrote:
fOrTT > Pads 2-0

On February 19 2008 06:42 Mandalor wrote:
So, the average newbie like me could play geoff or do I need skill to convince the staff? If so, I'm A on iccup.

ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I bet you it's some Teamliquid version of BNet Attack where gosus like Inc/Artosis/Nony etc. rape us chobos while Chill commentates.

On February 19 2008 08:43 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


First post, page 2.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=2&topic_id=66624

Ship it.

On February 19 2008 08:55 Chill wrote:


Yea thanks dick. Because of you I have to make some elaborate clue system that didn't make sense and went nowhere.

:D <3

On February 19 2008 04:00 goldenkrnboi wrote:
DAMMIT


now i wish i didn't give up gaming for lent. D:


seemed like an ok idea at the time.


now i deeply regret it. T_T

On February 21 2008 01:33 Chill wrote:
The "best play" could be similar to Jumper]i['s epic trouncing of FakeSteve with a pimp play.

On February 21 2008 02:56 ReiKo wrote:
Will there be a VOD's of this?

On February 21 2008 03:21 Kennigit wrote:

There will be replays and audio commentary. Not sure my or hotbid's comp could handle recording and streaming at the same time...we dont have a second comp for tv out yet.

On February 21 2008 03:34 Chill wrote:


Actually I can record it I think. Only thing is we'll have to wait 2-3 minutes between games while the video finishes encoding from Camtasia to avi.

On February 25 2008 03:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I cant wait to use queens / protoss ^_^

On February 25 2008 03:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I cant wait to use queens / protoss ^_^

On February 25 2008 05:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
if i show up i wanna play your zerg ok

On February 25 2008 06:00 slained wrote:
I hope something like bisu or something hosts a game.

On February 25 2008 06:38 Raithed wrote:
Camtasia is so horrible for viewing that unless you have a crazy tweak scheme, why not use Fraps?

On February 25 2008 06:57 Pwntrucci[sR] wrote:
Media player not working =/

On February 25 2008 07:00 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Stream not working in GOM or WMP for me using either URL so far.

edit: I wasted my 3000th post on this

On February 25 2008 07:02 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
technical problems with the sound, it'll be fixed soon and then the stream will be up

On February 25 2008 07:03 trollbone wrote:
plzz how u watch this ???

where do i have to paste the link ???

On February 25 2008 07:03 Try wrote:


Please tell us when its up, I don't want to have to repeatedly try every few seconds.

On February 25 2008 07:03 Try wrote:


Please tell us when its up, I don't want to have to repeatedly try every few seconds.

On February 25 2008 07:04 Nintu wrote:


Then you shouldn't have named your account "Try"....

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2008 07:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
everyone please sit tight, incontrol is powering up

On February 25 2008 07:06 Try wrote:


Lol, for some reason that gave me some funny imagery (I can see Incontrol working out and getting pumped up).

On February 25 2008 07:07 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Incontrol is powering up??

Over 9000?

On February 25 2008 07:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
everyone please sit tight, incontrol is powering up

On February 25 2008 07:04 Try wrote:


In the URL address, or just go to the top right and click on the link next to the calendar

On February 25 2008 07:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I've been curling 100lb weights

On February 25 2008 07:18 ToT)Incontrol( wrote:
Real inc. here. Some bastard hacked my account.

On February 25 2008 07:18 ToT)Incontrol( wrote:
Real inc. here. Some bastard hacked my account.

On February 25 2008 07:29 abomi.nation wrote:
is Inc's mic low for everyone?

On February 25 2008 06:39 Nintu wrote:


Crazy tweaked scheme?.. What on earth are you talking about?

On February 25 2008 07:43 Raithed wrote:
Damn thing doesn't work for me, CRAP.

On February 25 2008 07:47 BluzMan wrote:
Try watching the Media Player stream in GOM. Works for me.

On February 25 2008 07:36 R1CH wrote:
Stream Server #2, #1 is FULL

mms://kratos.r1hosting.com:8080/

For VLC:
mmsh://kratos.r1hosting.com:8080/

On February 25 2008 08:08 Luddite wrote:
Hmm I can hear it, but I can't see anything...

On February 25 2008 10:52 Danka wrote:
the torrent doesnt work for me... does it work for others?

On February 25 2008 10:59 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


use the alternative download link

On February 25 2008 12:12 ChessWhiz wrote:

It doesn't work for me, and I'm having trouble finding a download link. Help, please?

On February 25 2008 12:46 Chill wrote:
We suspected it was Intrigue, just like we knew it was Ret. Half the fun is convincing the pro who it isn't.

On February 25 2008 12:48 micronesia wrote:

Was all the "I don't think it was intrigue" after the game to fool incontrol... ?

On February 25 2008 13:48 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
LOL @ unreal micro and sick timing senses

On February 25 2008 16:14 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
how good is intrigue at tvz?

On February 25 2008 20:43 pachi wrote:
The viewing audience has no criticism or ideas for future shows?

On February 25 2008 20:43 pachi wrote:
The viewing audience has no criticism or ideas for future shows?

On February 25 2008 22:52 JoxxOr wrote:

FPVOD commentary instead of an observer?

I think the most lacking though in this TLAttack was the "no microphone" from Incontroll. IT would have been so much better if he had a mic

On February 25 2008 23:12 True_Spike wrote:
"But the only way as an obs to not give a huge advantage would be if they just had vision of the star player"

And that's the way it should be.

On February 26 2008 00:40 rpf wrote:
I didn't realize the games were meant to be so relaxed. I haven't seen the show TL Attack is based on, so I didn't quite get that.

I do have a couple of comments:

- Is it fair for both players to be listening to the streams? While I understand these aren't tournament games, it's still nice for the commentators to be able to say things other than ambiguous comments that don't give anything away to the other player. You can't really discuss certain nuances of the game. For example, I got on the stream just before FakeSteve/ret's timing attack, and someone noted that since both players were on the stream, it was difficult to talk about the games themselves. What's the point of commentators if you can't discuss the actual games?

- Players shouldn't be commentating. I used to do RWAs, and it's outstandingly difficult to both play and commentate. Adding commentary after the game has been played is great, but not during the game. It's next to impossible to pay attention to the game and comment simultaneously.

On February 26 2008 00:46 NonY[rC] wrote:
I think the mood of the show should adjust for the players. Some newbs want a chance at glory by winning a real game, some newbs are content with a win by cheating, and some newbs just want to be silly. The pros might feel like playing their best to show off their skill or they might offrace or do weird strategies or whatever. The hosts should recognize what kind of game is about to be played and then adjust for it. The newbs should be picked so that there is a variety of games so that the whole audience is satisfied.

Also, a microphone from the pro is pretty much a must. Inc ended up having a good episode without a mic but the quality of the show will definitely go up with a mic.

On February 26 2008 00:54 lololol wrote:
It's possible to delay the stream with 2-3 minutes, so the commentators are free to talk about the game, if people want it so much.

On February 26 2008 00:59 Chill wrote:


How would that work? "We're in channel "come"". 2-3 miuntes later people start joining? I mean we could make it work if need be, but I think people need to get over the fact that people are listening to the stream. That is a positive, not a negative. People can turn the stream off if they want, but it probably wouldn't affect what we said at all.

On February 26 2008 01:06 lake wrote:


why do you have to announce on the stream what channel you're in or going to?

If you want to be the SC equivalent of a horrible spike tv show thats cool but why do you ask for feedback if you're just gonna tell everyone how wrong they are and how great it is watching 2 people flounder arounding building 6 spires while fagtron5000 spams LOL EZ HOMO I could just hang out in x17 for that

On February 26 2008 00:53 Chill wrote:


Yea dude you're completely missing the point. Have you seen Pros vs Joes or a similar show involving "professionals" versus amatuers? They don't have live in-depth analysis during the games. What they do have is people trash talking and random banter.

On February 26 2008 01:17 lake wrote:
You could announce on the forums. There's a million alternatives but you're pretty set on the way things are so lets both pretend there aren't. Why do you have to pick a player from a bunch of spamming retards in the first place eludes me as well. LOL THIS GUYS NAME IS NIGGERBALLS, GAME HIM ASAP.

Second 1 good player vs 1 baddish player who wants to be good is not the same as liquibition or replays that are all over the place no matter what form it's presented in

Seriously youre so adamant about the way you want it you aren't even maknig sense when refuting my suggestions. The mere fact that you have to sit here and refute suggestions on improving the show that you asked for is telling enough about how receptive you are to criticism.

On February 26 2008 03:59 ATeddyBear wrote:
and tomfoolery

also learn more about ur damn community. you could've had JUMPER on! (the kid that drove a tour bus over fakesteve during TL race wars)

On February 26 2008 05:14 True_Spike wrote:
"Since both pro and player are on the stream, anything we say about either player is heard. There is no way to make it a "fair" game. That's the entire point of this event! Why would you want to watch half a game? The idea is a fun event, not competitive play."

I think that this show should concentrate on the "star" player rather than the game itself. Like you said, it's not supposed to be fair - but only the "star" player is supposed to be at an disadvantage; it doesn't make any sense when you make it even easier for that "gosu" to crush his opponents, he's supposed to be doing that without any help at all and handicapped - because he's *that* good.
Most of the commentary has nothing to do with the game itself anyway, so "watching half of it", as you said, won't really be a problem. I actually think it would be more fun this way, since you could elaborate on the guest player's play, his build orders (as crazy as they are) and whatever he's doing on right now - making it much harder for him (as his opponent might be listening to the stream) and therefore, more fun for the spectators - as the entire show is much less predictable.

Also, don't get me wrong, even if the games were played for fun using silly build orders most of them were just bad. It would all look a lot more fun if we wouldnt be able to see how much the players chosen to play the "star" suck I think that would give an illusion of skill, in some cases, as we couldn't see any idle scv's, messed up build orders and so on.

And if they don't suck - lack of their vision would make the game look more dramatic. Dropships, rushes, sunken brakes - nobody could anticipate that coming, it would always be a huge surprise to both the star player and the spectators. Every single game incontrol played would look a 100x better if we didn't have vision of his opponent and everything was concentrated on his play only.

I *do* understand that show is all about fun and I *do* think that lack of the guest player opponent's vision would make it much, much more fun as everything would be completely unpredictable.

On February 26 2008 05:18 Chill wrote:


Interesting. We'll think about it.