EPTBW Power Rank: October 2018 - Page 4
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Rodya
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On October 21 2018 23:06 Incomplete..ReV wrote: I really don't see the problem. Power Rankings are, as far as I can see, a lot more about recency bias than historically based. Where history is more of a tipping point in cases of doubt, than anything else. + Show Spoiler + And it's not like there's a huge difference between Effort and Action in the ranking. They're right by each others' side. Action had come back from the army and showed increasingly stronger form, whereas effort hadn't performed really well in any ASL og KSL for a long time. In doubt between the two, I can easily see it tipping towards Action. Ya'll fanboys going apeshit over nothing. But having that said, Effort really had some of the most beautiful ZvT I've seen in a while, except for G1 and G4 which were more on the opposite end of the specter. Power ranks are mostly arbitrary and silly with ill-defined criteria. The issue many people, myself included, had with this Power Rank was that on any time scale, Effort had been outperforming Action. Even if you value recency bias, it didn't make any sense. Yes power ranks are arbitrary, but this choice felt extra arbitrary. I guess it crossed the tipping point. Basically Action got it for having a cool strat against Light, pulling off a tough win against Jaedong, and playing a lot of sponmatches. Also Power Rank writers / defenders could chill too. People like getting worked up about this stuff. Part of the fun. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On October 22 2018 05:54 FlaShFTW wrote: This is the reason why people don't want to make power ranks. Bro, it's a simple prediction based upon trend lines of players performing. It is not an end all be all for how the next month will play out. The ranking is merely how I believe players will play. Mini got 3rd but was matched with FlaSh. It doesn't mean I think Mini will finish 3rd. You guys take this way too seriously and too literally for how people will play. Things happen, players get better or slump. I'm not a prophet, never pretended to be. If the criticism of a PR is after the fact of games being played, please, just don't even start. FlaSh could lose to Shuttle in the semis and I wouldn't even bat an eye on how I made this month's PR. No one was arguing Last at #2, but oh he loses and now everyone gets to come here and try to bash this? Really? Not even true. If I was making it solely on finishes, then Last would be #1, Jaedong would still be top 5, Rain and SK would both be top5, especially Rain. Do people here even bother to read the explanations at all? Wow, someone who actually understands the point I was trying to go with this PR. Thank god. And his fantastic play will be reflected in the next PR. Imagine that. Come on, you know what you're getting yourself into with Power Ranks. The point is basically just to generate unnecessarily heated discussion with semi-arbitrary inputs. If I were you I'd just laugh these off. If it's going to bother you this much then you probably shouldn't write them. | ||
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Yanokabo
268 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10354 Posts
On October 22 2018 12:03 darktreb wrote: Come on, you know what you're getting yourself into with Power Ranks. The point is basically just to generate unnecessarily heated discussion with semi-arbitrary inputs. If I were you I'd just laugh these off. If it's going to bother you this much then you probably shouldn't write them. I'm totally ok with people disagreeing with the PR. That's not the point, either that or you just didn't get it. When people are going to just look at the list itself, and then argue, and then talk even more after the fact when games are played during the month and then come back to this just to kick me while I'm down, yeah that's where I don't take shit from people. Look at the majority of criticism. Who's actually quoting what I say or using what I've written in the explanations and then refuting them? How many? Or how many are just going to say "Oh Effort should be higher" or "X player is too high". Tell me why. I get better when people give feedback. No PR is going to be perfect, but at least give me the courtesy of giving constructive feedback and general productive conversations. eonzerg as an example just likes to waltz in and take a steaming dump on the PR just because he has too big of a raging boner for Effort. Ok bud, where were you when Effort was getting eliminated from every Ro16 group 3 times in a row? That's the problem I have with most of the criticism on the page. | ||
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Yanokabo
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6830 Posts
so much love,this is like when Real Madrid vs Barcelona happens,you are enemy of your friends but when the day is over handshake  | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On October 23 2018 01:46 BigFan wrote: I believe FlaShFTW's post was basically saying that people are coming in weeks after the month has started, saying things should be changed despite not providing any information, or countering the clear points in the OP then closing off with one line comments as if they know better. These rankings were pretty spot on overall for October, but obviously some changes will likely take place for the November one given recent form, and results. In this case people complained from the start. And there were several well reasoned critiques (obviously some one liners but so what? This is a forum and repliers are not the official writers). And then they piled on after. Every power rank is subjective but this one had a point that seemed extra bad, and it got a commensurately big reaction. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2751 Posts
Whoop whoop! | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On October 23 2018 17:57 Navane wrote: "There, he would have his ZvT tested against expected winner Last, which will be a matchup filled with fireworks and dynamic Starcraft." Whoop whoop! Whooop whooop! | ||
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iopq
United States1068 Posts
On October 21 2018 23:06 Incomplete..ReV wrote: I really don't see the problem. Power Rankings are, as far as I can see, a lot more about recency bias than historically based. Where history is more of a tipping point in cases of doubt, than anything else. + Show Spoiler + And it's not like there's a huge difference between Effort and Action in the ranking. They're right by each others' side. Action had come back from the army and showed increasingly stronger form, whereas effort hadn't performed really well in any ASL og KSL for a long time. In doubt between the two, I can easily see it tipping towards Action. Ya'll fanboys going apeshit over nothing. But having that said, Effort really had some of the most beautiful ZvT I've seen in a while, except for G1 and G4 which were more on the opposite end of the specter. I play fantasy football, and fantasy football rankings are supposed to be PREDICTIVE. They don't always rank players with better recent performance above good players that have a few bad games. For example, Mitchell Trubisky despite his high recent scores is NOT a better QB than Tom Brady. To release a ranking like this would be embarrassing even if you rank Trubisky just one spot above Brady. The point is Action should have been more like #7 or lower, DESPITE good recent performances. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 23 2018 20:52 iopq wrote: I play fantasy football, and fantasy football rankings are supposed to be PREDICTIVE. They don't always rank players with better recent performance above good players that have a few bad games. For example, Mitchell Trubisky despite his high recent scores is NOT a better QB than Tom Brady. To release a ranking like this would be embarrassing even if you rank Trubisky just one spot above Brady. The point is Action should have been more like #7 or lower, DESPITE good recent performances. Power rankings, for me at least, has always been about summing up recent narratives from a personal stand point. It tended to be written by people who have a good eye for story telling, and created discussion points about the hottest players around at that moment in time, in a ranking format. Quite frankly, if people had predictive powers, they would be off doing stocks and raking in money on betting sites, not wasting time writing long opinion pieces about the hottest players around at the moment. I sure as hell wouldn't envy the dude expected to have an accurate predictive piece that withstands the test of time for weeks on end. Things like player condition, luck of the draw, practice dynamics (who gets help or advice from whom), order of maps for any given series, are variables which are nearly impossible to pin down ahead of time, despite playing a huge role in deciding the outcome of competions. Requiring a higher standard of power rankings is fine, but asking accurate predictive pieces on the competitive form of players in the weeks or months to come is a ridiculously tall task for anybody. | ||
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iopq
United States1068 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
You're going into a reggaeton club and complaining that the music is in Spanish. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6830 Posts
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TT1
Canada10028 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KkWHg0Z.jpg) what a great finals, LONG LIVE BW | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On October 28 2018 17:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: the worse power rank in history. hombre, por favor + Show Spoiler + | ||
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