EPTFlaSh allegedly returning to StarCraft - Page 5
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On June 23 2024 18:06 Salazarz wrote: @NoobSkills, if 'grown adults' weren't 'susceptible to marketing strategies' then advertisement wouldn't even exist as a concept. Of course grown adults are susceptible to marketing strategies, that's the whole reason marketing is a thing. Something like a trillion dollars is spent directly on advertisement every year, and that doesn't even include a lot of advertisement-adjacent things. Whether you like it or not, public figures with a following have a big influence on decisions made by their fans. Silly to pretend otherwise. Marketing for an item alerts the individual to it's existence. It doesn't suddenly force that individual to buy. Each and every one of those "investors" also saw countless advertisements for cars, trucks, vacations, boats etc etc and they didn't go buy those on a whim. Why didn't they buy that 200k car they saw advertised years before that they loved, but instead chose to "invest" 200k into crpyto? The truth is they're gamblers who were going to gamble anyway. On June 23 2024 18:12 WombaT wrote: But Flash actually hocked this coin? Personally, while not exactly being transparent on many things Versus this alternate reality where Hot6 causes cancer and uses slave labour. Which isn’t exactly equivalent anyway as sponsoring something players are doing isn’t the same as personally selling snake oil You’re doing the old ‘well nothing is 100% ethical so why bother?’ thing, and Flash seems to bear zero responsibility but anyone who invested is an idiot who should have done their due diligence according to you I thought that a couple things said he didn't sell? Regardless either way if he did is that really his responsibility to alert people to what he does with his finances? And why does he NEED to be transparent with his financials or if he was a sort of "startup" investor in the coin? Nobody else worldwide is under any sort of obligation to do so are they? And yes I agree the hot6 comparison isn't fully accurate but I cannot find specifically the same scenario existing, but in that situation there is the same monetary implications. Where hot6 the brand was manipulating stock prices to screw people and capitalizing on inside information. But regardless the person participating in the advertising campaign also would have had no clue. And if he sold just to sell long before any issues were known about of which he had no idea they even existed I'm not sure how you can leap to blame that individual, instead of the scammer themself and the company. I'm not doing any old bit. I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he did as an individual. Nothing unethical, illegal, or morally. If he knew the coin was a scam, if he pretended like it couldn't fail, if he said to the moon, etc etc I could see you point but that isn't the case right? And yes, in the certain circumstance of a crypto or a NFT or any weird meme type of investment you're literally gambling with any single one of them. If you didn't do any sort of independent research about it before spending your hard earned money that is indeed on you, especially in the sense that it exists no where. I seriously still don't get how anyone can hold him ethically responsible for others individual choices, ESPECIALLY in the scenario where he knew of no wrong doing and honestly wasn't even that good of a salesmen from his own words. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10252 Posts
I don't particularly have a side in this, I just want to see my favorite player return and play some good Starcraft, moral questions aside. But this line of argumentation from Noobskills is suspect at best. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On June 25 2024 00:55 FlaShFTW wrote: Comparing someone who is advertising some random product like gfuel, hot6, hell a car or whatever is not the same as advertising for a stock/crypto/etc where the intention of the advertisement is that it's going to be a pump and dump, or even in general, when financial advice is much more serious and held to a higher standard than simply advertising a consumer product. (The same goes for unsolicited legal advice by the way which is why lawyers are very careful when friends come asking for help or advice on a legal issue to not be giving them legal advice without an adequate relationship). Investments vs mere consumerism are not the same and should not be treated the same. Which is why there is more regulation placed upon our financial markets than there is in advertising any ordinary product. Key example is RoaringKitty/DFV and his GME saga (part 2 happening right now). I don't particularly have a side in this, I just want to see my favorite player return and play some good Starcraft, moral questions aside. But this line of argumentation from Noobskills is suspect at best. Anyone of those companies (though unlikely) could be doing some sort of pump/dump or stock manipulation tactic as well. Also it either goes one way or the other. Either the coin is equal to a stock or it is equal to a piece of inventory, but either way I still don't think someone hired by a company to promote the company is responsible for that company's actions when they knew nothing about it. As for one entity having more or less regulation I'm not sure I buy that one is clearly leading. As for the GME stock it is far more perverse of a situation than the one with Flash. | ||
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earob84
Germany175 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States721 Posts
On June 25 2024 18:58 earob84 wrote: Today our foreign warrior Dewalt matched FlaSh two times on ladder! That's so cool! | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
what happened? | ||
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prosatan
Romania8505 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
On June 25 2024 05:55 NoobSkills wrote: Anyone of those companies (though unlikely) could be doing some sort of pump/dump or stock manipulation tactic as well. Also it either goes one way or the other. Either the coin is equal to a stock or it is equal to a piece of inventory, but either way I still don't think someone hired by a company to promote the company is responsible for that company's actions when they knew nothing about it. As for one entity having more or less regulation I'm not sure I buy that one is clearly leading. As for the GME stock it is far more perverse of a situation than the one with Flash. (1) there's a difference between advertising a soda product where the company is shady behind closed doors vs advertising shadyness itself (2) don't advertise for things if you don't know what they are. especially financial/legal 'things'. you have a moral obligation to not be a jerk. Both of these are so obvious that its clear you're arguing in bad faith and I shouldn't take this trollbait, but oh my god man... | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On June 26 2024 03:31 Gescom wrote: (1) there's a difference between advertising a soda product where the company is shady behind closed doors vs advertising shadyness itself (2) don't advertise for things if you don't know what they are. especially financial/legal 'things'. you have a moral obligation to not be a jerk. Both of these are so obvious that its clear you're arguing in bad faith and I shouldn't take this trollbait, but oh my god man... 1. How would someone hired for a marketing campaign know that either company was shady? Be it the soda company or the coin company? Do you think that everyone who promotes hot6 knows ANYTHING about the company? Again they're just an example no issue with hot6. You said "advertising shadyness itself" but again if he didn't know, just like most hired marketing personal don't know, how would that fall under that categorization? 2. There are plenty of people advertising things they don't know what they are lmfao. Do you think everyone knows how that car is built? How that soda was made? How their intel/amd/razer/acer/asus/MSI etc piece of esports hardware was made? It is hilarious if you assume they do when I would venture almost none of them have any idea. The best part if your claim of bad faith lol. As if you holding him to a higher standard than anyone else who has been used in a marketing campaign is the only bad faith argument made in this post. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
But like I said before, this is the way to repent. Give back to the remaining fans who want to see the very top level StarCraft that only Flash can deliver. Better than hiding forever. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
It looks like a long way to go for him to be top1. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10252 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1060 Posts
On June 29 2024 03:07 FlaShFTW wrote: FlaSh learning and then optimizing the current TvP 5 fact meta is going to be so damn scary. so far he has been trying to brute force upgrade t. | ||
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prion_
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On June 29 2024 07:09 prion_ wrote: I don't really get what the point of arguing about whether what Flash did was wrong or not. It's not like he got banned from ASL or Afreeca. He made the decision to disappear on his own, nobody is punishing him. Just another point of discussion. No different than what you think his comeback will be like, or what you think of his current games that are available. On to that subject, I'm unsure how to analyze what flash is doing in these matches. I want to say I see him trying to regain his ability before mastering strategy, but why not just copy a meta build and stick to that mainly? Would give you longer games and more time to practice in a larger setting. Though also I think maybe his micro and APM dedication are off in the early game and that might be what he is working on first, because I think that was a solid part of his foundation was early game perfection, followed by an unbreakable time period before he closed the map with overwhelming power of some type. I have noticed that he has been missing opportunities where split attention is a factor in some games. Or maybe not just opportunities, but changes to negate damage as well. On top of that his late game seems slower when he hits it. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5708 Posts
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tankgirl
Canada429 Posts
but does anyone have a link to a VOD from OSL/MSL where FlaSh is shown using his ruler to setup his keyboard? thanks | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On June 30 2024 09:54 tankgirl wrote: this is slightly off-topic but does anyone have a link to a VOD from OSL/MSL where FlaSh is shown using his ruler to setup his keyboard? thanks I guess? But that was easily googled........... | ||
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