EPThe always talks about his penis!!
it's a very nice penis as i understand it.
The dark side of Sea - Page 2
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CHEONSOYUN
606 Posts
he always talks about his penis!! it's a very nice penis as i understand it. | ||
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shall_burn
252 Posts
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Sheridan
60 Posts
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bigmetazltank
34 Posts
On September 10 2017 12:37 r.Evo wrote: Could you explain what a) makes those bets illegal from your point of view and why b) you're not just bringing this forward towards law enforcement if you know the real name of the guy? Gambling, in the form they're practicing, is illegal in South Korea. Not just that, Sea is telling the gambler that he's injured and probably going to lose. That's quite possibly the most benign reading you can give to the situation. Which takes a lot of benefit of the doubt when you take into account said gambler is giving Sea a bucketload of money via balloons. It might not be straight up match fixing but he's basically implicitly telling his mates to bet against him because he's injured well before the general public knew. That's basically insider trading, which is illegal in just about every country that I know of, in the already illegal industry that is underground gambling. Its not like Sea has a rock solid reputation when it comes to this sort of stuff. The dude screen cheated in a 3 vs. 3 sponsored match by telling his teammates Flash and Mong what races their opponents were. Unfortunately, it seems to be a general problem with progamers in general since Jaehoon got busted for the exact same thing. I dunno if they're just naive or weren't brought up with proper morals, since they spent their entire adolescence trapped inside dorm rooms playing video games, but it seems to be a general problem with Korean progamers. As for the guy in question, I figure he's already been dealt with law enforcement thanks to Zeus. | ||
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shall_burn
252 Posts
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
On September 10 2017 15:55 shall_burn wrote: Also, why only Protoss players would attend massage parlours? Does it have anything to do with archons (big shiny balls, sometimes red)? Or with the fact that carriers resemble Ds? Were protoss players more horny than zergs and terrans back in the day? Terran and Zerg players too busy practicing. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 10 2017 17:30 Sr18 wrote: Terran and Zerg players too busy practicing. Terran and their wrist problems... Can't be just due to 'practising'... | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
Just don't watch this kind of stream and give your view to people who actually play the game and work hard to improve. Thanks anyway for providing more information on Sea. | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 10 2017 15:28 CHEONSOYUN wrote: i love watching sea!! he always talks about his penis!! it's a very nice penis as i understand it. I see, very well put. | ||
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TT1
Canada10045 Posts
On September 10 2017 05:51 Judgement wrote: To accuse someone that they may or may not have done something without giving evidence(screenshots videos pictures statements from other people in writting) and just accept that your words are the truth. Okay lemmata is a pretty trustworthy source tho i dont think he's the type of person who'd lie about something like this, he has nothing to gain from it | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On September 10 2017 15:45 bigmetazltank wrote: Gambling, in the form they're practicing, is illegal in South Korea. Not just that, Sea is telling the gambler that he's injured and probably going to lose. That's quite possibly the most benign reading you can give to the situation. Which takes a lot of benefit of the doubt when you take into account said gambler is giving Sea a bucketload of money via balloons. It might not be straight up match fixing but he's basically implicitly telling his mates to bet against him because he's injured well before the general public knew. That's basically insider trading, which is illegal in just about every country that I know of, in the already illegal industry that is underground gambling. I suspected that that's your approach here, and you're absolutely wrong. Insider trading is something entirely different and usually about using confident information which a company insider (aka employee) uses to gain an advantage when selling or buying stocks. If I bet on college football, am friends with the starplayer of the team, learn from his facebook or a casual chat that some event happened that will most likely make them underperform massively and I then use said information as a cause for betting against his team then there is nothing illegal about hat. This isn't insider trading in any way shape or form and you're welcome to try and find a case that treats it as such. Now, admittedly bragging about such a thing in public is plain stupid since at the very least it draws unwanted attention. Having a financial relationship with the guy is also questionable, but no clear evidence that something fishy is going on. As you said yourself the casters of the game had access to the same information for example. I'd be willing to bet (ha!) that he also mentioned something like this on stream or in an interview at least once - otherwise where would the casters get this info from on matchday? If money gets exchanged and Sea underperforms because of receiving said money, that's matchfixing and they should both be dealt with - but you're not bringing forward any evidence for that actually occuring. Instead your chain of thought is: "this is information not everyone has" -> "this is insider information" -> "this is basically insider trading which is illegal" -> "this is illegal" but that comparison fails from the very start and is hence massively misleading by throwing a few buzzwords in there that people associate with: "Oh, yeah, that's bad!". Me being a buddy of Sea, him telling me that he has an issue with his eye-sight and me using that information to bet against him is not illegal in the jurisdictions I'm aware of. On September 10 2017 18:53 TT1 wrote: lemmata is a pretty trustworthy source tho i dont think he's the type of person who'd lie about something like this, he has nothing to gain from it He posted an almost two-year old screenshot of himself talking about "Sea being a huge moron" and referring to him as "brain-dead retarded" while also ranting about how evil this Jojeho character is. He's also framing the information about the eye ailment as something illegal when the casters of the game had access to the same information - these things alone make me doubt the storyline that refers to this as some kind of top secret information that only this guy got from Sea personally with the intent of matchfixing or something similar. I don't know if lemmata has any history here that should make him highly trustworthy, but at the very least this seems like a grudge that has been going on for at least close to two years - and now is seemingly the perfect time to celebrate in public how he has always thought that Sea is an idiot and hence deserved his ban while throwing in buzzwords such as "insider information" without actual evidence for that being related to anything malicious in this case. The entire OP is basically "The Dark Side of Mr. Mo (a guy who donates a lot of money to Sea (and apparently other streamers) and who Sea talks to)" - that alone makes me a bit wary here. Sure, it's definitely bad that he associates with that type of guy but is that really about Sea and should be seen in the same context as the latest story that lead to his ASL ban? Why is this brought forward in it's own post now, when public opinion is unsure/negative about the guy? Why is this Mr. Mo character not in jail for what is alleged here? | ||
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fish_radio
182 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
On September 10 2017 17:56 RouaF wrote: Main problem is a lot of people prefer this kind of streaming, see how terror and sea streams are popular. It was the same for sc2, the "bad boys" (naniwa, idra) were always the most popular. Same shit with camgirls streams or "entertaining" (aka 12year old mentality) streamers. As long as you keep giving money/attention to this kind of people they will keep doing what they're doing. Just don't watch this kind of stream and give your view to people who actually play the game and work hard to improve. Thanks anyway for providing more information on Sea. But remember that Sea isn't just streamer, he's legit top terran and was in ASL finals, he isn't called "Online King" for nothing as he dominated online tournaments post KeSPA era, don't even get me started with KeSPA era. I agree, lately he's trying to go Terror way and that's why his stream is blowing up, can't blame him for it though. Bit less drinking, inviting girls and more strictness will put him in right way. I don't agree with OP and don't see any dark side of him. Sure, he isn't innocent lamb but accusing him that he damages pro scene is TOO MUCH. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1728 Posts
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Symbioth
Poland103 Posts
This is because it damages the person's reputation regardless of whether they are ultimately proven guilty or innocent. Even if all of the charges are proven to be a misunderstanding or some kind of a nasty plot against the accused and a statement about their innocence is released, it doesn't matter - the repution of the accussed still suffers significant damage; and that is not fair. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
While there is controversy surrounding conduct during a broadcast with a woman, it was just a public opinion matter. Sea put his hand on the shoulder of a woman, and this sparked some criticism from viewers, so he was suspended for 7 days. There is no "dark side" to him. Koreans love to sensationalize things and cut clips to make it look worse than it was. The girl was laughing and joking with him. Sea tried to hug her, and she shoved him away, laughing. Then she felt bad that he was lying there after being shoved, so she grabs his arm and "allows" him to put his arm around her shoulders. Go watch his stream and decide for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcazXPmL0XAsaScA-kq-Akg/featured | ||
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thezanursic
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