On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
This isn't necessarily true. Same as with stocks. It could in theory always go up and up and up. And everyone who buys and later sells, sells at a win. However, if you pump and dump a coin or token (or do a rug pull), you will do so with the sole intent of making money off of people, by scamming them. Very much not okay, and not the same as making money off a legitimate coin or token.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
Well, but when you promote something to thousands of people, probably because you get paid for that, you maybe should inform yourself WHAT exactly you are promoting, and if you can't figure it out, maybe don't do it. Flash has a lot of fans that look up to him - and he knows that, he is famous for a long time now - so of course he has a responsibility to those fans. And, if he doesn't acknowledge that, it costs him money, too. I am not saying he should be further punished or he should not come back. But to say it was just some sort of bad luck is also not right in my eyes.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
he built up creditiblity from before as "crypto-guru" as he was pretty famous for making bank off of crypto investment among afreeca influencer sphere and people were actively seeking his advice.
IMO, I think his ego ballooned up way too hard and led to that incident. He probably thought he had magic midas touch.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
This is completed different case here. Your example is not related to this issue. Let say JD took sponsored from hot6 and help promote the drink. There is nothing wrong here unless JD also has hot6 shares than we have a case here.
If JD knew about hot6 related death and still take sponsors from them than that his choice to ruin his own image.
Flash has invested himself in the COIN and promote them even if he knew its fake or real. The more people buy the more money in his return because his early buyer. It look more like the pyramid scheme.
u don't forget starcraft that easily. U spend awfully many years on this game, and getting good at it is basically a matter of getting mechanics back, and a little bit of meta understanding. 3 months and he is in top4 of spongames.
On June 21 2024 06:28 jinjin5000 wrote: I'm pretty surrpised by amount of people who picked flash won't be as dominant
This is exact same argument we saw before he returned if he can really keep up with likes of Bisu and "new meta".
If his was Zerg or Protoss than it will be questionable? There is something about Terran that once you have it, it will stick with you. Look at Mind came back for short period of time and his an ASL finales. Fantasy retired from SC2 in a few months he took down JD and Bisu. TY 2nd tried already in ASL Ro24 and he were on SC2 and BW.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
he built up creditiblity from before as "crypto-guru" as he was pretty famous for making bank off of crypto investment among afreeca influencer sphere and people were actively seeking his advice.
IMO, I think his ego ballooned up way too hard and led to that incident. He probably thought he had magic midas touch.
Both videos it looks like he was downplaying his gains in crypto. Imagine investing off rumors about a guy making bank that weren't even claimed by that person, and then being mad at that person. And I get that he advertised the company, but that doesn't make him responsible for the company's shady actions unless he knew about them which doesn't seem to be what people are claiming. Are all pros responsible for the actions of their sponsors because grown adults can't think for themselves? If I were to tell you I once lived falling off the edge of a cliff but that I don't recommend it, should I be blamed because you want to see if you can do it too?
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
This is completed different case here. Your example is not related to this issue. Let say JD took sponsored from hot6 and help promote the drink. There is nothing wrong here unless JD also has hot6 shares than we have a case here.
If JD knew about hot6 related death and still take sponsors from them than that his choice to ruin his own image.
Flash has invested himself in the COIN and promote them even if he knew its fake or real. The more people buy the more money in his return because his early buyer. It look more like the pyramid scheme.
How does JD investing in hot6 or not maky any difference? Even if he makes money or loses money off that investment it changes nothing. There also isn't a "case" because nothing illegal was done right? I'm not sure about Korean law, but I don't think he is in legal trouble? This is seemingly about adults who made a bad choice looking for someone else to blame rather than admitting they made the mistake.
Meanwhile I'd argue different about the latter. If he KNEW hot6 was killing their customers, and was going to captialize on the rise and then the short sale I'd say there is an actual issue. It isn't about ruining his own image, but using insider information to rip off consumers.
As for Flash investing in the product that sponsors him wdym? You're saying that none of the pros in korea have any stock in any of the companies that support them or their team? Early adopter or not makes no difference either. If I bought a bunch of intel stock when I was 16 and then got a job promoting intel when I was 18 is that suddenly a crime? It makes no sense logically to me for it to be considered even negatively.
On June 21 2024 06:28 jinjin5000 wrote: I'm pretty surrpised by amount of people who picked flash won't be as dominant
This is exact same argument we saw before he returned if he can really keep up with likes of Bisu and "new meta".
I think Flash will be as good as he wants to be. But I have no clue how serious he is going to take it. From the VODs it looks like his wrist is doing fine though. I think people doubt the old age, but just because most props decide to take it easier later on in life, doesn't mean if they weren't to give it the same effort they had earlier in life they wouldn't be as good. Also considering the lack of depth in the talent pool and the overall degradation of talent since the KESPA days he is certainly going to get plenty of shots to do very well. Sure the meta might have changed and MIGHT have even "improved" but individuals are not as masterful at the new meta as they had to be in the pervious one. I don't doubt for a second flash could master this one and have no issues bar wrist issues or something crazy happening.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
Well, but when you promote something to thousands of people, probably because you get paid for that, you maybe should inform yourself WHAT exactly you are promoting, and if you can't figure it out, maybe don't do it. Flash has a lot of fans that look up to him - and he knows that, he is famous for a long time now - so of course he has a responsibility to those fans. And, if he doesn't acknowledge that, it costs him money, too. I am not saying he should be further punished or he should not come back. But to say it was just some sort of bad luck is also not right in my eyes.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
Well, but when you promote something to thousands of people, probably because you get paid for that, you maybe should inform yourself WHAT exactly you are promoting, and if you can't figure it out, maybe don't do it. Flash has a lot of fans that look up to him - and he knows that, he is famous for a long time now - so of course he has a responsibility to those fans. And, if he doesn't acknowledge that, it costs him money, too. I am not saying he should be further punished or he should not come back. But to say it was just some sort of bad luck is also not right in my eyes.
100% this essentially
Are yall serious? Let's say it comes out that hot6 is AWFUL for your health like far worse than any energy drink. Would the pros who were sponsored by them be in trouble because they promoted it? How about if the hot6 CEO sexually harassed employees? How about if hot6 the company employed slave labor? Or how about if hot6 was publicly traded and they cashed out knowing all that info above was going to come out and destroy their stock price?
How TF is a professional gamer, supposed to understand every aspect of every sponsor and be held liable for the shady dealings of others? And this one is even trickier because you're essentially saying he has to become a math, economic, business, crypto expert and somehow do detective work to figure out that the sponsorship is for a fake coin?
That is honestly IMO fucking unreasonable. Are people not responsible for their own actions? Not even to mention even LEGIT actual coins have had MASSIVE failures. What if that coin was legit and just bombed out to be worth a penny? Is it his fault then too when the price drops even though nobody did anything wrong and everyone lost money? I feel like this is just people trying to look for a weak cop out for their own actions and decisions, ESPECIALLY considering the insane risk/reward spectrum of meme internet currency such as a digital coin or NFT. If as an adult with any sort of normal IQ you can't figure out not only are those products unreliable but potentially scam heavy and unregulated. But also cannot manage your own risk and rely on the "investment" advice of an internet pro gaming celebrity that just seems childish and moronic and you only have yourself to blame.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
he built up creditiblity from before as "crypto-guru" as he was pretty famous for making bank off of crypto investment among afreeca influencer sphere and people were actively seeking his advice.
IMO, I think his ego ballooned up way too hard and led to that incident. He probably thought he had magic midas touch.
Both videos it looks like he was downplaying his gains in crypto. Imagine investing off rumors about a guy making bank that weren't even claimed by that person, and then being mad at that person. And I get that he advertised the company, but that doesn't make him responsible for the company's shady actions unless he knew about them which doesn't seem to be what people are claiming. Are all pros responsible for the actions of their sponsors because grown adults can't think for themselves? If I were to tell you I once lived falling off the edge of a cliff but that I don't recommend it, should I be blamed because you want to see if you can do it too?
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
This is completed different case here. Your example is not related to this issue. Let say JD took sponsored from hot6 and help promote the drink. There is nothing wrong here unless JD also has hot6 shares than we have a case here.
If JD knew about hot6 related death and still take sponsors from them than that his choice to ruin his own image.
Flash has invested himself in the COIN and promote them even if he knew its fake or real. The more people buy the more money in his return because his early buyer. It look more like the pyramid scheme.
How does JD investing in hot6 or not maky any difference? Even if he makes money or loses money off that investment it changes nothing. There also isn't a "case" because nothing illegal was done right? I'm not sure about Korean law, but I don't think he is in legal trouble? This is seemingly about adults who made a bad choice looking for someone else to blame rather than admitting they made the mistake.
Meanwhile I'd argue different about the latter. If he KNEW hot6 was killing their customers, and was going to captialize on the rise and then the short sale I'd say there is an actual issue. It isn't about ruining his own image, but using insider information to rip off consumers.
As for Flash investing in the product that sponsors him wdym? You're saying that none of the pros in korea have any stock in any of the companies that support them or their team? Early adopter or not makes no difference either. If I bought a bunch of intel stock when I was 16 and then got a job promoting intel when I was 18 is that suddenly a crime? It makes no sense logically to me for it to be considered even negatively.
if you look at it very cynically, flash was intending to leverage his reputation as crypto investing g0d to promote a cryptocurrency that he was heavily involved in having stakes of, without reaving that aspect.
I think it's bit too cynical to look at, since FlaSh has way too much to lose in terms of image he had built up for decades when he already made loads, but you can't act like that when you've marketed yourself as mr.starcraft goodey-two-shoes.
People love tearing someone down when it goes against their image and flash pretty much did exact opposite of expected.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
he built up creditiblity from before as "crypto-guru" as he was pretty famous for making bank off of crypto investment among afreeca influencer sphere and people were actively seeking his advice.
IMO, I think his ego ballooned up way too hard and led to that incident. He probably thought he had magic midas touch.
Both videos it looks like he was downplaying his gains in crypto. Imagine investing off rumors about a guy making bank that weren't even claimed by that person, and then being mad at that person. And I get that he advertised the company, but that doesn't make him responsible for the company's shady actions unless he knew about them which doesn't seem to be what people are claiming. Are all pros responsible for the actions of their sponsors because grown adults can't think for themselves? If I were to tell you I once lived falling off the edge of a cliff but that I don't recommend it, should I be blamed because you want to see if you can do it too?
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
This is completed different case here. Your example is not related to this issue. Let say JD took sponsored from hot6 and help promote the drink. There is nothing wrong here unless JD also has hot6 shares than we have a case here.
If JD knew about hot6 related death and still take sponsors from them than that his choice to ruin his own image.
Flash has invested himself in the COIN and promote them even if he knew its fake or real. The more people buy the more money in his return because his early buyer. It look more like the pyramid scheme.
How does JD investing in hot6 or not maky any difference? Even if he makes money or loses money off that investment it changes nothing. There also isn't a "case" because nothing illegal was done right? I'm not sure about Korean law, but I don't think he is in legal trouble? This is seemingly about adults who made a bad choice looking for someone else to blame rather than admitting they made the mistake.
Meanwhile I'd argue different about the latter. If he KNEW hot6 was killing their customers, and was going to captialize on the rise and then the short sale I'd say there is an actual issue. It isn't about ruining his own image, but using insider information to rip off consumers.
As for Flash investing in the product that sponsors him wdym? You're saying that none of the pros in korea have any stock in any of the companies that support them or their team? Early adopter or not makes no difference either. If I bought a bunch of intel stock when I was 16 and then got a job promoting intel when I was 18 is that suddenly a crime? It makes no sense logically to me for it to be considered even negatively.
Bro when I said JD has share meaning he owning X% of the company. Whatever the company makes a bad or unethical decision the owner takes fault. In here clearly flash is one of the biggest owner of the coin because the amount of money invested and early adopter.
You don't need to know Korea law that Flash has not broken any law or else be summons to trial and will be all over the Korean news.
WTF you talking about pros doesn't invest in any stock? come back to earth we talking about promoting a bad company and has ownership.
Your free to buy whatever stock at given anytime and work for that company. As long as you don't inside trading. eg) You over heard another coworker said there going be lawsuit against Intel and you dump all your share, yes this is a crime.
Regardless of whether Flash knowingly lead people to lose their money or not, people are free to believe what they want to believe. Even a small vocal minority can bring someone's image down, as very often, majority of society look for an answer based on what others say. Flash after being a streamer for a couple of years should understand such risks, but still decided to do the Flash-coin. Probably a bad decision, but that's just an unbased speculation on my part.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
he built up creditiblity from before as "crypto-guru" as he was pretty famous for making bank off of crypto investment among afreeca influencer sphere and people were actively seeking his advice.
IMO, I think his ego ballooned up way too hard and led to that incident. He probably thought he had magic midas touch.
Both videos it looks like he was downplaying his gains in crypto. Imagine investing off rumors about a guy making bank that weren't even claimed by that person, and then being mad at that person. And I get that he advertised the company, but that doesn't make him responsible for the company's shady actions unless he knew about them which doesn't seem to be what people are claiming. Are all pros responsible for the actions of their sponsors because grown adults can't think for themselves? If I were to tell you I once lived falling off the edge of a cliff but that I don't recommend it, should I be blamed because you want to see if you can do it too?
On June 21 2024 06:22 End1ess wrote:
On June 21 2024 04:19 NoobSkills wrote:
On June 20 2024 12:38 Mizenhauer wrote:
On June 20 2024 04:58 NoobSkills wrote:
On June 19 2024 06:24 KameZerg wrote:
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
This is completed different case here. Your example is not related to this issue. Let say JD took sponsored from hot6 and help promote the drink. There is nothing wrong here unless JD also has hot6 shares than we have a case here.
If JD knew about hot6 related death and still take sponsors from them than that his choice to ruin his own image.
Flash has invested himself in the COIN and promote them even if he knew its fake or real. The more people buy the more money in his return because his early buyer. It look more like the pyramid scheme.
How does JD investing in hot6 or not maky any difference? Even if he makes money or loses money off that investment it changes nothing. There also isn't a "case" because nothing illegal was done right? I'm not sure about Korean law, but I don't think he is in legal trouble? This is seemingly about adults who made a bad choice looking for someone else to blame rather than admitting they made the mistake.
Meanwhile I'd argue different about the latter. If he KNEW hot6 was killing their customers, and was going to captialize on the rise and then the short sale I'd say there is an actual issue. It isn't about ruining his own image, but using insider information to rip off consumers.
As for Flash investing in the product that sponsors him wdym? You're saying that none of the pros in korea have any stock in any of the companies that support them or their team? Early adopter or not makes no difference either. If I bought a bunch of intel stock when I was 16 and then got a job promoting intel when I was 18 is that suddenly a crime? It makes no sense logically to me for it to be considered even negatively.
if you look at it very cynically, flash was intending to leverage his reputation as crypto investing g0d to promote a cryptocurrency that he was heavily involved in having stakes of, without reaving that aspect.
I think it's bit too cynical to look at, since FlaSh has way too much to lose in terms of image he had built up for decades when he already made loads, but you can't act like that when you've marketed yourself as mr.starcraft goodey-two-shoes.
People love tearing someone down when it goes against their image and flash pretty much did exact opposite of expected.
Exactly. And like I doubt that flash's direct contribution from being sponsored by the cypto was that massive. Meanwhile it was the scammer mass marketing that made the biggest impact. Also anyone who thinks someone is a g0d at investing especially in terms of meme crypto or NFT BS then anyone and everyone can take from you. Also in every video linked he was downplaying what happened in several different ways. If I were to win the lotto tomorrow and then say I got lucky and it was all random, but I made an insane amount of cash, and even if I pose with that lottery company's big fake check, if someone goes out the next day and spends their life savings on it, that is on them. It doesn't even seem like he said anything shady (from everything linked/seen by me) in any way.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
he built up creditiblity from before as "crypto-guru" as he was pretty famous for making bank off of crypto investment among afreeca influencer sphere and people were actively seeking his advice.
IMO, I think his ego ballooned up way too hard and led to that incident. He probably thought he had magic midas touch.
Both videos it looks like he was downplaying his gains in crypto. Imagine investing off rumors about a guy making bank that weren't even claimed by that person, and then being mad at that person. And I get that he advertised the company, but that doesn't make him responsible for the company's shady actions unless he knew about them which doesn't seem to be what people are claiming. Are all pros responsible for the actions of their sponsors because grown adults can't think for themselves? If I were to tell you I once lived falling off the edge of a cliff but that I don't recommend it, should I be blamed because you want to see if you can do it too?
On June 21 2024 06:22 End1ess wrote:
On June 21 2024 04:19 NoobSkills wrote:
On June 20 2024 12:38 Mizenhauer wrote:
On June 20 2024 04:58 NoobSkills wrote:
On June 19 2024 06:24 KameZerg wrote:
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
This is completed different case here. Your example is not related to this issue. Let say JD took sponsored from hot6 and help promote the drink. There is nothing wrong here unless JD also has hot6 shares than we have a case here.
If JD knew about hot6 related death and still take sponsors from them than that his choice to ruin his own image.
Flash has invested himself in the COIN and promote them even if he knew its fake or real. The more people buy the more money in his return because his early buyer. It look more like the pyramid scheme.
How does JD investing in hot6 or not maky any difference? Even if he makes money or loses money off that investment it changes nothing. There also isn't a "case" because nothing illegal was done right? I'm not sure about Korean law, but I don't think he is in legal trouble? This is seemingly about adults who made a bad choice looking for someone else to blame rather than admitting they made the mistake.
Meanwhile I'd argue different about the latter. If he KNEW hot6 was killing their customers, and was going to captialize on the rise and then the short sale I'd say there is an actual issue. It isn't about ruining his own image, but using insider information to rip off consumers.
As for Flash investing in the product that sponsors him wdym? You're saying that none of the pros in korea have any stock in any of the companies that support them or their team? Early adopter or not makes no difference either. If I bought a bunch of intel stock when I was 16 and then got a job promoting intel when I was 18 is that suddenly a crime? It makes no sense logically to me for it to be considered even negatively.
Bro when I said JD has share meaning he owning X% of the company. Whatever the company makes a bad or unethical decision the owner takes fault. In here clearly flash is one of the biggest owner of the coin because the amount of money invested and early adopter.
You don't need to know Korea law that Flash has not broken any law or else be summons to trial and will be all over the Korean news.
WTF you talking about pros doesn't invest in any stock? come back to earth we talking about promoting a bad company and has ownership.
Your free to buy whatever stock at given anytime and work for that company. As long as you don't inside trading. eg) You over heard another coworker said there going be lawsuit against Intel and you dump all your share, yes this is a crime.
Then you'd be comparing two different things. Flash making money off a crypto is FAR more equivalent to someone owning stock in a company, rather than having an actual ownership share. Someone with an actual ownership share ALSO could be a silent partner and not know anything about the company, but that conversation only distracts from the point. The COMPANY and the actual owner/operators should take the blame. However I didn't see anywhere where it said flash actually owned anything other than the coin itself. It doesn't matter how much or little of the coin he had, he is an end user, not an owner operator.
I think the rest of your statement indicates that what I said either went over your head, or I explained it poorly. My point wasn't that pros don't own stocks. It was in response to this.
"This is completed different case here. Your example is not related to this issue. Let say JD took sponsored from hot6 and help promote the drink. There is nothing wrong here unless JD also has hot6 shares than we have a case here." that is what you said.
How would there be anything different with JD owning hot6 stock vs flash owning some crpyto. They've both investments, even while one is a meme they don't own the entity itself, they're not the CEOs of those companies. They're not responsible for their actions. But either company could do some awful stuff but those individuals wouldn't be knowledgeable of it. I think what you're confusing is that you somehow think that owning a crpyto coin is somehow ownership of the company that created it or manages it when that simply isn't the case. Now if you have evidence where that isn't what happened I'd gladly read the article or watch the video, but NOTHING linked in this thread even hints at that.
On June 19 2024 03:05 ThunderJunk wrote: Crypto is funny. If one person is making money off of it that means someone else is losing money off of it. But people all act like they've been morally wronged when they end up on the unfortunate side.
Anyways... I'm personally hyped to see what happens with Flash returning. He's the GOAT, but he's also a little older now. I still put him as my favorite to win any given tournament, but where before I was like 65% expecting him to win, now I'm like 35% expecting him to win. There's a lot of stiff competition and PvT has evolved quite a lot in his absence.
But it's still by definition a scam, it's only purpose was to bring in enough people to later dump it and runoff with their money and he shilled it to his viewers. One person making money and one losing money applies to all trading including stocks, but not all stocks are scams.
I don't know man, anyone who fell for the NFT crap or crypto crap are just salty get rich quick schemers. Was flash even aware that individual crypto's owner was going to pump and dump or that it was flawed? Like does that apply across the board? Is GSL responsible for obese people or those with heart conditions who may have had issues because they were sponsored by Hot6? Is every player who drank one also responsible?
Also the guy you quoted claims that cpyto is funny in that someone has to lose for someone to gain, and in a legit sense of the meme money concept of crpyto that isn't true. It doesn't HAVE to work that way and also it probably shouldn't if that is what it's real purpose is. This was a scam taking it outside of the realm of a weird digital currency.
Flash seemed very content to lead a lot of people into financial ruin. South Korea is a very different place than Western countries and committing suicide when facing insurmountable debt is far more common than some would like to acknowledge. The whole scheme never really panned out but, judging by intent, Flash seemed to have no qualms about leading his fans and those who watched his stream down that road.
Content how? I'm curious cuz I've seen it somewhat explained. He isn't a tech wizard. I don't think he knew it was a pump/dump fake coin right. You're expecting him to know things he couldn't know. Again I use the same question if hot6 were somehow the cause of some deaths, would the teams/orgs/players who were sponsored by them be responsible for their bad product? How about if a certain keyboard company sponsored a team/player/org pretending like they made high quality products, but it was trash that broke in 7 months. Again are they responsible for that?
And while I note that the suicide is very unfortunate and a different culture. That has no affect on him promoting a sponsor and that sponsor turning out to be crap. That could happen to literally every single person in the spotlight. And expecting them to know I think is excessive.
And when you say judging by intent I'm not sure what you mean. Intent means he knew something when the only intent I've seen is that he was promoting it because he thought it was real. The way you used it would seem to indicate he knew it was a scam or a pump/dump and profited off of it or at least thought he would.
Well, but when you promote something to thousands of people, probably because you get paid for that, you maybe should inform yourself WHAT exactly you are promoting, and if you can't figure it out, maybe don't do it. Flash has a lot of fans that look up to him - and he knows that, he is famous for a long time now - so of course he has a responsibility to those fans. And, if he doesn't acknowledge that, it costs him money, too. I am not saying he should be further punished or he should not come back. But to say it was just some sort of bad luck is also not right in my eyes.
100% this essentially
Are yall serious? Let's say it comes out that hot6 is AWFUL for your health like far worse than any energy drink. Would the pros who were sponsored by them be in trouble because they promoted it? How about if the hot6 CEO sexually harassed employees? How about if hot6 the company employed slave labor? Or how about if hot6 was publicly traded and they cashed out knowing all that info above was going to come out and destroy their stock price?
How TF is a professional gamer, supposed to understand every aspect of every sponsor and be held liable for the shady dealings of others? And this one is even trickier because you're essentially saying he has to become a math, economic, business, crypto expert and somehow do detective work to figure out that the sponsorship is for a fake coin?
That is honestly IMO fucking unreasonable. Are people not responsible for their own actions? Not even to mention even LEGIT actual coins have had MASSIVE failures. What if that coin was legit and just bombed out to be worth a penny? Is it his fault then too when the price drops even though nobody did anything wrong and everyone lost money? I feel like this is just people trying to look for a weak cop out for their own actions and decisions, ESPECIALLY considering the insane risk/reward spectrum of meme internet currency such as a digital coin or NFT. If as an adult with any sort of normal IQ you can't figure out not only are those products unreliable but potentially scam heavy and unregulated. But also cannot manage your own risk and rely on the "investment" advice of an internet pro gaming celebrity that just seems childish and moronic and you only have yourself to blame.
Nobody is saying he should be some kind of expert in all these matters, merely that if he is not it’s not particularly responsible to promote such a venture to his fans.
You seem to want to put all the onus on said fans in terms of personal responsibility, but not on Flash from embarking on this particular path
This thread was interesting when it was about Flash, the player. Now it's about the people abusing the fact that they have keyboards under their fingers. Go drink a beer boys.
On June 21 2024 06:28 jinjin5000 wrote: I'm pretty surrpised by amount of people who picked flash won't be as dominant
This is exact same argument we saw before he returned if he can really keep up with likes of Bisu and "new meta".
I agree. Flash possesses an understanding of the game nobody else does, which is why he will quickly adapt to a new meta and surpass his peers in understanding its intricacies. Of course it will take some time but considering that ASL will likely start in August, I think there is enough time for him.
Personally, I am not happy about Flash returning to ASL. Having the whole competition revolving around the idea whether or not anybody might be capable of beating Flash is utterly boring to me.
On June 22 2024 03:26 Nirli wrote: This thread was interesting when it was about Flash, the player. Now it's about the people abusing the fact that they have keyboards under their fingers. Go drink a beer boys.
Right, it's totally unreasonable for people to discuss their discontent for a popular public figure who missused his popularity to try to scam his own audience.
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