Maphacks In Remastered (Proof) - Page 3

On March 07 2019 03:54 badpenny wrote:
there is now a link in the blizzard forum thread linked in op to a blog that allegedly sells maphack

On March 07 2019 04:20 Matt Sherman wrote:


Be advised, that the folks commenting on that linked thread are reporting it as a scam.

On March 07 2019 03:17 Incomplete..ReV wrote:


It did before and I think it was primarily two things we looked for;

1. Auto-split (all actions done at 5, which is like a split second)
2. Clicks on buildings or units that were outside of vision

The auto-split could be turned off. And in time we couldn't use the clicks on buildings either, as the program was developed to hide those from BWchart.

Not sure if it'll work now, though.

On March 07 2019 08:23 JakePlissken wrote:
History repeats itself indeed. Remember what destroyed the original Bnet ladder? It was laggy, hacking was rampant, and its social channels were a haven for racists, hate speech, and generally despicable people. Lag has gotten better, although it's still not ideal (it's as much a function of the playerbase as the netcode), and it's nice that Blizzard is at least acknowledging that maphacking may exist. Yet I have serious doubts about whether Remastered Bnet can continue to thrive now, especially with such a small team at their disposal. Currently, there are users with racial and homophobic slurs in their username, people unironically espousing ethnic cleansing and racial violence in BW general chat, many of whom are the same people who have been doing it since launch and who have been reported hundreds of times. Even if they're buying new keys to do it, they aren't getting banned fast enough, if at all. This is the easiest aspect of battlenet to fix - a simple check of a user's chatlog for banned words or phrases, and instituting the same for name creation - yet that is apparently not enough of a priority issue to warrant development time.

As previously stated by others, an anti-cheat tool is not only difficult and time-consuming to develop, but it must be continuously and aggressively updated as new hacks get developed to ensure proper detection. This requires orders of magnitude more effort than simple chat moderation features, and it would require Remastered to get way more attention and development time than Blizzard seems willing to devote to it.

The suggestion that players should just practice with friends to dodge maphacking is like suggesting they join a null chat channel to avoid the agitators. Is that really the ideal state of the game, where I have to join an empty channel to avoid rule-breaking chatters and join private lobbies with people I trust to avoid hackers? It's especially unacceptable when tournaments like BSL, with money on the line, rely on ladder ranking to determine who qualifies. Ladder tournaments like TSL were only viable because of ICCup's anti-hack. Of course, people still figured out how to abuse the system, but anti-hack added some notion of legitimacy which ladder currently lacks.

I don't think making a list of known hackers is a solution either, even though it may be of use to some people. It's too easy to smurf and hide on Bnet, although it may be of use if known hackers try to qualify for BSL or something. But individual replay analysis and other subjective reporting rarely result in official action. The only real solution is a constantly updated anti-hack program, and I hope the BW team can figure that out. The presence alone of unchecked hacking will shrink the playerbase even more, which is not something BW can afford at this point.

On March 07 2019 14:42 simple_george wrote:
blizzard isn't going to devote money for other features unless they can get something in return.

On March 07 2019 19:57 JakePlissken wrote:


That's partially what I'm saying; I didn't want to sound too pessimistic, but BW doesn't really lend itself to a paid model at all, and without money the problem isn't going to get fixed. If it ever gets to the point where hacks of any kind are readily available, there's basically no chance they'll be stopped on battlenet at all, no matter how bad it gets. Ladder and even custom melee games will be completely illegitimate.

For that matter, Brood War simply cannot survive without a populated and hack-free ladder system. That role was interchangeably filled by PGTour, ICCup, Fish, and now Remastered. If Remastered ladder is done for, then I guess diehard players will migrate back to ICCup (assuming of course that the new hacks are somehow blocked by ICCup's antique anti-hack client, which I sincerely doubt) and everyone else who isn't hacking will just quit. This is the same kind of runaway train that has destroyed dozens of similarly mismanaged online games, and that will be the story of Brood War as well.

On March 07 2019 03:30 Matt Sherman wrote:
We take cheating very seriously and are investigating the recent reports.

On March 07 2019 08:23 JakePlissken wrote:
his is the easiest aspect of battlenet to fix - a simple check of a user's chatlog for banned words or phrases, and instituting the same for name creation - yet that is apparently not enough of a priority issue to warrant development time.

It's especially unacceptable when tournaments like BSL, with money on the line, rely on ladder ranking to determine who qualifies.

You never will have a truely cheat-free environment, for that you would need observers standing next to each player always and everywhere.

On August 22 2021 08:55 WhistlerR- wrote:
played this guy on ladder, "Tarunbuffed", accout was deleted before i could check his profile.

at 12:00 he irradiates 6 lurkers at once which is stacked under overlord, without vision.

the only time he leaves his base with vessels is to irradiate before i get to close to his base, without vision

at one point he has over 1k apm, and 600 avg. in a 54min game

rep: https://repmastered.app/game/-jHe5TytZfeRk_NkbxLPyWN_tdoyF3cL2PB_8pFr1mE

On August 22 2021 08:55 WhistlerR- wrote:
played this guy on ladder, "Tarunbuffed", accout was deleted before i could check his profile.

at 12:00 he irradiates 6 lurkers at once which is stacked under overlord, without vision.

the only time he leaves his base with vessels is to irradiate before i get to close to his base, without vision

at one point he has over 1k apm, and 600 avg. in a 54min game

rep: https://repmastered.app/game/-jHe5TytZfeRk_NkbxLPyWN_tdoyF3cL2PB_8pFr1mE

On August 22 2021 08:55 WhistlerR- wrote:
played this guy on ladder, "Tarunbuffed", accout was deleted before i could check his profile.

at 12:00 he irradiates 6 lurkers at once which is stacked under overlord, without vision.

the only time he leaves his base with vessels is to irradiate before i get to close to his base, without vision

at one point he has over 1k apm, and 600 avg. in a 54min game

rep: https://repmastered.app/game/-jHe5TytZfeRk_NkbxLPyWN_tdoyF3cL2PB_8pFr1mE