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Protoss Translation Projeck back with a Vengance!

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jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-07 14:04:41
May 07 2023 13:50 GMT
#1
Hi friends, Protoss Translation project is back to business! check it out https://discord.gg/B769QcdejZ we have released new translated guides and there's more in-the works! Join your brothers and sistas, we are crowdfunding translations from players like Best, Mini and SnOw. Let's keep up with those Zergs and entitled Terrans!

The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States724 Posts
May 07 2023 20:31 GMT
#2
Khala has great protoss videos on youtube
www.broodwarmaps.net
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
May 07 2023 21:51 GMT
#3
True and those aren't behind paywall, the more the merrier! if you want to understand korean guides from the likes of Best, Mini or SnOw translated on English now you have that option as well.
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2881 Posts
May 07 2023 22:07 GMT
#4
aren't a lot of best videos free as well?

Do you know of Korean videos that are not behind a paywall but that would need a translation/are only in Korean?
Former WCG ref, WGTour.com and Fra-A admin. Current Clan ash admin, TDR NW Team NEU captain and BWCL Head Admin
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States724 Posts
May 07 2023 22:23 GMT
#5
just make sure you've got permission to do so from the players
www.broodwarmaps.net
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-08 01:46:50
May 08 2023 00:52 GMT
#6
Ye like all those old translations here on TL that ofc had permission from players, we are all about those western values.

I mean, if you know Korean there is a lot of great free content available, Best, Rush, Sacsri, etc but.. what I mean with paywall is that I'm looking for contributors that want to join the project and help with voluntary donations crowdfunding and dividing among us the competitive rate of translation we offer and pay our translators, translation services are not free but together we divide costs and make things happen, translated guides are only available to contributors, since again translation service is not free.

Even if the guide where original free of access for Koreans only but not translated, English content is only available after donation, that keeps projects alive, otherwise and based on experience I can tell u it gets full of freeloaders and entitled people that want to consume the English content but don't have any interest on help with a single minute of translation.
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States724 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-08 06:10:12
May 08 2023 06:10 GMT
#7
If you don’t get permission you risk losing hard work because someone reports it.
www.broodwarmaps.net
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
75 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-08 08:22:20
May 08 2023 08:16 GMT
#8
so are you buying paywalled guide packs, translating them and then paywaling them? thats kind of an illegall process unless you are paywalling it on behalf of the original creator in conjunction with their interests.

If it is free guides on youtube and you are translating those, that falls under fair use laws. But then you cant paywall that but can ask for monetary support through donations or non paywalled subscription for extra features. The original creator can still do takedown requests if the IP overlaps.
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-09 18:49:33
May 08 2023 11:43 GMT
#9
No, I'm not buying paywalled guide packs, translating them and paywalling them, I required people to also buy the original guides or subscribe to the original content creators, but that is just expected, I'm not the police and I can't enforce it, ofc is in conjunction with their interests, otherwise I would not care and make them public like you friends did here on TL, things remain unlisted/private for reasons.

The term paywall is just being throw here lightly as a matter of speaking, what we do is exactly what you describe ask for monetary support through donations with the caveat that we only share the translated content among those that donate, there is no subscription nor recurring fee, anything is voluntary, including joining the project.

All donations cover costs of the next translation and all money is completely expended into translation services, no one other than the translators being paid a fair rate for the great work they do have a for-profit goal out of this, anyway thanks for mansplaining I don't even know what you mean with a non paywalled subscription for extra features but I'm not here for the unsolicited legal advice, worst case I'll upload project on a video service based on one of those BRICS countries.
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2881 Posts
May 08 2023 17:45 GMT
#10
On May 08 2023 09:52 jchassoul wrote:
Ye like all those old translations here on TL that ofc had permission from players, we are all about those western values.

I mean, if you know Korean there is a lot of great free content available, Best, Rush, Sacsri, etc but.. what I mean with paywall is that I'm looking for contributors that want to join the project and help with voluntary donations crowdfunding and dividing among us the competitive rate of translation we offer and pay our translators, translation services are not free but together we divide costs and make things happen, translated guides are only available to contributors, since again translation service is not free.

Even if the guide where original free of access for Koreans only but not translated, English content is only available after donation, that keeps projects alive, otherwise and based on experience I can tell u it gets full of freeloaders and entitled people that want to consume the English content but don't have any interest on help with a single minute of translation.


there is actually not that many good and recent free guides in Korean, in particular for Protoss, or at the very least I wasnt able to find many in video format. Lots of good articles on namu/ygosu who are like TL in a way.
So if you have some links/names to youtube channelsthat are free in Korean I might consider helping with the translation or just even making quick summary of those. It would be cool to have a TL centralised series of free links to Korean content too to youtube because a) it ll help those players getting more views and b) it would also help maybe more korean speakers help you for better visibility. There are several in the KR scene as well as several foreigner with decent enough understanding to be able to do a summary.

I used to be on the discord you mention in the OP but it was extremely chaotic and limited (personal opinion).
Former WCG ref, WGTour.com and Fra-A admin. Current Clan ash admin, TDR NW Team NEU captain and BWCL Head Admin
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-08 19:01:44
May 08 2023 18:22 GMT
#11
On May 09 2023 02:45 WGT-Baal wrote:

I used to be on the discord you mention in the OP but it was extremely chaotic and limited (personal opinion).


True, protoss project was a mess, is all different now, this is like 3rd time it got reset with different people admin things, originally I was only doing Zerg, there we have more than 60 translations already with more to come, I plan todo the same with toss, hopefully if you join us you'll see the changes, the extreme chaotic days are gone, now we focus on translating.
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1104 Posts
May 09 2023 19:47 GMT
#12
You got me at the https://discord.gg/B769
NO HUNTERS FREE FOR ALL Discord: https://discord.gg/kWNQvnd
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
May 09 2023 21:22 GMT
#13
Wink wink
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
Glopozz
Profile Joined May 2023
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-25 04:46:05
May 25 2023 00:29 GMT
#14
On May 08 2023 09:52 jchassoul wrote:
Ye like all those old translations here on TL that ofc had permission from players, we are all about those western values.

I mean, if you know Korean there is a lot of great free content available, Best, Rush, Sacsri, etc but.. what I mean with paywall is that I'm looking for contributors that want to join the project and help with voluntary donations crowdfunding and dividing among us the competitive rate of translation we offer and pay our translators, translation services are not free but together we divide costs and make things happen, translated guides are only available to contributors, since again translation service is not free.

Even if the guide where original free of access for Koreans only but not translated. You must be able to weed out the irrelevant information when you are receiving so much of it. I also suggest that you employ as many time-saving, high-quality applications as you can. I suggest using the website email translation services to translate, for instance, technical support letters and marketing emails. This high-quality and quick email translation service supports over 90 language pairs. English content is only available after donation, that keeps projects alive, otherwise and based on experience I can tell u it gets full of freeloaders and entitled people that want to consume the English content but don't have any interest on help with a single minute of translation.

Now the crisis and people can be understood, not everyone has the means to pay for such things.
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
May 26 2023 01:00 GMT
#15
The Chinese word for “crisis” has two characters.
One stands for danger; the other for opportunity.
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2035 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-26 04:44:06
May 26 2023 04:41 GMT
#16
i would love to donate if the videos were directly from the players...

if i really wanted some random dude to translate a guide that someone else made, i would prolly post on fiver or pay a korean friend to do it.
op dM- @ west / "it's terran's skill issue if protoss got away with building carriers" -Stork.
jchassoul
Profile Joined February 2019
Costa Rica69 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-26 14:05:51
May 26 2023 13:51 GMT
#17
You don't pay me, I don't make a cent out of it, but together we split the total cost you assume by doing things alone, quality translation work, good luck with fiverr guy, guess you don't value ur fren time better invite him https://discord.gg/B769QcdejZ
The limits of my language means the limits of my world. — The Overmind
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1636 Posts
May 27 2023 18:21 GMT
#18
On May 08 2023 20:43 jchassoul wrote:
The term paywall is just being throw here lightly as a matter of speaking, what we do is exactly what you describe ask for monetary support through donations with the caveat that we only share the translated content among those that donate, there is no subscription nor recurring fee, anything is voluntary, including joining the project..


So.. it's paywalled.
Just because you call it a donation, doesn't change that according to your text you have to pay ("donate") in order to get access to the content. In other words: you're selling someone else's copyrighted work, probably without their explicit permission.
If you in fact do not have permission to make money ("pay translators for their hard work"), you and everyone involved can be liable. It's also not moral to do.

I've summed this up last year already, when there was a very similar case. It made jinjin realise that it's not the way to go, hopefully you will realise the same (if you do in fact not have approval from the original content creators and copyright holders):
https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/583184-translated-korean-bw-guides-discords?page=2#21
LML
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