EPTOf course, if she doesn't pursue assault charges, then it's not (legally) assault.
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
Of course, if she doesn't pursue assault charges, then it's not (legally) assault. | ||
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The Intrepid
Canada205 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10680 Posts
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
Typical bullshit witch hunt on the internet, trying to ruin the life of people. Sea fighting! | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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bigmetazltank
34 Posts
On September 10 2017 23:09 r.Evo wrote: I suspected that that's your approach here, and you're absolutely wrong. Insider trading is something entirely different and usually about using confident information which a company insider (aka employee) uses to gain an advantage when selling or buying stocks. I'm aware they're different. The idea is the same however: using insider information to get better odds than the public can reasonably expect to achieve. If I bet on college football, am friends with the starplayer of the team, learn from his facebook or a casual chat that some event happened that will most likely make them underperform massively and I then use said information as a cause for betting against his team then there is nothing illegal about hat. This isn't insider trading in any way shape or form and you're welcome to try and find a case that treats it as such. It is illegal in some nations to use insider information in the gambling process. If a star player makes a comment about his condition on Facebook, he's making his status public for everyone to know. As long as your Facebook posts can be accessed by their intended recipients (eg. their friends), then any information spread from said post can be considered public. Your example is not illegal because said person made the information public. Now, if Sea kept his information private long enough so Mr. Mo was able to put odds against Sea when Sea was still the clear favourite to beat Piano? That's using private information, that the bookies are completely unaware of, for the sole purpose of getting a leg up on everyone else. By the time the public knew about Sea's eye ailment, Mr. Mo's lucrative odds were already locked in. In a lot of sporting leagues, players and staff are banned from betting on their own sports for this reason. This is completely ignoring the fact that Mr. Mo is engaging in illegal sports betting in the first place. Even if there was nothing wrong with his conduct with Sea, he's still engaging in illegal activity. Now, admittedly bragging about such a thing in public is plain stupid since at the very least it draws unwanted attention. Having a financial relationship with the guy is also questionable, but no clear evidence that something fishy is going on. As you said yourself the casters of the game had access to the same information for example. I'd be willing to bet (ha!) that he also mentioned something like this on stream or in an interview at least once - otherwise where would the casters get this info from on matchday Yes, there's no evidence of Sea actually throwing matches from this but there's lot of evidence that he doesn't really see a problem with engaging in illegal gambling, considering he's fraternizing and accepting donations that he knows were achieved via illegal means, or even cheating in sponsored matches. The only reason why these allegations become actual issues is because Sea has a pretty rubbish reputation as a streamer. If this was Jaedong, we'd dismiss these issues straight up. The guy plays to win, has shown that he only cares about winning, and has a reputation of being completely straight when it comes to playing fair. And he'd very unlikely tell some dude engaged in illegal sports betting that he has a busted wrist and is going to lose against Jaehoon. I don't give a shit if Sea played for Teamliquid. Anyone who screen cheats in a $100 3 vs. 3 showmatch is either extremely naive or lacks moral fortitude in general. And anyone willing to cheat in a $100 (that's $100, I earn that in two hours) showmatch is no doubt willing to do way more for way more money. | ||
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paxconsciente
Belgium91 Posts
I love starcraft, but after 12 years of following the scene. playing the game and interacting with many koreans i'm really starting to hate their culture with a raging passion, everything just feels like highschool, grow up. no offense, of course. i'm saying all of this out of genuine concern for the sc scene. they nearly killed BW over one players matchfixing scandal, what's next? | ||
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Furaha
Germany271 Posts
On September 11 2017 05:45 WhatisProtoss wrote: This thread is useless. If you're going to hurl accusations at someone, you need references. While there is controversy surrounding conduct during a broadcast with a woman, it was just a public opinion matter. Sea put his hand on the shoulder of a woman, and this sparked some criticism from viewers, so he was suspended for 7 days. There is no "dark side" to him. Koreans love to sensationalize things and cut clips to make it look worse than it was. The girl was laughing and joking with him. Sea tried to hug her, and she shoved him away, laughing. Then she felt bad that he was lying there after being shoved, so she grabs his arm and "allows" him to put his arm around her shoulders. Go watch his stream and decide for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcazXPmL0XAsaScA-kq-Akg/featured Well... Since I am a girl it probably gives more weight to what I say about this. It is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous sorry. The girl is laughing all the time and in the end she even drags him back to herself. Not sure if Sea got into a trap and this girl is (however) looking for some fame... Also I am wondering how and who was pointing a finger on him that this is sexual harassment... Ridiculous... Simply ridiculous.... | ||
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bigmetazltank
34 Posts
On September 12 2017 19:01 paxconsciente wrote:they nearly killed BW over one players matchfixing scandal, what's next? It was more than one of the greatest zergs of all time engaged in match fixing. It was like half of Hite Sparkyz's proleague lineup (go.go, type-b, fake Yellow), Luxury who won a MSL and Hwasin who was a top 10 terran for a very long time. These weren't just one or two players that people don't really care about. These were proleague A teamer and frequent RO16 players. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On September 11 2017 09:52 Ancestral wrote: What happened on the video is pretty clearly assault, if she didn't want him to do it, which it seems from the video she didn't. Of course, if she doesn't pursue assault charges, then it's not (legally) assault. ??? It's either assault or it isn't, legally and in general. If the alleged victim does not press charges it just reduces the odds of the alleged perpetrator being tried. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 12 2017 19:10 bigmetazltank wrote: It was more than one of the greatest zergs of all time engaged in match fixing. It was like half of Hite Sparkyz's proleague lineup (go.go, type-b, fake Yellow), Luxury who won a MSL and Hwasin who was a top 10 terran for a very long time. These weren't just one or two players that people don't really care about. These were proleague A teamer and frequent RO16 players. If there's any progamer that warrants a hate thread it's Luxury. I personally never had a problem with match fixers (which would warrant discussion on its own without the blind hate even mentioning it gets), but the guy literally exploited his handicapped wife for money and beat her to the point of sending her to the hospital. As far as I'm concerned rehab wouldn't hurt Sea and it would be the only proactive solution to what happened, but Asian culture in general doesn't see alcohol abuse as a problem. | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8697 Posts
op content aside, not sure about saying sea has a "dark side" but as a korean who watches his stream very occasionally, he is definitely not the kind of guy you would....bring home to your parents for example. he says and does a lot of retarded shit and overall seems like an uneducated fellow. in korean i would call him "개념없어" which basically means he lacks common sense | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On September 12 2017 19:18 Alur wrote: ??? It's either assault or it isn't, legally and in general. If the alleged victim does not press charges it just reduces the odds of the alleged perpetrator being tried. That's not true. If she says "he was flirting with me and I was starstruck and asked to be punched, for I knew how great an honor it would be if the great Yumbo Sung punched me, and it would make my life perfect forever and I could kill myself after. I signed a contract stating that Yumbo Sung must punch me with a peak force of between 175 Nm and 210 Nm, and that I would pay him 1 billion won to do so." | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On September 13 2017 05:07 Ancestral wrote: That's not true. If she says "he was flirting with me and I was starstruck and asked to be punched, for I knew how great an honor it would be if the great Yumbo Sung punched me, and it would make my life perfect forever and I could kill myself after. I signed a contract stating that Yumbo Sung must punch me with a peak force of between 175 Nm and 210 Nm, and that I would pay him 1 billion won to do so." If that's what happened it was never assault in the first place. If she's lying it's still assault*. Once again, it's just unlikely to be prosecuted because the facts are obscured. If I punch a stranger for no good reason, but he later denies that it even happened, an assault still took place, it's just unlikely that I'll face the consequences. (*This assumption is purely for the sake of argument. This is not a statement on whether or not I think Sea's actions were actually against the law.) | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1449 Posts
On September 12 2017 19:02 Furaha wrote: Well... Since I am a girl it probably gives more weight to what I say about this. It is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous sorry. The girl is laughing all the time and in the end she even drags him back to herself. Not sure if Sea got into a trap and this girl is (however) looking for some fame... Also I am wondering how and who was pointing a finger on him that this is sexual harassment... Ridiculous... Simply ridiculous.... wtf the girl isn't looking for fame. Shes a fellow BJ sea does a lot of collaboration stream with Stop pointing fingers when you dont even know people involved | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On September 13 2017 17:17 Alur wrote: If that's what happened it was never assault in the first place. If she's lying it's still assault*. Once again, it's just unlikely to be prosecuted because the facts are obscured. If I punch a stranger for no good reason, but he later denies that it even happened, an assault still took place, it's just unlikely that I'll face the consequences. (*This assumption is purely for the sake of argument. This is not a statement on whether or not I think Sea's actions were actually against the law.) I didn't pay attention to the part you highlighted, sorry. I was also imprecise. By "doesn't pursue assault charges" I was including "didn't personally view it as assault and was complicit to some extent by acknowledging it as flirting and indulging in it." I didn't mean "did personally view it as assault but chose not to take any action." | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17730 Posts
On September 12 2017 20:11 r33k wrote: If there's any progamer that warrants a hate thread it's Luxury. I personally never had a problem with match fixers (which would warrant discussion on its own without the blind hate even mentioning it gets), but the guy literally exploited his handicapped wife for money and beat her to the point of sending her to the hospital. As far as I'm concerned rehab wouldn't hurt Sea and it would be the only proactive solution to what happened, but Asian culture in general doesn't see alcohol abuse as a problem. Are you aware that Luxury was later found not guilty of the domestic violence charges? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/448600-luxury-found-not-guilty-of-domestic-violence-charges I'm not saying if I disagree with you or not. Its just I wonder if there are any people out there who just saw the initial thread about Luxury and never saw the thread after. | ||
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Furaha
Germany271 Posts
On September 13 2017 18:00 jinjin5000 wrote: wtf the girl isn't looking for fame. Shes a fellow BJ sea does a lot of collaboration stream with Stop pointing fingers when you dont even know people involved I am not pointing a finger on her... Read the sentence correctly please... it says "NOT SURE IF" Fame seeking girls and friends of Progamers are nothing spectacular though XD~ | ||
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