Larva / ZOTAC / my "anger" - Page 2

On December 05 2017 08:41 Chrh wrote:
who wasn't mad, anyone who was actually there to watch good games was mad. Entire finals was a giant waste of time. i had a great time watching the rest of the tourney. Especially the NA / SA one. All that build up then giant let down of a guy who is way better then anyone else there just trolling. No other pro would have done that. I just lost what little respect for larva i had when he did it. Its one thing to disrespect a opponent of equal skill. Its quite another to do it the way it was done.

And in some sports humiliation is part of the experience, but the participants know it beforehand.

We plan on doing more events like this so I am going to get really used to hearing how people think I am mad or not funny or need the attention etc.. been happening since SOTG and will continue. I'm still just gonna keep showing up and making the majority of the people happy

On December 05 2017 09:57 supernovamaniac wrote:

Participants don't know all the BM that might come from a match in any sports, just anticipation that something can happen depending on the seriousness of the competition + the competition that they're playing for.

i.e. Fighting Games: Yes, due to how community accepted banter/some BM that can be entertaining as 'ok' rather than downplaying them. But they don't know that its going to happen, they know it MAY happen (because within rules).

On December 05 2017 10:10 todespolka wrote:


You don't have to know what will come. Some examples are enough. Also fighting game players have seen other events, they know that people don't take these humiliations serious.

Your argument:
It would be very complicated if you had to know every little detail in life. Can you only drive a car if you have driven the car on every street and place on the planet? The human mind is excellent at knowing what is allowed and what not by a few examples.

He also apparently had stuff mistranslated and doesn't understand my humor so he was uncomfortable with the interview.. I really don't give a damn though because it equates to Larva didn't like being trolled in his winners interview after he trolled Legendary. Felt like it was fair game to me O_o

On December 05 2017 08:58 Hawk2 wrote:
Obviously the internet is awful at giving criticism. I like your normal style of casting and I think people should take your word there was no ill will. But that style of casting in the finals did not mesh well with what was going on and was just such a stark contrast from all of the unadulterated laughter from the other casters that it broke the flow so to speak.

Anyway these are just my thoughts take from them what you will, I hope Zotac was fun for you and that there can be more Starcraft events in the future.

On December 05 2017 10:59 DoctorHot wrote:
Geoff, I'm a longtime fan, and I just wanted to say that I'm proud of how much better you've gotten at this kind of thing. You're so much smarter and you've learned so much over the last 10 years. You're really great, keep it up!

On December 05 2017 10:45 FlaShFTW wrote:

Incontrol has been a mainstay in our community since the early 2000s. You really think a random redditor is going to tell incontrol what his problems are? Cmon dude, be smarter than that.

On December 05 2017 10:21 dsyxelic wrote:
Personally I don't think it was malicious or anything, especially now that I know the context.

However I do think that it was a very poor cast by your standards as someone who has been in the scene for a long while. Like I get that fatigue is definitely a thing and anyone would be tired, but the other guys held up just fine and was able to maintain a certain quality while on air.

Even if the comments/perceived attitude/jokes were not malicious, it came off very poor. I don't think it comes to a surprise that trying to make deadpan jokes when a translator is involved (one who isn't a professional translator to boot) won't be very effective.



Like I said before, I feel like you should rethink your jokes when a translator is involved, especially when he's not a very good one. Even as an American your joke there can be taken weird, and as a Korean it's probably like 'what the fuck is that question' especially if not given the right context.

I think from an English-speaking perspective your joke wouldn't be TOO weird though I'd be definitely wondering why you wanted to talk about my weight randomly, especially as a leading question, but I can always ask after the interview why. However you'd be much better off providing the context. For example "So Larva, the casters and I were joking around and an interesting topic came up where we talked about thigh size..." -> question. That would remove ALOT of possible confusion even with a amateur translator.



I pretty mcuh agree. Rather than the jokes being offensive, I just think the casting for the finals by incontrol was below par. I just chalked it up to fatigue and probably being out of it since he definitely look tired but I'm slightly disappointed from this post that he didn't just say something like "My bad was pretty tired and as a result it showed. Forgot that context is important when making jokes with foreigners. I wasn't angry or offended by Larva, just needed good rest to make better jokes."

On December 05 2017 11:07 iNcontroL wrote:


Hey man. My jokes were about as bland and innocuous as they get. Want to tell me which jokes you think were obviously over the line and I need to "rethink" ? I also did in my post say I was tired and I said my jokes aren't always funny.. I also talk about how I thought I was trolling too much so I stopped talk as much.. like, what do you want? Nothing you said here is new or not what I said already. It's like you think someone can cast for 22 hours and be perfect the entire time.

He also apparently had stuff mistranslated and doesn't understand my humor so he was uncomfortable with the interview.. I really don't give a damn though because it equates to Larva didn't like being trolled in his winners interview after he trolled Legendary. Felt like it was fair game to me O_o

On December 05 2017 11:43 dsyxelic wrote:


My point wasn't that the jokes were over the line and that you need to rethink the content. That was not what I was getting at all.

My concern wasn't the content of your jokes, but recognizing that poor delivery of those jokes can come off bad.

If you're going to make a deadpan joke like that about asking his weight/weight of his thighs, you have to

A) Take into account that your translator is not a professional and the harder the joke is to get for people who speak your language, the harder it will be for someone who doesn't and needs it translated. As someone who speaks both languages, his translations were obviously amateur level and he clearly was not at the level where he could convey those type of deadpan jokes well. I'm sure everyone knew that he was not a professional translator. I know you acknowledged that the nature of your jokes has been criticized for a while by people who don't know you well and that it's nothing new - that's why it's probably a good idea to be a bit more aware of how badly it can be taken when a translator and foreign language is involved.

B) Giving context is important well. If you just throw out "Can I ask him how much he thinks his thigh weighs" with 0 context to the interviewee, obviously he will be confused and won't understand the joke. It's basically an inside joke without the interviewee being let in on it. This applies to both to people who speak your language and those who don't, but obviously even more so to the latter.

No one is asking for perfection here. I understand you are tired, it clearly showed. But there's a difference between completely absolving yourself from responsibility and just owning up to the fact that the conditions were bad so you as a result weren't at your best.



This comes off as more of casting blame at everything besides your own (translation, not understanding your humor, etc). These are all to a degree true, but making a post clarifying about how you weren't angry or upset and then not acknowledging at all how people can understandably perceive you as so only help to further that initial impression you might have given.

It would better serve you to acknowledge how some people could have taken you that way, address things that could be done better on your end (though of course still acknowledge what things out of your control could have gone better like you did here), and then wrap it up from there.

It's not like every single person who thought you were upset is out to get you or anything, some were legitimate first impressions. All my friends who saw the reddit clip of Larva playing with his foot all said that they thought one of the casters was upset/salty. And these are guys who have no idea who you are so there's no bias there. You can ignore me if you want but just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents as another guy who is pretty impartial to all this and just want to continue to see high quality casting/production in BW.