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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
I can think of two infamous ones: Battle Royal, on which teams just kept sending out Zerg users, leading to its replacement. Central Plains, on which teams almost only sent out Protoss users, leading to its replacement. Have there been any severely Terran favoured maps, for both matchups? | ||
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ArneXis
2 Posts
Tears of the Moon is called Tears of the Protoss for a reason. | ||
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jchassoul
Costa Rica72 Posts
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
Odd-Eye is probably the most Terran favored at 58% in TvZ and 68% in TvP, but the sample size on that one is relatively small. In modern maps, Allegro is trending towards passing 60:40 in TvP, which probably explains why Artosis considers it a somewhat decent map for the matchup. Pelennor gets a significant mention for Terran having over 70% in TvZ and TvP, but the sample size there is under 10 games per matchup. It was used in exactly one OSL back in 2004. Looking at statistics on old maps was an interesting experience, because the balance on some maps is very clearly a result of how the game was understood at the time the map was played. For example, Mutalisk micro. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On December 25 2022 15:33 Kyadytim wrote: In modern maps, Allegro is trending towards passing 60:40 in TvP, which probably explains why Artosis considers it a somewhat decent map for the matchup. It's even worse in ZvP at like 68:32. Taking a third base is a struggle for Protoss on that map, and when it's finally done, it's just a mineral only. Edit: Ok, I checked on eloboard.com. This is how it is right now: Largo (the older version): TvZ: 55.2% PvT: 46.8% ZvP: 63.3% (!) Allegro, the newer version: TvZ: 51.9% PvT: 43.3% ZvP 59% Still a bit of a yikes ZvP, but the other matchups are within acceptable ranges. Still, too imbalanced in my opinion, because of the ZvP. PvT is also a little suspect. I'd prefer 45% or 55% at worst. Liquipedia has different statistics that show it as balanced except for PvT, which is very Terran favoured at 60%. Where does Liquipedia get its stats from? ASL only? | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
This new 2p map for ASL: https://910map.tistory.com/155 Watch some ZvP's on it. It's downright cringe. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On December 26 2022 01:23 oxKnu wrote: We have a new candidate. This new 2p map for ASL: https://910map.tistory.com/155 Watch some ZvP's on it. It's downright cringe. In favour of who? I'd argue having some P > Z maps would be good given ZvP at least always felt so imbalanced in favour of zerg lol | ||
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Jealous
10253 Posts
 Tears of the MoonReverse Temple (remove Savior's wins from the ZvT winrate): Reverse Temple | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1660 Posts
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On December 26 2022 07:32 Qikz wrote: In favour of who? I'd argue having some P > Z maps would be good given ZvP at least always felt so imbalanced in favour of zerg lol Given the back door to the main blocked by neutral buildings, I'm going to guess Protoss is getting absolutely destroyed. To defend against 3-hatch hydra pressure, Protoss needs to cannon up two locations. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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TMNT
3102 Posts
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On December 26 2022 08:36 Kyadytim wrote: Given the back door to the main blocked by neutral buildings, I'm going to guess Protoss is getting absolutely destroyed. To defend against 3-hatch hydra pressure, Protoss needs to cannon up two locations. +Inability to expand anywhere because 6 speedlings can destroy any expo in 5 seconds. I've watched some games where Z just A moves shit randomly and wins by a landslide. It's an embarassing map. | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
Paradoxxx | ||
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
On December 26 2022 07:32 Qikz wrote: In favour of who? I'd argue having some P > Z maps would be good given ZvP at least always felt so imbalanced in favour of zerg lol Probably in Zerg's favour, because of the backdoor into the nat… On December 26 2022 23:27 Avi-Love wrote: Surprised no one has mentioned Inner Coven yet -- the version they picked for ASL was a complete disaster, not a huge sample size admittedly, but I suspect that is because no one wanted to waste anymore time playing on it; although on a personal level it was fun to watch terran suffer for once! + Show Spoiler + It was great for Zerg, and actually pretty balanced and exciting in PvZ. So it achieved what it was supposed to. Any one remember Desert Fox? And what about just overall cringiness? Demon's Forest? DMZ? | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
Wasn't that map made by a non Korean? one of the usual suspects I seem to recall | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28727 Posts
TLPD has it as 13-1 for tvz. | ||
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
On December 27 2022 06:06 vOdToasT wrote: Inner Coven / Core Breach was fine in every matchup except TvZ, and I believe that given more time, Terran would have found a way. Terran always finds a way. Well, TvP was basically the race between the 2 push and the Carriers every game. Even putting aside balance, whenever a map forces players into that playstyle it always feels rather stale… Wasn't that map made by a non Korean? one of the usual suspects I seem to recall Yes. Me. | ||
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