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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-23 21:03:42
February 23 2008 21:02 GMT
#81
All the mice the programmers use are like 10 bucks mice so just pick out a small ass optical mouse that is sold in korea and a progammer maybe uses it
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G9 its ugly as hell but its wide and if you have big hands like me youll like the fact its wide and short. Of course i tend to use its 7 buttons for macro settings in programs over games but its just confortable for me.

Best yet it sells in america!
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
LastlinG
Profile Joined August 2006
Poland26 Posts
February 23 2008 21:42 GMT
#82
i love my ktec 6500pro as far as i know Reach used ktec 3350.
...make sure you have expert timing -_-y
ZergZoul
Profile Joined April 2007
Mexico408 Posts
February 23 2008 22:06 GMT
#83
On February 23 2008 05:46 AdamBanks wrote:
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Best ever?

Koreans would still own us with that T_T
eugen1225
Profile Joined February 2008
Yugoslavia134 Posts
February 23 2008 22:08 GMT
#84
This is my first time posting on these forums, mostly because i didn't find it relevant to enter pointless discussions with ppl stating things based purely on their gut feeling.
However this time i feel that my knowledge about this particular topic can put some light on the MOUSE subject, and explain some things that I'm sure most of you don't know.

To understand why these Starcraft pro gamers use outdated mice, we first need to understand how mice work, and why different mice produce different movements on the screen and same sensitivity setups.

DPI this is translated as "Dots per Inch". It basically means how many dots a mouse cursor will move if the mouse is moved for one (1) inch (1 inch = 2.53 cm) on a surface (a mouse pad for example).

Sensitivity filters - the mouse signal can be amplified and changed so that the distance traversed on the screen increases or decreases (simply put you can increase or decrease the sensitivity of the mouse in windows, and thrue special mouse drivers). However if we set the sensitivity in control panel to the 5th scale (the middle) and turn off the Enhanced pointer precision (acceleration), the mouse input we get is the pure mouse movement unchanged by artificial filters.

To better understand these 2 things lets move on to examples.

If for example we have a screen resolution of 800x600 and we have a Logitech mx300 mouse (800 DPI), and sensitivity filters are off, by moving the mouse for 1 inch we will move the cursor from one end of the screen to the other. If we want to achieve the same effect in a resolution of 1280x1024 (standard 19" LCD resolution) we would have to increase the sensitivity of the mouse VIA filters or increase the DPI of the mouse. A 1600 DPI mouse will cover this LCD screen in a movement that is less than 1 inch, in order for my logitech mx300 to achieve the same effect (remember he has 800 DPI), i would need to double his sensitivity in the windows sensitivity fileter (mouse setup in control panel) by moving the pointer speed from the middle to the far right (100% bonus speed increase), but lose precision in the process.

Now that we understand how DPI affects sensitivity we can conclude how this affects Starcraft and why some people say Razer mice or some other logitech hihg DPI mice are not good(this however not being true).

Starcraft uses a 640x480 screen resolution, by using an old 800 DPI mouse with sens unfiltered by windows you will get a middle to higher speed sensitivity that is very nice for use in starcraft (less than almost 1 inch of movement covers the whole screen). If we use a 2000 DPi mouse the default sensitivity will be very big and the game would be unplayable by most players unless they reduce the sens via the windows filter. However almost all mice that have over 1600 DPI also have an option to reduce the DPI to 800 or 400 so you don't have to artificially lower it via the windows filter. If u use unfiltered sensitivity, the mouse movement is more accurate and also it is 99% the same on any computer you go and plug in your mouse (very useful for LANs and Tourneys).

Lets look at higher resolutions now. If we play a game in 1280x1024, if i want to achieve the same sensitivity feel like i have in SC (640x480) i will have to almost double my sensitivity in windows (and in the process lose a lot of precision) or get a mouse with higher DPI.

Also, keep in mind, when SC2 comes out, the resolution you play in won't be 640x480, it will be higher, and if you use an outdated mouse you will most likely be unable to use the same sensitivity you used in SC.

If you read all of the above and understood it, you now know why SC progamers use outdated mice. Its basically because SC is an outdated program (technically, not the gameplay), and not because the new high end mice are no good, they just don't need them, they don't help them.

I own a logitech white pilot mouse (400 DPI), a mx 300 (800 DPI), inteli explorer 3.0 (800) DPI, logitech dual optical (iirc 800 DPI), and a Razer Copperhead (2000 DPI-adjustable to 400,800,1600 and 2000). I have played Q3, CS, and war3 on tourneys with some of them. Regarding SC, if i set Copperheads DPI to 800, the sensitivity is almost the same as on the logitech mx300, and the precision is almost the same.

When choosing a mouse, it is important to know what you will be using for, and how versatile it is.
Also looks also matter. To some more, to some less, but its always nice to have a cool looking mouse. If you use Logitech G1 to play SC, you like its design, it fits your hand, the G5 (2000DPI laser) will do all that and more, in SC you just lower its DPI, and if you play something else you wont have a garbage mouse that is only excellent in SC.

There is also mouse design, most RTS players use symmetrical mice, although this is not a rule set in stone. just chose the mouse that you feel is most comfortable in your hand and fits your grip style (Palm or Finger grips).

Hope this sheds some light on the "GAMING MOUSE" subject.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51441 Posts
February 23 2008 22:40 GMT
#85
I hate how people think 'oh, a progamer uses that mouse, that will make me good!'.

For god sakes, a good mouse is one that is good for you.
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Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
March 08 2010 05:26 GMT
#86
I feel like such an idiot. I just went out and bought a really nice mouse for sc2, only to find that boxer and nalra use a ball mouse.
Haha delusions of grandeur. A mouse will not make me better at sc /-:
Every sunday a nun lays from my gunplay
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
March 08 2010 05:44 GMT
#87
Nice bump haha. But I think since SC2 has a higher resolution, higher dpi might help *a bit*. Hopefully my G1 will still be good enough.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
andeh
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States904 Posts
March 08 2010 06:02 GMT
#88
preference
Jlab
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States217 Posts
March 28 2010 03:14 GMT
#89
On February 24 2008 07:08 eugen1225 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
This is my first time posting on these forums, mostly because i didn't find it relevant to enter pointless discussions with ppl stating things based purely on their gut feeling.
However this time i feel that my knowledge about this particular topic can put some light on the MOUSE subject, and explain some things that I'm sure most of you don't know.

To understand why these Starcraft pro gamers use outdated mice, we first need to understand how mice work, and why different mice produce different movements on the screen and same sensitivity setups.

DPI this is translated as "Dots per Inch". It basically means how many dots a mouse cursor will move if the mouse is moved for one (1) inch (1 inch = 2.53 cm) on a surface (a mouse pad for example).

Sensitivity filters - the mouse signal can be amplified and changed so that the distance traversed on the screen increases or decreases (simply put you can increase or decrease the sensitivity of the mouse in windows, and thrue special mouse drivers). However if we set the sensitivity in control panel to the 5th scale (the middle) and turn off the Enhanced pointer precision (acceleration), the mouse input we get is the pure mouse movement unchanged by artificial filters.

To better understand these 2 things lets move on to examples.

If for example we have a screen resolution of 800x600 and we have a Logitech mx300 mouse (800 DPI), and sensitivity filters are off, by moving the mouse for 1 inch we will move the cursor from one end of the screen to the other. If we want to achieve the same effect in a resolution of 1280x1024 (standard 19" LCD resolution) we would have to increase the sensitivity of the mouse VIA filters or increase the DPI of the mouse. A 1600 DPI mouse will cover this LCD screen in a movement that is less than 1 inch, in order for my logitech mx300 to achieve the same effect (remember he has 800 DPI), i would need to double his sensitivity in the windows sensitivity fileter (mouse setup in control panel) by moving the pointer speed from the middle to the far right (100% bonus speed increase), but lose precision in the process.

Now that we understand how DPI affects sensitivity we can conclude how this affects Starcraft and why some people say Razer mice or some other logitech hihg DPI mice are not good(this however not being true).

Starcraft uses a 640x480 screen resolution, by using an old 800 DPI mouse with sens unfiltered by windows you will get a middle to higher speed sensitivity that is very nice for use in starcraft (less than almost 1 inch of movement covers the whole screen). If we use a 2000 DPi mouse the default sensitivity will be very big and the game would be unplayable by most players unless they reduce the sens via the windows filter. However almost all mice that have over 1600 DPI also have an option to reduce the DPI to 800 or 400 so you don't have to artificially lower it via the windows filter. If u use unfiltered sensitivity, the mouse movement is more accurate and also it is 99% the same on any computer you go and plug in your mouse (very useful for LANs and Tourneys).

Lets look at higher resolutions now. If we play a game in 1280x1024, if i want to achieve the same sensitivity feel like i have in SC (640x480) i will have to almost double my sensitivity in windows (and in the process lose a lot of precision) or get a mouse with higher DPI.

Also, keep in mind, when SC2 comes out, the resolution you play in won't be 640x480, it will be higher, and if you use an outdated mouse you will most likely be unable to use the same sensitivity you used in SC.

If you read all of the above and understood it, you now know why SC progamers use outdated mice. Its basically because SC is an outdated program (technically, not the gameplay), and not because the new high end mice are no good, they just don't need them, they don't help them.

I own a logitech white pilot mouse (400 DPI), a mx 300 (800 DPI), inteli explorer 3.0 (800) DPI, logitech dual optical (iirc 800 DPI), and a Razer Copperhead (2000 DPI-adjustable to 400,800,1600 and 2000). I have played Q3, CS, and war3 on tourneys with some of them. Regarding SC, if i set Copperheads DPI to 800, the sensitivity is almost the same as on the logitech mx300, and the precision is almost the same.

When choosing a mouse, it is important to know what you will be using for, and how versatile it is.
Also looks also matter. To some more, to some less, but its always nice to have a cool looking mouse. If you use Logitech G1 to play SC, you like its design, it fits your hand, the G5 (2000DPI laser) will do all that and more, in SC you just lower its DPI, and if you play something else you wont have a garbage mouse that is only excellent in SC.

There is also mouse design, most RTS players use symmetrical mice, although this is not a rule set in stone. just chose the mouse that you feel is most comfortable in your hand and fits your grip style (Palm or Finger grips).

Hope this sheds some light on the "GAMING MOUSE" subject.


Thank you for finally explaining what nobody else has, i'd been wondering why they use those mice and i have a diamondback 3G. I was wondering if i should have gotten a G1 or something, so i should use my crappy logitech mouse.
:D
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 28 2010 03:39 GMT
#90
On March 28 2010 12:14 Jlab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2008 07:08 eugen1225 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
This is my first time posting on these forums, mostly because i didn't find it relevant to enter pointless discussions with ppl stating things based purely on their gut feeling.
However this time i feel that my knowledge about this particular topic can put some light on the MOUSE subject, and explain some things that I'm sure most of you don't know.

To understand why these Starcraft pro gamers use outdated mice, we first need to understand how mice work, and why different mice produce different movements on the screen and same sensitivity setups.

DPI this is translated as "Dots per Inch". It basically means how many dots a mouse cursor will move if the mouse is moved for one (1) inch (1 inch = 2.53 cm) on a surface (a mouse pad for example)

Sensitivity filters - the mouse signal can be amplified and changed so that the distance traversed on the screen increases or decreases (simply put you can increase or decrease the sensitivity of the mouse in windows, and thrue special mouse drivers). However if we set the sensitivity in control panel to the 5th scale (the middle) and turn off the Enhanced pointer precision (acceleration), the mouse input we get is the pure mouse movement unchanged by artificial filters.

To better understand these 2 things lets move on to examples.

If for example we have a screen resolution of 800x600 and we have a Logitech mx300 mouse (800 DPI), and sensitivity filters are off, by moving the mouse for 1 inch we will move the cursor from one end of the screen to the other. If we want to achieve the same effect in a resolution of 1280x1024 (standard 19" LCD resolution) we would have to increase the sensitivity of the mouse VIA filters or increase the DPI of the mouse. A 1600 DPI mouse will cover this LCD screen in a movement that is less than 1 inch, in order for my logitech mx300 to achieve the same effect (remember he has 800 DPI), i would need to double his sensitivity in the windows sensitivity fileter (mouse setup in control panel) by moving the pointer speed from the middle to the far right (100% bonus speed increase), but lose precision in the process.

Now that we understand how DPI affects sensitivity we can conclude how this affects Starcraft and why some people say Razer mice or some other logitech hihg DPI mice are not good(this however not being true).

Starcraft uses a 640x480 screen resolution, by using an old 800 DPI mouse with sens unfiltered by windows you will get a middle to higher speed sensitivity that is very nice for use in starcraft (less than almost 1 inch of movement covers the whole screen). If we use a 2000 DPi mouse the default sensitivity will be very big and the game would be unplayable by most players unless they reduce the sens via the windows filter. However almost all mice that have over 1600 DPI also have an option to reduce the DPI to 800 or 400 so you don't have to artificially lower it via the windows filter. If u use unfiltered sensitivity, the mouse movement is more accurate and also it is 99% the same on any computer you go and plug in your mouse (very useful for LANs and Tourneys).

Lets look at higher resolutions now. If we play a game in 1280x1024, if i want to achieve the same sensitivity feel like i have in SC (640x480) i will have to almost double my sensitivity in windows (and in the process lose a lot of precision) or get a mouse with higher DPI.

Also, keep in mind, when SC2 comes out, the resolution you play in won't be 640x480, it will be higher, and if you use an outdated mouse you will most likely be unable to use the same sensitivity you used in SC.

If you read all of the above and understood it, you now know why SC progamers use outdated mice. Its basically because SC is an outdated program (technically, not the gameplay), and not because the new high end mice are no good, they just don't need them, they don't help them.

I own a logitech white pilot mouse (400 DPI), a mx 300 (800 DPI), inteli explorer 3.0 (800) DPI, logitech dual optical (iirc 800 DPI), and a Razer Copperhead (2000 DPI-adjustable to 400,800,1600 and 2000). I have played Q3, CS, and war3 on tourneys with some of them. Regarding SC, if i set Copperheads DPI to 800, the sensitivity is almost the same as on the logitech mx300, and the precision is almost the same.

When choosing a mouse, it is important to know what you will be using for, and how versatile it is.
Also looks also matter. To some more, to some less, but its always nice to have a cool looking mouse. If you use Logitech G1 to play SC, you like its design, it fits your hand, the G5 (2000DPI laser) will do all that and more, in SC you just lower its DPI, and if you play something else you wont have a garbage mouse that is only excellent in SC.

There is also mouse design, most RTS players use symmetrical mice, although this is not a rule set in stone. just chose the mouse that you feel is most comfortable in your hand and fits your grip style (Palm or Finger grips).

Hope this sheds some light on the "GAMING MOUSE" subject.


Thank you for finally explaining what nobody else has, i'd been wondering why they use those mice and i have a diamondback 3G. I was wondering if i should have gotten a G1 or something, so i should use my crappy logitech mouse.
:D

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StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
March 28 2010 04:59 GMT
#91
shitty microsoft mouse here
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
March 28 2010 05:20 GMT
#92
I use a 3000 DPI Razer mouse on a control styled mousepad I like the ability to adjust the sensitivity in game.
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