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Hello, Mr. ZZZero. O.I am an SC1 player from China.I greatly admire your contribution to the SC1 community.But I hope you will consider my suggestion.
Please allow all SC1 players from around the world to participate in your competition.Including players from South Korea.Your current approach to locking the area.It has been proven by Blizzard several years ago to be very foolish and short-sighted.
Your current SC1 community is really too small.So that your audience can only provide you with very limited assistance.So what you need to do is expand your community.Expanding the community requires exciting competitions.It is difficult to obtain audience support and sponsorship without a sufficiently exciting competition.Let's imagine.If your game is as exciting as ASL.Is it easy to obtain tens of thousands of viewers?Can the sponsorship you need also be addressed?And this wonderful game requires Korean players to participate.I think Korean players are also very happy to play with your community.
In fact, this is also the reason for the rapid development of the SC1 community in China.Chinese SC1 players compete with top Korean players.Not only to improve their competitiveness,but also attract many new audiences.This allows the Chinese SC1 community to perform SC1 full-time like the Korean SC1 community.Full-time SC1 players are crucial to growing the community.So please consider my suggestion.
Finally, I want to send you an ancient Chinese saying:Walk a thousand miles,it starts with taking the first step.
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On March 29 2023 08:48 chenchuan wrote:
Hello, Mr. ZZZero. O.I am an SC1 player from China.I greatly admire your contribution to the SC1 community.But I hope you will consider my suggestion.
Please allow all SC1 players from around the world to participate in your competition.Including players from South Korea.Your current approach to locking the area.It has been proven by Blizzard several years ago to be very foolish and short-sighted.
Your current SC1 community is really too small.So that your audience can only provide you with very limited assistance.So what you need to do is expand your community.Expanding the community requires exciting competitions.It is difficult to obtain audience support and sponsorship without a sufficiently exciting competition.Let's imagine.If your game is as exciting as ASL.Is it easy to obtain tens of thousands of viewers?Can the sponsorship you need also be addressed?And this wonderful game requires Korean players to participate.I think Korean players are also very happy to play with your community.
In fact, this is also the reason for the rapid development of the SC1 community in China.Chinese SC1 players compete with top Korean players.Not only to improve their competitiveness,but also attract many new audiences.This allows the Chinese SC1 community to perform SC1 full-time like the Korean SC1 community.Full-time SC1 players are crucial to growing the community.So please consider my suggestion.
Finally, I want to send you an ancient Chinese saying:Walk a thousand miles,it starts with taking the first step.
please tell them not to ban players like Dewalt or Bonyth in china 
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What tournamets are/were dewalt and bonyth banned from?
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At least Mr.Chen found this forum,that's good for BSL.
One year ago,almost no Chinese know about Mr. Zzzero.
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On March 29 2023 10:31 art_of_turtle wrote:please tell them not to ban players like Dewalt or Bonyth in china
Ha ha ha.Let's make a hypothesis.Assuming Dewalt and Bonyth can participate in the SC1 competition in China.Assuming they can defeat all Chinese players, including Mihu.Assuming they can win the championship.After all this.Can you save Mr. ZZZero and BSL？Will they contribute their championship bonuses to help the SC1 community?It doesn't seem like it will.So does it have anything to do with whether Mr. ZZZero can obtain sponsorship?
Let me tell you more.In the past few sessions of BSL with Chinese players participating.China sponsors up to $1500-2000 to BSL.
Spring Cup held in China now.There are no Chinese among the top 8 players.This means that about 29020 dollars will be taken away by foreigners.So why are they doing this?Is it because they're stupid?Of course not.The reason I made clear before this.I don't want to repeat it.
So who is biased now？Who is more open and inclusive？
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Tbh i reall like what you write and the concept makes sense.
But how can we handle the timezone issues and the biggest problem the LAG issue?
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CSL allows any European or American participation, provided there is no network delay。
Dewalt participated in the Spring Festival Cup because he didn't have network delays, and later he was kicked out because there were network delays when he returned to Russia。
by the way, one Chinese people have been kicked out of CSL due to network delays. Although he is Chinese, he seems to live in Japan。
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On March 29 2023 17:22 [JXSA].Zergling wrote:
CSL allows any European or American participation, provided there is no network delay。
Dewalt participated in the Spring Festival Cup because he didn't have network delays, and later he was kicked out because there were network delays when he returned to Russia。
by the way, one Chinese people have been kicked out of CSL due to network delays. Although he is Chinese, he seems to live in Japan。
so no chinese in bsl because of "network delay" neither
fair, imo
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On March 29 2023 16:19 earob84 wrote:
Tbh i reall like what you write and the concept makes sense.
But how can we handle the timezone issues and the biggest problem the LAG issue?
We don't need to worry about time differences and network delays.Because the competition is voluntary.All competitors must abide by the rules.
There are many players with outstanding strength in the SC1 community in Korea.There will always be someone who can overcome these problems.All we need to do is provide an appropriate bonus.Use Korean players to bring us exciting games.Attract to a large audience and players.Strengthen our own community.
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On March 29 2023 17:29 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
so no chinese in bsl because of "network delay" neither
fair, imo
Please don't talk about network latency in my topic！
This has nothing to do with my topic！
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On March 29 2023 17:56 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2023 17:29 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
so no chinese in bsl because of "network delay" neither
fair, imo Please don't talk about network latency in my topic！ This has nothing to do with my topic！
I mean lag certainly is part of it
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Is it really exciting to see Korean players destroy everyone else? I mean, I get what the idea is, but maybe as another tournament/event in cooperation? Allowing Koreans to participate would effectively kill BSL as it is, instead of the best of Europe/China/NA/SA facing off against each other it would be Koreans eliminating everyone else than facing off against each other.
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mkay so BSL round of 32 all Koreans, that what u saying ?
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Nice troll lol brand new user ^_._^
Koreans leave over 69% of ladder games that lag (according to anecdotal evidence I have).
Not to mention the skill gap.
Also calling it SC1... Who does that?
Quote: "China sponsors up to $1500-2000 to BSL." I need confirmation on that one. I would be pleasantly surprised if true.
So "open" that the majority of Western social media platforms are blocked in China, including Twitch, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, YouTube, TikTok and many others.
What a joke! ; D
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/L8SQsOF.png)
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i have a good idea listen me!!!!! BAN all from NA SA EU and invite Korean,Chinese players. why living to much i...ot in the world? 
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On March 29 2023 17:22 [JXSA].Zergling wrote:
CSL allows any European or American participation, provided there is no network delay。
Dewalt participated in the Spring Festival Cup because he didn't have network delays, and later he was kicked out because there were network delays when he returned to Russia。
by the way, one Chinese people have been kicked out of CSL due to network delays. Although he is Chinese, he seems to live in Japan。
Alright then, all Chinese players are welcome in BSL as long as they play from a western country..
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What happened? Was there an announce that chinese are not allowed to play next bsl? Or i dont get it
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Nope there are simply tournaments for the foreign scene. There have been foreigner only tournaments from TSL, iCCup Starleague to BSL there needs to be foreigner only tournaments. The BSL is already open to more nations than CSL is, no reason to make demands on BSL.
The region locking that Blizzard did for SC2 is an SC2 problem, while BSL being foreigner only is actually bigger than it would be if it were open to Koreans. Foreigners donate to see foreigners play, we are holding up our side of the community. There is more viewership, because players know the players, or try to compete in it themselves. If the tournament was open to Koreans, it would become something that people just watch as vods, and wouldn't care to donate, because Koreans already have their own tournaments and means to make money.
I do think foreigners can compete with Koreans, but because of latency and time zones we do not get the practice that Chinese players have. Geography plays a huge part in why foreigners struggle against Koreans, and why Chinese people are the strongest foreigners. If BSL was open to Koreans, we will see a single nations' flag in the round of 24 onward.
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In a perfect world foreigners would be able to sustain themselves as professional broodwar players outside of Korea. In that scenario what you propose would be valid. As it stands the only location where individuals are able to play broodwar as their full time job is Korea. Asking amateurs to out compete full time paid professionals in any field is a large ask. I would expect a decline in already dwindling foreigner participation if Korean pros were allowed to participate in BSL.
I would love to see a future where people can play broodwar professionally world wide. In order to see that future there needs to be an expanded audience and player base. In order to expand viewership and the player base there needs to be a larger and healthier foreigner community. BSL helps incentivize this in the foreigner community by providing a sheltered environment.
If Korean pros want to participate in BSL, my suggestion would be to engage with the foreigner community so that the level of play rises such that foreigner participation would be competitive despite Korean involvement. In other words, have a vision to grow broodwar outside of Korea.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
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On March 30 2023 04:56 Diggity wrote:
In a perfect world foreigners would be able to sustain themselves as professional broodwar players outside of Korea. In that scenario what you propose would be valid. As it stands the only location where individuals are able to play broodwar as their full time job is Korea. Asking amateurs to out compete full time paid professionals in any field is a large ask. I would expect a decline in already dwindling foreigner participation if Korean pros were allowed to participate in BSL.
I would love to see a future where people can play broodwar professionally world wide. In order to see that future there needs to be an expanded audience and player base. In order to expand viewership and the player base there needs to be a larger and healthier foreigner community. BSL helps incentivize this in the foreigner community by providing a sheltered environment.
If Korean pros want to participate in BSL, my suggestion would be to engage with the foreigner community so that the level of play rises such that foreigner participation would be competitive despite Korean involvement. In other words, have a vision to grow broodwar outside of Korea.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
finally someone, thank you very much!
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It is not a bad idea in concept but you may lack knowledge of the non-chinese foreign scene.
first of all the market isnt comparable, and neither is the connection (timezones, latency, language issues etc...)
a possible option would be to may be have showmatches like the top 3 BSL players of a season get to play some koreans, or the top 6 in a old proleague style with 6 1v1 and possibly an ace if needed. Something like that might be fun.
but it is right to have geo-restricted events locally for people to grow and compete there before (may be) moving on to higher competition, such as the ASL, it s the same in any regular sport too.
Splitting BSL qualifiers into regions was already pretty good too to sustain even more local regions.
If Korea wants to join/be international (anecdotal evidence on ladder is they don't), a nice step would be to work at the academy level too with their academy and our CPL for instance, interact more in specially made event (not BSL) or invite foreigner to such events if they want to run it, while accepting it won't be tr24 low.
We need more interlocking at all levels, not just the pros coming into what is essentially amateur tournaments and wrecking anyone.
Instead they could play the aforementioned showmatch and maybe make some sort of guide/coaching video afterwards to share to the foreign fans (they d be compensated in some way of course).
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It’s disingenuous to compare the failures of region block in SC2 to the current situation of Brood War. Just taking the viewership perspective, the circumstances are totally different between the games with SC2 being more popular in the West and vice versa.
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On March 29 2023 18:04 2_2 wrote:
Is it really exciting to see Korean players destroy everyone else? I mean, I get what the idea is, but maybe as another tournament/event in cooperation? Allowing Koreans to participate would effectively kill BSL as it is, instead of the best of Europe/China/NA/SA facing off against each other it would be Koreans eliminating everyone else than facing off against each other.
Listen to me.What we need now is a great game.
As long as the opposing sides can bring us a wonderful game.It doesn't matter which country the two sides in the confrontation are from.
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On March 29 2023 18:06 AncientSion wrote:
mkay so BSL round of 32 all Koreans, that what u saying ?
The top 32 in the ASL league are all Korean.But there are over 100000 people watching at the same time.
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On March 29 2023 18:20 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Nice troll lol brand new user ^_._^ Koreans leave over 69% of ladder games that lag (according to anecdotal evidence I have). Not to mention the skill gap. Also calling it SC1... Who does that? Quote: " China sponsors up to $1500-2000 to BSL." I need confirmation on that one. I would be pleasantly surprised if true. So "open" that the majority of Western social media platforms are blocked in China, including Twitch, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, YouTube, TikTok and many others. What a joke! ; D
My topic only discusses SC1.So if you're going to talk about something other than SC1.Please do not reply to my topic！
If you have any questions about whether China will sponsor $1500-2000 to BSL.You can directly ask Mr. ZZZero questions.
Network latency is indeed a problem.It does have an impact on players.But please don't exaggerate the impact.Judging from the performance of Chinese players at BSL.It is also feasible for Korean players to participate in BSL.
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On March 29 2023 21:23 Peeano wrote:
Edit: Wrong topic
The biggest mistake I make on this topic is to say that I am Chinese.
Do you understand what I mean?
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On March 29 2023 23:43 Mutaller wrote:
Nope there are simply tournaments for the foreign scene. There have been foreigner only tournaments from TSL, iCCup Starleague to BSL there needs to be foreigner only tournaments. The BSL is already open to more nations than CSL is, no reason to make demands on BSL.
The region locking that Blizzard did for SC2 is an SC2 problem, while BSL being foreigner only is actually bigger than it would be if it were open to Koreans. Foreigners donate to see foreigners play, we are holding up our side of the community. There is more viewership, because players know the players, or try to compete in it themselves. If the tournament was open to Koreans, it would become something that people just watch as vods, and wouldn't care to donate, because Koreans already have their own tournaments and means to make money.
I do think foreigners can compete with Koreans, but because of latency and time zones we do not get the practice that Chinese players have. Geography plays a huge part in why foreigners struggle against Koreans, and why Chinese people are the strongest foreigners. If BSL was open to Koreans, we will see a single nations' flag in the round of 24 onward.
Why do you think I have a demand for BSL?How long do you think Mr. ZZZero can support SC1?How many more sessions can BSL hold?Mr. ZZZero has to work part-time to live, don't you know?
KSL hosted by Blizzard in 2018.In the KSL league, only South Koreans participate.Also live on the Twitch platform.But there are tens of thousands of viewers watching at the same time.What if BSL also has tens of thousands of viewers watching?Mr. ZZZero may not need a part-time job to live.
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On March 30 2023 10:35 chenchuan wrote:The biggest mistake I make on this topic is to say that I am Chinese. Do you understand what I mean?
I never meant to post in this thread. Your mistake was not reaching out to ZZZero via PM.
He'd probably have given you a direct answer by now. Now you have all these guys giving you their 2cts instead.
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On March 30 2023 04:56 Diggity wrote:
In a perfect world foreigners would be able to sustain themselves as professional broodwar players outside of Korea. In that scenario what you propose would be valid. As it stands the only location where individuals are able to play broodwar as their full time job is Korea. Asking amateurs to out compete full time paid professionals in any field is a large ask. I would expect a decline in already dwindling foreigner participation if Korean pros were allowed to participate in BSL.
I would love to see a future where people can play broodwar professionally world wide. In order to see that future there needs to be an expanded audience and player base. In order to expand viewership and the player base there needs to be a larger and healthier foreigner community. BSL helps incentivize this in the foreigner community by providing a sheltered environment.
If Korean pros want to participate in BSL, my suggestion would be to engage with the foreigner community so that the level of play rises such that foreigner participation would be competitive despite Korean involvement. In other words, have a vision to grow broodwar outside of Korea.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Why can't you think differently?Why are there fewer and fewer SC1 players and viewers outside Korea?Why hasn't BSL been able to expand its ratings and audience?
Think again from the perspective I provided
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On March 30 2023 07:12 Akio wrote:
It’s disingenuous to compare the failures of region block in SC2 to the current situation of Brood War. Just taking the viewership perspective, the circumstances are totally different between the games with SC2 being more popular in the West and vice versa.
Are you sure?Whether it's the KSL previously held by Blizzard for SC1.Or the current ASL.Western audiences have no lower ratings than SC2.
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I have an idea...
BSL online WORLD CUP: open qualifiers divided By country, allow koreans... Winner is World champion. Announce the tour 3 months before the qualys so ppl can practice in advance.
Use nationalism as a marketing tool, that shit grew the latam scene like a mofo.
That shit is gonna lag 100%, but kr viewers+cn viewers+na viewers+eu viewers+latam viewers... = worth..
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On March 30 2023 11:00 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2023 23:43 Mutaller wrote:
Nope there are simply tournaments for the foreign scene. There have been foreigner only tournaments from TSL, iCCup Starleague to BSL there needs to be foreigner only tournaments. The BSL is already open to more nations than CSL is, no reason to make demands on BSL.
The region locking that Blizzard did for SC2 is an SC2 problem, while BSL being foreigner only is actually bigger than it would be if it were open to Koreans. Foreigners donate to see foreigners play, we are holding up our side of the community. There is more viewership, because players know the players, or try to compete in it themselves. If the tournament was open to Koreans, it would become something that people just watch as vods, and wouldn't care to donate, because Koreans already have their own tournaments and means to make money.
I do think foreigners can compete with Koreans, but because of latency and time zones we do not get the practice that Chinese players have. Geography plays a huge part in why foreigners struggle against Koreans, and why Chinese people are the strongest foreigners. If BSL was open to Koreans, we will see a single nations' flag in the round of 24 onward. Why do you think I have a demand for BSL?How long do you think Mr. ZZZero can support SC1?How many more sessions can BSL hold?Mr. ZZZero has to work part-time to live, don't you know? KSL hosted by Blizzard in 2018.In the KSL league, only South Koreans participate.Also live on the Twitch platform.But there are tens of thousands of viewers watching at the same time.What if BSL also has tens of thousands of viewers watching?Mr. ZZZero may not need a part-time job to live.
Sweet jesus. You'd need to pay me tripple of what I'm earning now to only consider working with a person like you.
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On March 30 2023 17:44 GeckoXp wrote:
Sweet jesus. You'd need to pay me tripple of what I'm earning now to only consider working with a person like you.
First of all, I don't know Jesus.Cause I'm from China.
No one needs you to pay anything.The proposal I put forward in the topic requires no sacrifice from anyone.I just proposed a concept.If you can't accept it.You can leave without being forced.
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On March 30 2023 19:22 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 17:44 GeckoXp wrote:
Sweet jesus. You'd need to pay me tripple of what I'm earning now to only consider working with a person like you. First of all, I don't know Jesus.Cause I'm from China. No one needs you to pay anything.The proposal I put forward in the topic requires no sacrifice from anyone.I just proposed a concept.If you can't accept it.You can leave without being forced.
The only explanation I can come up with is that the language barrier makes it hard to communicate with you, as you seem to not understand the arguments that were made. Apparently ZZZero tries to support the foreign community and make a living off of his endeavours. If his only goal was to make a living off brood war, he could have focussed on Korea or put more energy into that kind of field.
Now, it doesn't seem like you care one bit about our views on what's needed and you also lack the history of what had been tried in the past. Hint: none of your suggestions work, all events that "included" Koreans didn't bring the boost you were dreaming of. The best summary of all responses can be found in marwin's meme. So, please, don't tell us what to think and assume we're stupid.
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On March 30 2023 19:39 GeckoXp wrote:
The only explanation I can come up with is that the language barrier makes it hard to communicate with you, as you seem to not understand the arguments that were made. Apparently ZZZero tries to support the foreign community and make a living off of his endeavours. If his only goal was to make a living off brood war, he could have focussed on Korea or put more energy into that kind of field.
Now, it doesn't seem like you care one bit about our views on what's needed and you also lack the history of what had been tried in the past. Hint: none of your suggestions work, all events that "included" Koreans didn't bring the boost you were dreaming of. The best summary of all responses can be found in marwin's meme. So, please, don't tell us what to think and assume we're stupid.
Let's make a hypothesis that you're right.Mr. ZZZero is so selfless.He doesn't want to rely on SC1 for a living.He also does not want to contact the SC1 community in South Korea.
How do you achieve the requirements you mentioned?Rely on your Jesus?
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On March 30 2023 21:10 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 19:39 GeckoXp wrote:
The only explanation I can come up with is that the language barrier makes it hard to communicate with you, as you seem to not understand the arguments that were made. Apparently ZZZero tries to support the foreign community and make a living off of his endeavours. If his only goal was to make a living off brood war, he could have focussed on Korea or put more energy into that kind of field.
Now, it doesn't seem like you care one bit about our views on what's needed and you also lack the history of what had been tried in the past. Hint: none of your suggestions work, all events that "included" Koreans didn't bring the boost you were dreaming of. The best summary of all responses can be found in marwin's meme. So, please, don't tell us what to think and assume we're stupid. Let's make a hypothesis that you're right.Mr. ZZZero is so selfless.He doesn't want to rely on SC1 for a living.He also does not want to contact the SC1 community in South Korea. How do you achieve the requirements you mentioned?Rely on your Jesus?
I respect ZZZero for what he's done and what he wants to do, but it's his dream to live off of Brood War and not mine. Personally, I'm not interested in any "business" that has to do with eSport, to me Brood War is a hobby and not more. And that's what you do not understand at all. Most people repyling here do not only want to watch, but also play in events. For those people BSL is the best tournament out there and you ask them to hand that over to Koreans. Well, why should they have any motivation in doing so? They won't earn more money and they won't gain any positives.
We're more interested in having a stable or even growing player base. If money was the answer we should've seen it making an impact by now or that events in the past would've made a difference. They didn't. Sure, bigger prize pools are appreciated, but they're not the solution to anything. We need newbies and casuals, not tons of gosus. If Koreans or Chinese had any interest for mutual projects, we would gladly welcome them. Experience tells me those communities remain isolated, because they're doing well enough on their own. So be it. This also means that I don't care for their suggestions one bit, if there's no quo for my quid.
Now please reply to the arguments people made here, get a translator if neccessary.
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On March 30 2023 21:10 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 19:39 GeckoXp wrote:
The only explanation I can come up with is that the language barrier makes it hard to communicate with you, as you seem to not understand the arguments that were made. Apparently ZZZero tries to support the foreign community and make a living off of his endeavours. If his only goal was to make a living off brood war, he could have focussed on Korea or put more energy into that kind of field.
Now, it doesn't seem like you care one bit about our views on what's needed and you also lack the history of what had been tried in the past. Hint: none of your suggestions work, all events that "included" Koreans didn't bring the boost you were dreaming of. The best summary of all responses can be found in marwin's meme. So, please, don't tell us what to think and assume we're stupid. Let's make a hypothesis that you're right.Mr. ZZZero is so selfless.He doesn't want to rely on SC1 for a living.He also does not want to contact the SC1 community in South Korea. How do you achieve the requirements you mentioned?Rely on your Jesus?
If Mr ZZZero didn't want to make a living from SC1 he wouldn't be making double or even triple the total prize pools for players. With how small the foreign BW scene is, where most money is mostly donated by viewers/players, this just seems insane and nobody seems to care.
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ancient Chinese saying:"Walk a thousand miles,it starts with taking the first step."
I'll answer in ancient chinese saying too: "To go beyond is as wrong as to fall short"
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On March 30 2023 21:39 GeckoXp wrote:
I respect ZZZero for what he's done and what he wants to do, but it's his dream to live off of Brood War and not mine. Personally, I'm not interested in any "business" that has to do with eSport, to me Brood War is a hobby and not more. And that's what you do not understand at all. Most people repyling here do not only want to watch, but also play in events. For those people BSL is the best tournament out there and you ask them to hand that over to Koreans. Well, why should they have any motivation in doing so? They won't earn more money and they won't gain any positives.
We're more interested in having a stable or even growing player base. If money was the answer we should've seen it making an impact by now or that events in the past would've made a difference. They didn't. Sure, bigger prize pools are appreciated, but they're not the solution to anything. We need newbies and casuals, not tons of gosus. If Koreans or Chinese had any interest for mutual projects, we would gladly welcome them. Experience tells me those communities remain isolated, because they're doing well enough on their own. So be it. This also means that I don't care for their suggestions one bit, if there's no quo for my quid.
Now please reply to the arguments people made here, get a translator if neccessary.
Mr. ZZZero has made many sacrifices for the SC1 community.In order to continue to help your community.He now has to work part-time to make ends meet.
While you are enjoying the SC1 activities brought to you by Mr. ZZZero.Just selfishly saying that what he did has nothing to do with you.
Of course, Mr. ZZZero's current difficulties have nothing to do with you.Cause you don't need to sacrifice anything.You're just sitting here.Waiting for him to bring you free service.
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On March 31 2023 00:37 iFU.spx wrote:
I'll answer in ancient chinese saying too: "To go beyond is as wrong as to fall short"
Ha ha ha.I understand what you mean.Your concern is justified.But we can limit the number of South Korean participants.Or make some special rules for them.Reduce their impact on BSL.
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Chenchuan What you are proposing is being done for the last decade or even more. That is pretty much the reason BSL born with such special rules.
There is been countless of tourneys that include Korean players and most of them were won by them. I actually understand your point cuz in The chinese Scene for some reason u guys are able to gather big names to your tournaments. In our scene Most of the time is a very little known korean that won the tournaments and doesnt bring to much value in return. Most of the time viewers got bored of the same guy winning over and over and also the complains about latency. Communication also can get difficult and frustation over the players rises. There is not deny that if for some reason we could dream of getting Soulkey Mini Snow Rush etc etc that will be incredible and bring insane viewership to the foreign tournaments. Sadly is not the case.And proly will never be. Those guys earn much more money doing daily proleagues to care about participating in a 3 months tournament for few thousands. Not to tell timezone is also horrible. Hope you understand. If you wanna help BSL better focus on spreading the word about it in your communities and mb they will help with sponsorship. Cheers.
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On March 30 2023 22:39 EndingLife wrote:
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On March 31 2023 09:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Chenchuan What you are proposing is being done for the last decade or even more. That is pretty much the reason BSL born with such special rules.
There is been countless of tourneys that include Korean players and most of them were won by them. I actually understand your point cuz in The chinese Scene for some reason u guys are able to gather big names to your tournaments. In our scene Most of the time is a very little known korean that won the tournaments and doesnt bring to much value in return. Most of the time viewers got bored of the same guy winning over and over and also the complains about latency. Communication also can get difficult and frustation over the players rises. There is not deny that if for some reason we could dream of getting Soulkey Mini Snow Rush etc etc that will be incredible and bring insane viewership to the foreign tournaments. Sadly is not the case.And proly will never be. Those guys earn much more money doing daily proleagues to care about participating in a 3 months tournament for few thousands. Not to tell timezone is also horrible. Hope you understand. If you wanna help BSL better focus on spreading the word about it in your communities and mb they will help with sponsorship. Cheers.
Thank you for letting go of your prejudices and talking rationally to me.
I heard what you said in the SC1 community in China.An unknown Korean took your championship and bonus.Ha ha ha.This is indeed a tragedy.Please forgive me for laughing out loud.
I'm not trying to change your mind.On the contrary.If Mr. ZZZero could be like Artosis or Tasteless.Can rely on Starcraft to obtain stable income.I won't make any comments.I will only wish you a pleasant time.
I have been promoting BSL in China's StarCraft Forum.I also donate directly to the BSL bonus pool.But whether it's my promotion or a $10 donation.Is almost unhelpful.My power is too small.So I think only wonderful competitions can help BSL.
Can we avoid previous tragedies by setting competition rules？For example, the regional trials implemented by BSL15?A qualifier that allows Koreans and Chinese to participate?Set specific restrictions on Korean players?
I think we should be able to do more.Help Mr. ZZZero and BSL get out of trouble.
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On March 31 2023 08:15 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 21:39 GeckoXp wrote:
I respect ZZZero for what he's done and what he wants to do, but it's his dream to live off of Brood War and not mine. Personally, I'm not interested in any "business" that has to do with eSport, to me Brood War is a hobby and not more. And that's what you do not understand at all. Most people repyling here do not only want to watch, but also play in events. For those people BSL is the best tournament out there and you ask them to hand that over to Koreans. Well, why should they have any motivation in doing so? They won't earn more money and they won't gain any positives.
We're more interested in having a stable or even growing player base. If money was the answer we should've seen it making an impact by now or that events in the past would've made a difference. They didn't. Sure, bigger prize pools are appreciated, but they're not the solution to anything. We need newbies and casuals, not tons of gosus. If Koreans or Chinese had any interest for mutual projects, we would gladly welcome them. Experience tells me those communities remain isolated, because they're doing well enough on their own. So be it. This also means that I don't care for their suggestions one bit, if there's no quo for my quid.
Now please reply to the arguments people made here, get a translator if neccessary.
Mr. ZZZero has made many sacrifices for the SC1 community.In order to continue to help your community.He now has to work part-time to make ends meet. While you are enjoying the SC1 activities brought to you by Mr. ZZZero.Just selfishly saying that what he did has nothing to do with you. Of course, Mr. ZZZero's current difficulties have nothing to do with you.Cause you don't need to sacrifice anything.You're just sitting here.Waiting for him to bring you free service.
Not to sideline the amazing work Zzzero has done, but gecko ran and still helps run bwcl which is the largest (in terms of amount of players) and oldest (since 2001) foreign tournament. He doesn't "sit here and wait for free service".
Perhaps you should educate yourself about a few of the people who replied to this thread and also look at the history of foreign run tournaments, you would find it enlightening.
A lot of us have direct experience with the koreans and chinese scenes too. For instance i was in the same clan as PJ, fengzi and chinaTT back in 2009-2010. I also was a WCG grand final referee for many years and worked with kespa. I personally know several korean pros and korean team leaders (pro and semi pros) and former kespa staff/refs. I m also one of the person training every other referee for every game at IESF.
There was never a big interest for Koreans in the foreign scene because the money just doesn't compare, hours are bad and lag is terrible. It never did and never will, unless some Saudi money starts raining on us through ESL. They might consider a weekend event (like tl attack back in the day or some wgt events) but not a multi month one.
That's a fact of life. Additionally we ve had a lot of free run tournaments over 2 decades. To many western people this is a hobby, and we like to support a few players if we can, but noone wants to invest more money (that goes for sponsors too) into it because it s just not how it s been historically.
There is a sunken cost too that is way too often overlooked: we are all working professionals, many of us with kids/mortgages etc. A lot of the people here also dedicate a lot of their personal time for the scene to run.
As an example my time spent running BWCL and helping other tournaments is "free" but very valuable due to my limited freetime. If you considered my hourly pay, it would be a gigantic amount of money. There is just no reason to pay money to see some random koreans with no connection to me come over and bring that cash home with 0 interaction (no coaching, tips, casting etc...).
And if it s one of the people with an actual connection to me, i d just treat them to a meal/drink and we can have fun at a pc bang or something together.
I do wish we had more connection between the scenes at the low levels: academy/coaching etc for sure. That go3s for China too, if you are aware of a CPL equivalent in China, please put us in touch!
But without that, it s just wasting money for no gain. I don't think viewership would even be that great. WCG took a pretty big noise dive after a while, unless a foreigner made a deep run. And people just watched the finals and that was it (they were, admitedly, great games).
Can you remember good WWI or Blizzcon games with high viewership? Because i can't, even if i was there in person. The results were foregone, so it s no fun.
Sorry this ended up being a long post. I think you had a wrong idea of the foreign scene and maybe saw it as wealthier/more robust than it is and if it were the case your proposals would make sense. But that ship has sailed 10+yrs ago, sad as it is.
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On March 31 2023 08:15 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 21:39 GeckoXp wrote:
I respect ZZZero for what he's done and what he wants to do, but it's his dream to live off of Brood War and not mine. Personally, I'm not interested in any "business" that has to do with eSport, to me Brood War is a hobby and not more. And that's what you do not understand at all. Most people repyling here do not only want to watch, but also play in events. For those people BSL is the best tournament out there and you ask them to hand that over to Koreans. Well, why should they have any motivation in doing so? They won't earn more money and they won't gain any positives.
We're more interested in having a stable or even growing player base. If money was the answer we should've seen it making an impact by now or that events in the past would've made a difference. They didn't. Sure, bigger prize pools are appreciated, but they're not the solution to anything. We need newbies and casuals, not tons of gosus. If Koreans or Chinese had any interest for mutual projects, we would gladly welcome them. Experience tells me those communities remain isolated, because they're doing well enough on their own. So be it. This also means that I don't care for their suggestions one bit, if there's no quo for my quid.
Now please reply to the arguments people made here, get a translator if neccessary.
Mr. ZZZero has made many sacrifices for the SC1 community.In order to continue to help your community.He now has to work part-time to make ends meet. While you are enjoying the SC1 activities brought to you by Mr. ZZZero.Just selfishly saying that what he did has nothing to do with you. Of course, Mr. ZZZero's current difficulties have nothing to do with you.Cause you don't need to sacrifice anything.You're just sitting here.Waiting for him to bring you free service.
To be clear, earning income working with a game you love is not a sacrifice, a sacrifice would be doing it for free.
Watching BSL as a viewer is a sacrifice because you spend time watching a game instead of earning income. But we still do it because we value the game more than the income.
If i got paid for doing BW stuff i would dedicate time for it too.
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On March 31 2023 08:15 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 21:39 GeckoXp wrote:
I respect ZZZero for what he's done and what he wants to do, but it's his dream to live off of Brood War and not mine. Personally, I'm not interested in any "business" that has to do with eSport, to me Brood War is a hobby and not more. And that's what you do not understand at all. Most people repyling here do not only want to watch, but also play in events. For those people BSL is the best tournament out there and you ask them to hand that over to Koreans. Well, why should they have any motivation in doing so? They won't earn more money and they won't gain any positives.
We're more interested in having a stable or even growing player base. If money was the answer we should've seen it making an impact by now or that events in the past would've made a difference. They didn't. Sure, bigger prize pools are appreciated, but they're not the solution to anything. We need newbies and casuals, not tons of gosus. If Koreans or Chinese had any interest for mutual projects, we would gladly welcome them. Experience tells me those communities remain isolated, because they're doing well enough on their own. So be it. This also means that I don't care for their suggestions one bit, if there's no quo for my quid.
Now please reply to the arguments people made here, get a translator if neccessary.
Mr. ZZZero has made many sacrifices for the SC1 community.In order to continue to help your community.He now has to work part-time to make ends meet. While you are enjoying the SC1 activities brought to you by Mr. ZZZero.Just selfishly saying that what he did has nothing to do with you. Of course, Mr. ZZZero's current difficulties have nothing to do with you.Cause you don't need to sacrifice anything.You're just sitting here.Waiting for him to bring you free service.
What now, lol, are only people "allowed" to talk who actively are in favour of your suggestions? Or people who you think have sacrificed anything? What kind of word is sacrifice anyway? We're talking about a god damn video game, nobody should sacrifice as if this was a war of some kind. Even if it was, I would first try to figure out whom I'm talking to, because I'm pretty sure you'd lose the comparison, regardless if it's about money or energy spend on projects. If that's all you have to say: thank you and you may leave.
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On March 31 2023 15:34 GeckoXp wrote:
What now, lol, are only people "allowed" to talk who actively are in favour of your suggestions? Or people who you think have sacrificed anything? What kind of word is sacrifice anyway? We're talking about a god damn video game, nobody should sacrifice as if this was a war of some kind. Even if it was, I would first try to figure out whom I'm talking to, because I'm pretty sure you'd lose the comparison, regardless if it's about money or energy spend on projects. If that's all you have to say: thank you and you may leave.
Of course you can disagree with my suggestion.This is your freedom.I already told you.No one forces you to do anything.
Mr. ZZZero is the only person who currently organizes SC1 events full-time.Even if you don't agree, it's true.If Mr. ZZZero no longer organizes BSL.It's definitely not just that BSL will disappear.Your SC1 community will decline.So please don't say it's none of your business!
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On March 31 2023 16:22 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2023 15:34 GeckoXp wrote:
What now, lol, are only people "allowed" to talk who actively are in favour of your suggestions? Or people who you think have sacrificed anything? What kind of word is sacrifice anyway? We're talking about a god damn video game, nobody should sacrifice as if this was a war of some kind. Even if it was, I would first try to figure out whom I'm talking to, because I'm pretty sure you'd lose the comparison, regardless if it's about money or energy spend on projects. If that's all you have to say: thank you and you may leave.
Of course you can disagree with my suggestion.This is your freedom.I already told you.No one forces you to do anything. Mr. ZZZero is the only person who currently organizes SC1 events full-time.Even if you don't agree, it's true.If Mr. ZZZero no longer organizes BSL.It's definitely not just that BSL will disappear.Your SC1 community will decline.So please don't say it's none of your business!
So, what's your point anyway?
That we'd lose a nice event if BSL wasn't there? Big brain time, we're all aware of this fact.
That ZZZero does an awesome job organizing events? Nobody disputes that.
That we could use strategies to grow our scene? Wow, what an innovative thought. Good thing we haven't tried in various ways, including having bleeding weekly tournaments open to Koreans and Chinese. It. got. us. nowhere.
If anything, we should listen to ZZZero and not to some random person who lacks any background info about this community.
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On March 30 2023 11:30 chenchuan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2023 07:12 Akio wrote:
It’s disingenuous to compare the failures of region block in SC2 to the current situation of Brood War. Just taking the viewership perspective, the circumstances are totally different between the games with SC2 being more popular in the West and vice versa. Are you sure?Whether it's the KSL previously held by Blizzard for SC1.Or the current ASL.Western audiences have no lower ratings than SC2.
I’m not 100% if this is what you mean, but I think most of the viewership for ASL/KSL is Korean. And as someone mentioned here, the fact that the foreign BW scene for players specifically is so small makes BSL special. These top tied foreigner players would have no platform to compete in if you brought in the Koreans for extra viewership, like you’re proposing.
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On March 31 2023 17:44 GeckoXp wrote:So, what's your point anyway? That we'd lose a nice event if BSL wasn't there? Big brain time, we're all aware of this fact. That ZZZero does an awesome job organizing events? Nobody disputes that. That we could use strategies to grow our scene? Wow, what an innovative thought. Good thing we haven't tried in various ways, including having bleeding weekly tournaments open to Koreans and Chinese. It. got. us. nowhere. If anything, we should listen to ZZZero and not to some random person who lacks any background info about this community.
As I said to Mr. Eonzerg yesterday.I'm not trying to change your mind.On the contrary.If Mr. ZZZero could be like Artosis or Tasteless.Can rely on Starcraft to obtain stable income.I won't make any comments.I will only wish you a pleasant time.
Because I know Mr. ZZZero's life is difficult now.He may not hold any more events for SC1.So I hope Mr. ZZZero and BSL can get out of this dilemma.
That's my point of view.
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On March 31 2023 10:55 WGT-Baal wrote:
Not to sideline the amazing work Zzzero has done, but gecko ran and still helps run bwcl which is the largest (in terms of amount of players) and oldest (since 2001) foreign tournament. He doesn't "sit here and wait for free service".
Perhaps you should educate yourself about a few of the people who replied to this thread and also look at the history of foreign run tournaments, you would find it enlightening.
A lot of us have direct experience with the koreans and chinese scenes too. For instance i was in the same clan as PJ, fengzi and chinaTT back in 2009-2010. I also was a WCG grand final referee for many years and worked with kespa. I personally know several korean pros and korean team leaders (pro and semi pros) and former kespa staff/refs. I m also one of the person training every other referee for every game at IESF.
There was never a big interest for Koreans in the foreign scene because the money just doesn't compare, hours are bad and lag is terrible. It never did and never will, unless some Saudi money starts raining on us through ESL. They might consider a weekend event (like tl attack back in the day or some wgt events) but not a multi month one.
That's a fact of life. Additionally we ve had a lot of free run tournaments over 2 decades. To many western people this is a hobby, and we like to support a few players if we can, but noone wants to invest more money (that goes for sponsors too) into it because it s just not how it s been historically.
There is a sunken cost too that is way too often overlooked: we are all working professionals, many of us with kids/mortgages etc. A lot of the people here also dedicate a lot of their personal time for the scene to run.
As an example my time spent running BWCL and helping other tournaments is "free" but very valuable due to my limited freetime. If you considered my hourly pay, it would be a gigantic amount of money. There is just no reason to pay money to see some random koreans with no connection to me come over and bring that cash home with 0 interaction (no coaching, tips, casting etc...).
And if it s one of the people with an actual connection to me, i d just treat them to a meal/drink and we can have fun at a pc bang or something together.
I do wish we had more connection between the scenes at the low levels: academy/coaching etc for sure. That go3s for China too, if you are aware of a CPL equivalent in China, please put us in touch!
But without that, it s just wasting money for no gain. I don't think viewership would even be that great. WCG took a pretty big noise dive after a while, unless a foreigner made a deep run. And people just watched the finals and that was it (they were, admitedly, great games).
Can you remember good WWI or Blizzcon games with high viewership? Because i can't, even if i was there in person. The results were foregone, so it s no fun.
Sorry this ended up being a long post. I think you had a wrong idea of the foreign scene and maybe saw it as wealthier/more robust than it is and if it were the case your proposals would make sense. But that ship has sailed 10+yrs ago, sad as it is.
Thank you for being so detailed.I've already read everything.
You seem to take bonuses too seriously.Let's not discuss the Korean SC community first.Please let me talk to you from the perspective of the SC community in China.
I can tell you responsibly.Most Chinese players participate in BSL.Not because of your bonus.I'm not saying that Chinese players don't like bonuses.Of course, we also like high bonuses.But we enjoy competing with you more.Even if the championship prize is only $100.I believe many Chinese players, including Mihu, are still willing to play with you.
Let's continue to discuss how much bonus should be paid to Korean players.As you saw on the forum, the weekly invitational competitions between China and South Korea.China's SC1 community invites 5 Korean players to participate every week.The total amount paid to them is approximately $200.Even if the Korean contestants invited are Jeadong, Bisu, and Sea waiting for well-known contestants.As long as you're not in Korea's prime time.The amount to be paid will not exceed $300.
Finally, let's talk about time differences and network delays.Network latency can be resolved through network accelerators.Although there will still be some impacts.But it's not that you can't play.Jet lag is a good thing to some extent.Because it's possible to stagger the golden period in South Korea.Such a large number of South Korean players will be willing to participate.Because there were no matches in South Korea at that time.
If you want your SC1 community to continue to grow.It must be the best way to compete with top Korean players.
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Imo i think its difficult to grow a game thats from 1998.
The controls are hardcore compared to modern games, ie a steep learning curve.
Most of community still playing are old school gamers above 30s closing their 40s.
Getting cash tournaments going isnt equal to new player base in such an old difficult-to-play game.
Ive been playing this game since '98 and user-wise we are at the lowest ever, maybe more people try to play it more competitive (BW school) compared to before but the user-base is quite the same.
If someone got any stats on this not being the case except for my own in-game observation that would be great. Im only talking about EU server as thats where i live. Its only recently ive had to resort to WE for games.
So i dont agree that introducing asians into foreign tours increases foreign player base for above reasons.
Gen Z dont even play games anymore, its all phones and tiktok.
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It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve.
Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022
Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone
Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea
When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle
I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe
The problem would be anything related to the locations
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ekkuZtW.jpg)
Just an idea that can be improooooved
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On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved
I have to say this is a bold idea.And it's also a creative idea.Although it may never be possible to achieve.But I still bless you.
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On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved
In my experience playing with terror over the years he is the only peruvian with a solid internet conection.Before remastered and all this TR16 20 24 we uaed to joke terror didnt live in Peru. Btw why Gosudark lag so much ? Does he live in a Mountain with difficult access or something ? That guy lags like he lives in Irak tbh.
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I’d love to see a once a year BSL style open tournament, meaning no region lock. But it can’t be BSL, it should have a new brand. BSL style format, but earnings will be different. Double the prize if the lower ladder ranked player wins, half the prize if the upper ranked player wins each round. Championship prize remains the same.
Hard not to take the foreign side though on the BSL topic. Just too many issues bringing in Koreans Pros.
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On April 01 2023 23:05 BisuDagger wrote:
I’d love to see a once a year BSL style open tournament, meaning no region lock. But it can’t be BSL, it should have a new brand. BSL style format, but earnings will be different. Double the prize if the lower ladder ranked player wins, half the prize if the upper ranked player wins each round. Championship prize remains the same.
Hard not to take the foreign side though on the BSL topic. Just too many issues bringing in Koreans Pros.
Perhaps we can consider the regional trials used by BSL15?Divide China and South Korea into one competition area.This does not affect players from the Americas or Europe.Can it bring more exciting competitions and more audiences?
I'm just here hoping that Mr. ZZZero can be selfish.Find a way to ensure your life.
After all, we all need enough bread to pursue our dreams.
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On March 30 2023 04:56 Diggity wrote:
In a perfect world foreigners would be able to sustain themselves as professional broodwar players outside of Korea. In that scenario what you propose would be valid. As it stands the only location where individuals are able to play broodwar as their full time job is Korea. Asking amateurs to out compete full time paid professionals in any field is a large ask. I would expect a decline in already dwindling foreigner participation if Korean pros were allowed to participate in BSL.
I would love to see a future where people can play broodwar professionally world wide. In order to see that future there needs to be an expanded audience and player base. In order to expand viewership and the player base there needs to be a larger and healthier foreigner community. BSL helps incentivize this in the foreigner community by providing a sheltered environment.
If Korean pros want to participate in BSL, my suggestion would be to engage with the foreigner community so that the level of play rises such that foreigner participation would be competitive despite Korean involvement. In other words, have a vision to grow broodwar outside of Korea.
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Well said. Like how European soccer players are leveling up American pros. It's making an impact.
But the disadvantage of not having starcraft as your day job will be hard to overcome. Doesn't mean it can't work, but it lengthens the timeline.
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On April 01 2023 22:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved In my experience playing with terror over the years he is the only peruvian with a solid internet conection.Before remastered and all this TR16 20 24 we uaed to joke terror didnt live in Peru. Btw why Gosudark lag so much ? Does he live in a Mountain with difficult access or something ? That guy lags like he lives in Irak tbh.
lima is the only city with good net
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On April 01 2023 22:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2023 19:04 remeka wrote:It´s not that hardcore like it used to be in the old times, Dandy raises players from F to medium A in just months. Things have improved, monitors, mouses, ergonomy, glasses.. but THERE´S STILL NO USER FRIENDLY BW GUIDES that would make the learning process improve. Sziky v Terror had tr 16 low, that would have been unthinkable even 4 years ago, a blasphemy 10 years ago and now a new internet cable between Portugal and Brazil (ellalink) has been built in 2022 Fiber optic, until certain degree, can improve without changing the entire hardware so don´t take our past experiences like something set in stone Things are improving but "the west" will NEVER have tr 24 low with Korea When blizz tried to kill bw they also harmed the trust that some investors had in the game and that´s hard to erase...i think w3champions has solved some parts of this puzzle I had some ideas but i´ll post them in some days, one of them is to select a zone in the yellow or white area of the map and the best of every region will travel towards that area for the "finals" (in tr 24 high), easy for North America and Euros, we (latinos) can pay for the ticket to Brazil plus our players will enjoy it and chinese would have to take a train to the west because it`s cheaper and safe The problem would be anything related to the locations Just an idea that can be improooooved In my experience playing with terror over the years he is the only peruvian with a solid internet conection.Before remastered and all this TR16 20 24 we uaed to joke terror didnt live in Peru. Btw why Gosudark lag so much ? Does he live in a Mountain with difficult access or something ? That guy lags like he lives in Irak tbh.
MountainToss is a cool nickname
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