• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:04
CEST 04:04
KST 11:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202552RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams7Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing RSL Season 1 - Final Week
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Post Pic of your Favorite Food! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 682 users

Power Rank - ASL4 Edition

Forum Index > BW General
75 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal

Power Rank - ASL4 Edition

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byShiroiusagi, v1
September 9th, 2017 20:29 GMT
Gigamatch

With ASL4 just around the corner, here's another Power Ranking to help satisfy your cravings! Without further ado, please go ahead and read our own rankings, post your own in the comments below, and feel free to discuss to your heart's desire!
 

#1: Flash [image loading]
[image loading]
Last season we still ended up trying to make a point. We really don’t need to this time...don't even try to argue this one.



 

#2: Last [image loading]
[image loading]
Last is still the “other Terran” to Flash, and while he’s still up there in skill and results, when it comes to his matchups, it's a far cry from his Afreeca dominance in 2016. His TvT especially hasn’t been on par recently, which is pretty ironic considering TvT was the matchup that put Last on the map.


 

#3: Bisu
[image loading]
Bisu has been laddering hard since the launch of Remastered and maintaining a top 3 spot in the global ranking. His biggest weakness in his ASL runs is that he doesn’t seem to have the answers to players who have prepared specifically against his playstyle. He can be weak against the mind games of his opponents, leading to very uncharacteristic losses for him. Very few players can actually do that to him though, and Bisu never makes the same mistake twice.

 

#4: Soulkey
[image loading]
Placing 3rd/4th in the previous ASL with one of the hardest paths and then taking FlaSh to five games is an absolutely incredible feat. On top of that, he finished third in the SSL Classic, bolstering his resume even more. Soulkey’s been feeling very confident lately with his play, and this ASL might be his chance to shine.

 

#5: EffOrt
[image loading]
Despite a consistent pattern of getting eliminated before bracket play in the ASL, EffOrt did win the SSL Classic after pretty much killing the round robin and then easily taking the finals against free. So congratulations to EffOrt for finally stepping up and justifying a high ranking, but he still has to prove he has what it takes in the ASL.

 

#6: Larva
[image loading]
Now, I know what you might all be thinking: "Omg, why is Larva so high with literally no good finishes on his resume?" Okay, hear us out. Larva has been improving so incredibly well that it’s difficult to put him lower than 10th in this ranking. He also finished second at the Thrill Starleague Season 3. He’s beaten FlaSh in Bo3s on stream, and he’s been rapidly improving all aspects of his game. As long as he doesn’t choke in an offline setting, he definitely deserves his spot at #6.

 

#7: Mind
[image loading]
Most of you probably haven’t been following Mind so closely and might question his high placement at #7. A brief history of Mind: he’s won two tournaments in the past four months, and he’s been on a similar trajectory as Larva. His games have been clean and his playstyle reinvigorated. He's looking really strong in every matchup.


 

#8: Jaedong
[image loading]
There are generally two parties when it comes to overall thoughts on Jaedong. The first screams that he’s still the Dong and the Tyrant. The other screams that he’s a washed up scrub that can’t play anymore. And truth be told, he has gotten far worse than his KeSPA days, which is what makes ranking him so difficult. It was his ZvT against Flash and Last that did him in during ASL2 and ASL3 respectively, but Jaedong has always dialed it up to 11 when his tournament chances were on the line, and with the maps for ASL4 being quite appealing for Zergs, maybe this time he'll swing it in his favor.

 

#9: BeSt
[image loading]
BeSt’s PvT is still a nightmare for Terrans, and his other matchups have improved. His PvZ is no longer complete dumpster tier—though his corsair control still is—and his PvP has also been a solid rock in his arsenal. BeSt is always the kind of player you expect to make top 8, and there’s no exception with this tournament, regardless of the strength of the field.

 

#10: Shine
[image loading]
Shine’s status in the Power Ranking has been hot topic among the staff. It's undeniable that his run last season was nothing short of miraculous, but much like Shuttle after his ASL1 victory, we just don’t see it happening again. Shine probably deserves to be lower, since we really haven’t seen much or heard from him since. But give respect where it’s due: Shine always surprises us.

 

#11: Light
[image loading]
Light is one of those solid players who has steadily improved his game after coming back to Brood War. His TvP still leaves a lot to be desired, but his TvZ is still monstrous (and there are plenty of games to catch on this, especially against Jaedong, Soulkey and EffOrt). But we’ve felt his play has improved enough to where he deserves #11, especially when he managed to place third in the HoSic BJ S2 in a pretty stacked field. Lucky for him, there’s not too many Protosses in the ASL this time around.

 

#12: Rain
[image loading]
Rain has shown that he’s here to play and not just a wannabe SC2 transition player. He’s played some fantastic games so far, and his PvT hasn’t missed a beat. Winning the HoSic BJ S2 over Last early in 2017 is a pretty noteworthy sign of things to come, but his previous disappointing finish in the ASL3 does have us yearning for more. We believe Rain is still on the right path and can potentially deliver a deep run in the ASL...well, maybe if he stopped spending time doing other less moral things on stream....

 

#13: Snow
[image loading]
Snow’s fantastic reaver/carrier build in PvT, especially combined with pretty good carrier maps like Crossing Field and Gold Rush, are great signs for the Winter Soldier. While his PvZ still has much to be desired, the rest of his game is still very solid, and his rapid improvement gives him a spot at #13.


 

#14: sSak
[image loading]
Now before you get upset for why a mediocre Terran is ranked this high over people like Stork and hero, hear us out. Look at sSak’s path in the ASL3 for a moment. He went undefeated in groups against hero, Rain, Jaedong, and Last and then took Bisu to five games. He’s a solid player, and we fully expect him to make it to groups with a real shot at getting to the bracket. Getting deep in the bracket is the real challenge for him now.

 

#15: hero
[image loading]
hero’s slump continues, and honestly we don’t see an end to it any time soon. His ZvP has started to slip along with the rest of his matchups, and he went from being contender to make deep runs in tournaments to a guy who can barely scrape by into the Ro16. Until he figures out something in his place, he’ll remain further down in the PR.

 

#16: Mong
[image loading]
Mong had a surprisingly good run in the last ASL where he made it into the Ro8 by beating Soulkey, Shuttle, BeSt, and GuemChi—by no means a small feat. However, in any other tournament, he’s failed to deliver, and while the majority of those players listed have improved their games, we feel Mong simply hasn’t been able to improve his. He’s still good enough to make the Ro16 with an easier group, but in a more challenging group, expect an earlier exit.

 

#17: Stork
[image loading]
Stork has said himself that he’s kind of taking competitive StarCraft less seriously, and it shows. It’s difficult to put Stork any higher than 15 based on his current performance. Most of us want him to succeed, but it seems like he’s much more happy just streaming and having fun with the game these days—and who can really blame him with streaming culture getting bigger and bigger? Sadly, it’s going to impact his play, and he’ll need the luck of the draw to get into Ro16 or deeper.

 

#18: Mini
[image loading]
Mini has always been a thorn in the side of solid players but struggles against the more mediocre ones. If he’s not able to mirror his play against the best to the regulars, then he’s probably not making it out of the Ro24.


 

#19:Sky
[image loading]
Ha Neul, to those who do not know, was a rookie in Hwaseung OZ back in the KeSPA, frequent practice partner to Jaedong and Killer, and followed up pretty early in the post-KeSPA era as one of its early best players. Now he's looking to reclaim that former glory, but he's up against some tough competition.


 

#20: Shuttle
[image loading]
Flash is immune to mortal curses like the champion’s curse, but Shuttle is not. He was swiftly relegated to the back of the pack following his stunning ASL1 win and has failed to show any results since. After a timely exit last season, one can only hope to see the Eyewater rise again.


 

#21: Killer
[image loading]
Despite circumstances leading Killer into the current season, we need to remind ourselves that Killer was one of the best Zergs in the scene prior to his enlistment. Unfortunately, while he has shown a fair amount of his skills on his stream, it's still not up to par of what it used to be. Given that he hasn’t been back long, expect a lot of “booth rust” from him.

 

#22: HiyA
[image loading]
HiyA is all but gone from active streaming, opting to go and work a regular job. It's quite a surprise that despite his competition, he still managed to make it into the tournament. In any case, we don't expect him to make it far, and it's unlikely his tournament run will go as deep as his qualifier run.


 

#23: Sharp
[image loading]
Sharp all but disappeared from public light since his quick exit from his ASL2. Since then, he failed to even make it into last season and hasn't really accomplished anything else in the meantime. Maybe a resurgence is in order for him? We're not quite sure, but he definitely rounds out the bottom of the pack right now.


 

#24: Rush
[image loading]
Rush was once a player of great promise with excellent understanding and execution in all three matchups but a few severe weaknesses. He lacked experience playing against better opponents, and his playstyle is so by the book that it makes him predictable and easy to counter. Decent mechanics and understanding will only take you so far.


 

#25:Ample
[image loading]

Another mediocre Terran who hasn’t really made a splash. He’s failed to do much in the ASL, and that trend is unlikely to change anytime soon.


 

#26:Firebathero
[image loading]
Firebathero made it in on his third try in Busan, but when it comes to the actual tournament, it's unlikely we’re going to see the brilliance of this Ajae. It's still amazing that he qualified though. We can say this about FBH: we really hope he gets out of groups so we can see some of his ceremonies and some funny stuff at the group stage ceremony. Otherwise, he’s just not that good anymore.

 

#27: Lazy
[image loading]
Lazy is a talented player with some decent chops, but against championship quality players, we don't expect him to go far. What few tournament games we've seen from him aren't particular inspiring either.


 

#28:Where
[image loading]
Also known as MisO, Where is a rookie from ASL2, but he’s started to become a more familiar face around these parts. Still, rookies are rookies. MisO probably won't make a splash in this tournament.


 

Writers: BLinD-RawR, FlashFTW
Graphics: v1
Editors: BigFan, EsportsJohn
Photo Credits: DailyEsports
 
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 09 2017 20:35 GMT
#2
Thanks for the power ranking! Really hard to place these guys imo but it looks reasonable enough i think. It's tough without a regular league goig on (proleague), i guess spon matches could be a big deciding factor?

One thing i personally would appreciate are some indicators which show us the direction of each player since last PR. So basically arrow up/down and how many places he changed. That would be sweet

I really hope Larva can show his A game this ASL, also cheering for JD (obviously) and Rain.
What's this about: "well, maybe if he stopped spending time doing other less moral things on stream...." Watching girl streamers?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
September 09 2017 22:17 GMT
#3
I still and forever will believe in the Dong. Nice write up
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
September 09 2017 22:23 GMT
#4
Would appreciate to have rankings go from bottom to top
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10154 Posts
September 09 2017 22:26 GMT
#5
On September 10 2017 07:23 duke91 wrote:
Would appreciate to have rankings go from bottom to top

this is always how Brood War power ranks have been formatted.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 09 2017 22:29 GMT
#6
On September 10 2017 07:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 07:23 duke91 wrote:
Would appreciate to have rankings go from bottom to top

this is always how Brood War power ranks have been formatted.

While that is true the other way around adds a bit of suspense. I don't really care one way or another (though for the community PRs i did i also went from lowest to highest place)
What about some arrows or similar indicators? I think that would really add something
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden515 Posts
September 09 2017 22:55 GMT
#7
On September 10 2017 07:23 duke91 wrote:
Would appreciate to have rankings go from bottom to top


scroll down to bot of page and start from there
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
September 09 2017 23:09 GMT
#8
On September 10 2017 07:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 07:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 10 2017 07:23 duke91 wrote:
Would appreciate to have rankings go from bottom to top

this is always how Brood War power ranks have been formatted.

While that is true the other way around adds a bit of suspense. I don't really care one way or another (though for the community PRs i did i also went from lowest to highest place)
What about some arrows or similar indicators? I think that would really add something

I would like arrows too if it was a monthly rank like before in kespa days. But now its more an estimation of their performance going into an ASL. Last Power Rank was 4-5 months ago.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 09 2017 23:34 GMT
#9
On September 10 2017 08:09 tanngard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 07:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On September 10 2017 07:26 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 10 2017 07:23 duke91 wrote:
Would appreciate to have rankings go from bottom to top

this is always how Brood War power ranks have been formatted.

While that is true the other way around adds a bit of suspense. I don't really care one way or another (though for the community PRs i did i also went from lowest to highest place)
What about some arrows or similar indicators? I think that would really add something

I would like arrows too if it was a monthly rank like before in kespa days. But now its more an estimation of their performance going into an ASL. Last Power Rank was 4-5 months ago.


We've honestly talked a lot about monthly power rankings, but it's hard to get a good hang of where players are without tournaments going on constantly. You can't deny that we definitely have some dry periods throughout the year where nothing is going on for 4-6 weeks at a time. Maybe that will change with the resurgence of Brood War in Korea, though.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 09 2017 23:36 GMT
#10
BTW, for the record, I ranked Mind at #3 right after Flash and Last. Mind is really really really good right now, I would not be surprised to see him in the finals. I think Soulkey and Shine are also way overrated, although they are really good players.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 00:07:01
September 09 2017 23:45 GMT
#11
Too low:
(Z)MisO [#28] - It seems MisO qualifying was a surprise to everyone but me and Raelcun. Not only does he regularly kill good players in the KCM, but his qualifying game against Mind [#7] was really good.
(T)firebathero [#26] - Out of all the Ajae players, FireBatHero is currently the only one who can still go. All of them have solid build orders and early game micro, but FireBatHero has lategame multitasking and a wealth of experience. Whoever put him below fucking Ample and HiyA should step barefoot on some LEGO™.
(Z)Shine [#10] - I'm not surprised to see TeamLiquid staff being racist against creative players! People keep forgetting he mostly wins using solid fundamentals and mechanics. Quote myself from a week ago: When he was playing against Snow I had [Snow's] stream open too, and Snow was taking it kind of seriously and focusing on the game. Meanwhile, Shine's kid is talking to him, yanking on his shirt and pointing at the screen, and Shine is laughing and having a good time. Then a fight starts and Shine goes "daddy's got to go to work" or whatever and JUST KILLS PEOPLE.
(P)Sky [#19] - Sky is currently the undisputed #1 on the global ladder, and he regularly shits on good players. You can't convince me that any of you looked at his perfect Shuttle/DT drops to come back in a losing game, or his triple manner Pylon into Zealot pressure, or his QUADRUPLE SHIELD BATTERY IN HIS OPPONENTS MAIN TO BLOCK THE DRAGOON FROM COMING OUT AND THEN MURDERING HIM, and just thought "yeah he looks ok I guess, I don't need to mention any of that in the writeup." Barefoot, LEGO™.
(T)Mong [#16] - But only by a few spots. People are forgetting that Mong was instrumental in his team winning the GTB when he almost all-killed Team BeSt, taking out (P)BeSt, (P)JangBi, and (P)Rain. He does not deserve a lower rank than (Z)hero and (T)sSak.

Too high:
(T)Mind [#7] - Are you kidding me? Here are his latest games:
- He lost vs (P)Mini [#18]
- He lost vs (P)Shuttle [#20]
- He lost vs (P)BeSt [#9]
- He lost vs (T)Last [#2]. His last wins were in June -- what has he done for me lately? And don't get me started on his amazing qualifying run where he lost to fucking (Z)MisO [#28]. He's the most shaky Terran pro out there right now... and let's not forget Mind was the player Shine just murdered in the qualifiers to make it into ASL Season 3.
(T)Flash [#1] - Nah I'm kidding, he's unstoppable. The only thing that can end his run this season would be the sheer volume of people coming at him with nutty builds because beating him at 15 minutes is impossible. Even then I'm pretty sure he'll weather it all easily.

In all seriousness, thanks for the Power Rank writeup, folks! You're all awesome. It's so good to have some hype-generating content leading into the ASL today. =)
TL+ Member
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
September 09 2017 23:51 GMT
#12
Yeah Flash looks really unstoppable. He broke 1300 Elo for the first time today and has 85% spon matches win rate.....
Life is just life
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1423 Posts
September 10 2017 00:26 GMT
#13
Go firebathero <3
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 10 2017 00:29 GMT
#14
You know the event is stacked when Rain and Snow are #12 and #13 :o
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
September 10 2017 00:39 GMT
#15
Sea is either too high or too low in this ranking list, I can't even find him. /s
sunbeams are never made like me...
chawinski
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia98 Posts
September 10 2017 00:51 GMT
#16
How is Rain #12...
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
September 10 2017 00:55 GMT
#17
Larva, last, and mind overrated. I'm looking to them to disappoint everyone.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
September 10 2017 01:12 GMT
#18
Snow is back now? Cool stuff
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 10 2017 01:29 GMT
#19
Why isn't this spotlighted?
TL+ Member
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 10 2017 01:39 GMT
#20
I had Shine at 5. Bag of Builds owns when it counts.

Lots of online hope used in this PR.

Stork is determined to do well to not lose his viewers.

FBH! FBH! FBH!

WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 03:01:35
September 10 2017 02:59 GMT
#21
Seriously, why isn't this on the front page already, spotlighted or otherwise? It's the only bit of ASL hype we have and the tournament starts in 7 hours.

Edit: Also, are any staff members going to post tournament threads for group play? Last year we had threads that looked like this, rather than the plaintext crap I can come up with.
TL+ Member
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
September 10 2017 03:04 GMT
#22
God the old ASL threads were beautiful.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 10 2017 03:09 GMT
#23
They were.
TL+ Member
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 10 2017 03:24 GMT
#24
On September 10 2017 11:59 Aylear wrote:
Seriously, why isn't this on the front page already, spotlighted or otherwise? It's the only bit of ASL hype we have and the tournament starts in 7 hours.

Edit: Also, are any staff members going to post tournament threads for group play? Last year we had threads that looked like this, rather than the plaintext crap I can come up with.


I was having issues with the horribly outdated interface and gave up in frustration. BigFan or another admin will take care of it soon, hopefully.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
September 10 2017 03:27 GMT
#25
On September 10 2017 11:59 Aylear wrote:
Seriously, why isn't this on the front page already, spotlighted or otherwise? It's the only bit of ASL hype we have and the tournament starts in 7 hours.

Edit: Also, are any staff members going to post tournament threads for group play? Last year we had threads that looked like this, rather than the plaintext crap I can come up with.


This. I was expecting to see ASL shit all over the frontpage. But nothing.

This power rank put a tear in my eye though. Amazing :´)
the interesting thing about this quote is that youll only understand whats interesting when youre done reading it. ǝɯıʇ ɹn ƃuıʇsɐʍ n ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 10 2017 03:50 GMT
#26
On September 10 2017 11:59 Aylear wrote:
Seriously, why isn't this on the front page already, spotlighted or otherwise? It's the only bit of ASL hype we have and the tournament starts in 7 hours.

Edit: Also, are any staff members going to post tournament threads for group play? Last year we had threads that looked like this, rather than the plaintext crap I can come up with.

Here you go, courtesy of Blind RawR http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/526662-asl-ro24-group-a
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 04:24:18
September 10 2017 04:23 GMT
#27
Sad, but understandable that my boy sKyHigh didn't make the power rankings. One matchup wonders are hurting from such a wide pool of opponents.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 10 2017 04:26 GMT
#28
It's not that he's a one-trick pony, he didn't make the rankings because he's not in ASL4 ^_^
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
September 10 2017 04:50 GMT
#29
Maybe edit the part about Hiya. He's back to streaming.
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 10 2017 05:26 GMT
#30
On September 10 2017 05:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Thanks for the power ranking! Really hard to place these guys imo but it looks reasonable enough i think. It's tough without a regular league goig on (proleague), i guess spon matches could be a big deciding factor?

One thing i personally would appreciate are some indicators which show us the direction of each player since last PR. So basically arrow up/down and how many places he changed. That would be sweet

I really hope Larva can show his A game this ASL, also cheering for JD (obviously) and Rain.
What's this about: "well, maybe if he stopped spending time doing other less moral things on stream...." Watching girl streamers?


Wow, what's up with Rain? He seems like such a straight and serious guy, just like his play-style. Hope he hasn't walked down the dark path of streaming...
gg no re thx
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 10 2017 05:33 GMT
#31
Progamers must be pure and chaste
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 10 2017 05:44 GMT
#32
Not a bad PR. I think sSak, Shine, Mini and Hiya could be higher. sSak has shown that he can be stupid good when you least expect it. His current ranking doesn't factor that in that much imo. Shine made the finals yet he's that low. Sure, he's not as good mechanically as others but he's also shown to be creative and smart. Mini is mini lol and as for Hiya, old bias here but he should be much higher. He's been around since the Sonic days so even though he may not stream as much recently, I'm sure his form can be comparable to other "stronger" players.

On September 10 2017 14:26 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 05:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Thanks for the power ranking! Really hard to place these guys imo but it looks reasonable enough i think. It's tough without a regular league goig on (proleague), i guess spon matches could be a big deciding factor?

One thing i personally would appreciate are some indicators which show us the direction of each player since last PR. So basically arrow up/down and how many places he changed. That would be sweet

I really hope Larva can show his A game this ASL, also cheering for JD (obviously) and Rain.
What's this about: "well, maybe if he stopped spending time doing other less moral things on stream...." Watching girl streamers?


Wow, what's up with Rain? He seems like such a straight and serious guy, just like his play-style. Hope he hasn't walked down the dark path of streaming...

I'm sure you can find out yourself if you see his stream
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 10 2017 06:00 GMT
#33
On September 10 2017 14:33 c3rberUs wrote:
Progamers must be pure and chaste


Protoss must be pure and chaste!

(As opposed to Terran savages and Zerg scum)
gg no re thx
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
September 10 2017 06:20 GMT
#34
This is one of the more reasonable lists you guys have made. I'm okay with it.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
TL+ Member
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
522 Posts
September 10 2017 06:24 GMT
#35
We believe Rain is still on the right path and can potentially deliver a deep run in the ASL...well, maybe if he stopped spending time doing other less moral things on stream....


? he plays starcraft?
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 10 2017 06:25 GMT
#36
On September 10 2017 15:20 Wolf wrote:
This is one of the more reasonable lists you guys have made. I'm okay with it.

This almost sensible approach makes me question your abilities as a caster!
TL+ Member
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 06:52:18
September 10 2017 06:51 GMT
#37
Anyone who says some players deserve to be higher should list an equal number of players that deserve to be be lower. Not like that guy who listed 5 players that should be higher and only 1 player who should be lower. Anything else is just intellectually dishonest.

It's just like ahead of every World Cup in soccer where at least 10 teams say they "deserve" to reach the semis, which only 4 teams can reach. Reaching the quarter-finals is seen as a complete failure even though that means you are one of the top 8 teams in the world. National coaches get fired all the time over such basic lack of math.

People should stop being so entitled, especially on behalf of others.
Tyrant.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 10 2017 07:04 GMT
#38
Is Jae Zedong for real, or does he not understand the concept of arguing about power ranks for fun?

I'm just wondering if he's always a jerk.
TL+ Member
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
September 10 2017 07:07 GMT
#39
Rain and hero too low imo.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
September 10 2017 07:16 GMT
#40
On September 10 2017 16:07 TT1 wrote:
Rain and hero too low imo.


About time someone other than ol' Faustypoo thinks hero is gosu.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
September 10 2017 07:17 GMT
#41
i retract my statement, hero's rank is fine
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
heyitsMiro
Profile Blog Joined November 2016
83 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 07:21:16
September 10 2017 07:20 GMT
#42
Gross. Feel like at least 9 of these are out of place.


The first two are correct though, definitely.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
September 10 2017 07:21 GMT
#43
On September 10 2017 16:20 Carnations wrote:
Gross. Feel like at least 9 of these are out of place.


The first two are correct though, definitely.


first 3
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3095 Posts
September 10 2017 07:25 GMT
#44
I think Stork will do good this ASL. He's looked really strong on stream against Flash and his play looked real strong in the Qualifiers. Hoping to see him to make it far.
Artosis loves Starcraft
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 07:41:08
September 10 2017 07:40 GMT
#45
Yeah well I don't seen Mind living up to these expectations, he's clearly too high here. Larva and EffOrt will probably choke as usual, but they still deserve their rank. Snow is too high and Mong a bit too low. I'm fine with the rest

Also now I really need to check Rain's stream...
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
September 10 2017 08:15 GMT
#46
I think this PR is really solid. Nothing jumps out to me as being completely out of place.

I would like to see Snow higher but I'm confident by the end of the tournament he will be :D
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
September 10 2017 08:27 GMT
#47
to be honest, theres nothing more exciting than the prospect of any player proving the rankings wrong.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
BeaSteR
Profile Joined May 2009
Sweden328 Posts
September 10 2017 08:32 GMT
#48
Hope Shine can surprise once again, was amazing to see his special tactics last season!
Greed is good
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 10 2017 08:35 GMT
#49
Someone needs to start a Rain stream thread and keep the passion alive...
gg no re thx
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3095 Posts
September 10 2017 08:55 GMT
#50
I might check out Rains stream more from now on. So I can see what is going on. Sounds like he does crazy stuff on his stream.
Artosis loves Starcraft
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
September 10 2017 09:55 GMT
#51
As usual some questionable positions but in general I agree. Mind is kinda high though.
TequilaMockingbird
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany64 Posts
September 10 2017 10:00 GMT
#52
Can someone please explain the reference with Rain doing "other less moral things on stream" ?
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 10:31:37
September 10 2017 10:30 GMT
#53
I have been watching basically any StarCraft I can find with Aylear over the last year and a half and I have to say this powerrank feels very steeped in very old performances and biased by the histories of these players as opposed to their performance in the last year or so.

Too Low:
(Z)MisO [#28] This is criminal. He has been on a very large upswing in all of the things he's been playing in recently and taking out very solid players and putting together large winstreaks in winner stays on format events. He definitely needs to be above Stork and Shuttle at the very least. He should be up at around 15 ideally.
(P)Sky [#19] He's been destroying everyone on the ladder.
(T)sSak [#14] I still think he's an idiot for admitting on stream he was planning to evade mandatory military service, but still one of the scarier terrans around.
(T)firebathero [#26] He has shown a lot of impressive games on his stream, he plays long hours of grinding out practice with barely any screwing around when he plays.
(Z)Shine [#10] This feels like the new Shuttle from ASL 1. He's been playing well in a lot of events since the last ASL and everyone seems to be writing off his performance from the last one. He had a hard time getting practice for the last tournament and is currently ranked high enough on the ladder he's playing with all the top players regularly.
(T)Mong [#16] I feel like he should be up around in the 13 range. He's been very solid recently.




Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.
(Z)Larva [#6] He has been improving A LOT but he has a history of dropping the ball in ASL, so especially if players are going to get ranked low despite one high finish, I don't understand why he's at #6
(T)Mind [#7]Seriously, I don't understand this at all. He hasn't done anything recently.
(T)Light [#11] Completely failed to impress me in the last few months.


Strange:
(P)Snow [#13] Snow is a gigantic X factor. His playstyle is difficult to predict at times and he does things that are frankly insane and somehow makes them work. He should be above a lot of the people that are higher than him, but he probably still deserves to be in the 11-15 range.
(P)Shuttle [#20] Criminally underrated in ASL1 and then he just stopped practicing. He seemed to switch to just being a BJ for several tournaments as he basically never played on stream. Recently, he's been playing hard again and it's hard to place him as he's taking out good players, but still seems inconsistent. Much better than he was last ASL but probably wouldn't put him above 18

That all being said, compiling these types of lists is very difficult and much respect to the staff who had to make a lot of difficult decisions.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
September 10 2017 10:31 GMT
#54
Ayyy my boys Shine and Hiya are still kicking around, so happy to see that. I did a couple writeups on Shine and The Fishiking what seems like forever ago.

I still follow results but haven't watched as much as I'd like to, looking to remedy that!
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
September 10 2017 11:05 GMT
#55
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.


So this means you think Soulkey is the second best BW player alive?

It's so so easy to cherry pick individual players you think "deserve" to be higher without taking into consideration how the list would turn out if you actually implemented your changes. Sometimes a player gets a "high" ranking not because he is dominating, but because no one else besides Flash is dominating either.

I commend you for at least naming a few players you think deserve to be lower, but putting Last and Bisu behind Soulkey is bizarre.
Tyrant.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 11:10:06
September 10 2017 11:07 GMT
#56
On September 10 2017 20:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.


So this means you think Soulkey is the second best BW player alive?

It's so so easy to cherry pick individual players you think "deserve" to be higher without taking into consideration how the list would turn out if you actually implemented your changes. Sometimes a player gets a "high" ranking not because he is dominating, but because no one else besides Flash is dominating either.

I commend you for at least naming a few players you think deserve to be lower, but putting Last and Bisu behind Soulkey is bizarre.

Jesus Christ stop taking it so seriously. Power Ranks are for fun, arguing about Power Ranks is for fun. You're an old man yelling at everyone to stop having fun.
TL+ Member
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 11:09:44
September 10 2017 11:09 GMT
#57
On September 10 2017 20:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.


So this means you think Soulkey is the second best BW player alive?

It's so so easy to cherry pick individual players you think "deserve" to be higher without taking into consideration how the list would turn out if you actually implemented your changes. Sometimes a player gets a "high" ranking not because he is dominating, but because no one else besides Flash is dominating either.

I commend you for at least naming a few players you think deserve to be lower, but putting Last and Bisu behind Soulkey is bizarre.


You're thinking about this wrong. I didn't list Soulkey as being too low because I think putting him at 4 is fair. I just don't think Bisu and Last are the #2 and #3 players right now. If anything, I'd probably push soulkey down to 5 or 6 but I'm not going to mention that for pushing him down 2 places and you could make an argument for him being as high as 4.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
September 10 2017 11:20 GMT
#58
I don't even want to argue with the ranking of Stork but with the content of his description. He mentioned chilling out and trying to be more entertaining in January or so. Since then, especially in the past month, he's been the last man streaming numerous times. Just yesterday I watched him play with Firebathero around 21-22 CEST. That's like 3-4 am in Korea.

He's still not back at where I think he should be (and whatever, who am I) so he'll be something of a black horse tomorrow, I think but writing what has been written here doesn't do justice to current Stork, I think.

Disclaimer: Fanboy, I am, of course, still hoping to keep it objective.
The heart's eternal vow
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-10 11:36:09
September 10 2017 11:34 GMT
#59
On September 10 2017 20:07 Aylear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 20:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.


So this means you think Soulkey is the second best BW player alive?

It's so so easy to cherry pick individual players you think "deserve" to be higher without taking into consideration how the list would turn out if you actually implemented your changes. Sometimes a player gets a "high" ranking not because he is dominating, but because no one else besides Flash is dominating either.

I commend you for at least naming a few players you think deserve to be lower, but putting Last and Bisu behind Soulkey is bizarre.

Jesus Christ stop taking it so seriously. Power Ranks are for fun, arguing about Power Ranks is for fun. You're an old man yelling at everyone to stop having fun.


What's your fucking problem? I am discussing the power ranks, I'm not telling anyone to stop having fun.

I was having fun until you decided to call me a "jerk" on the previous page. I didn't reply because I didn't want to stoop that low, but here you are again derailing the discussion.

I am of the opinion that the power rank is generally correct. I have every right to question criticism of it.

On September 10 2017 20:09 Raelcun wrote:
You're thinking about this wrong. I didn't list Soulkey as being too low because I think putting him at 4 is fair. I just don't think Bisu and Last are the #2 and #3 players right now. If anything, I'd probably push soulkey down to 5 or 6 but I'm not going to mention that for pushing him down 2 places and you could make an argument for him being as high as 4.

Alright, fair enough.
Tyrant.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
September 10 2017 11:37 GMT
#60
On September 10 2017 20:07 Aylear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 20:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.


So this means you think Soulkey is the second best BW player alive?

It's so so easy to cherry pick individual players you think "deserve" to be higher without taking into consideration how the list would turn out if you actually implemented your changes. Sometimes a player gets a "high" ranking not because he is dominating, but because no one else besides Flash is dominating either.

I commend you for at least naming a few players you think deserve to be lower, but putting Last and Bisu behind Soulkey is bizarre.

Jesus Christ stop taking it so seriously. Power Ranks are for fun, arguing about Power Ranks is for fun. You're an old man yelling at everyone to stop having fun.

Idk man, it feels like you need to stop taking him seriously and eh, do this thing called "arguing about Power Ranks" ^_^
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
September 10 2017 11:38 GMT
#61
On September 10 2017 20:34 Jae Zedong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 20:07 Aylear wrote:
On September 10 2017 20:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.


So this means you think Soulkey is the second best BW player alive?

It's so so easy to cherry pick individual players you think "deserve" to be higher without taking into consideration how the list would turn out if you actually implemented your changes. Sometimes a player gets a "high" ranking not because he is dominating, but because no one else besides Flash is dominating either.

I commend you for at least naming a few players you think deserve to be lower, but putting Last and Bisu behind Soulkey is bizarre.

Jesus Christ stop taking it so seriously. Power Ranks are for fun, arguing about Power Ranks is for fun. You're an old man yelling at everyone to stop having fun.


What's your fucking problem?


On September 10 2017 15:51 Jae Zedong wrote:
Anyone who says some players deserve to be higher should list an equal number of players that deserve to be be lower. Not like that guy who listed 5 players that should be higher and only 1 player who should be lower. Anything else is just intellectually dishonest.

It's just like ahead of every World Cup in soccer where at least 10 teams say they "deserve" to reach the semis, which only 4 teams can reach. Reaching the quarter-finals is seen as a complete failure even though that means you are one of the top 8 teams in the world. National coaches get fired all the time over such basic lack of math.

People should stop being so entitled, especially on behalf of others.

This. If you can't see this as being needlessly aggressive and hateful then I don't know what to tell you.

Do me a favor: Don't be a jerk your whole life.
TL+ Member
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 10 2017 22:47 GMT
#62
On September 10 2017 20:38 Aylear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 20:34 Jae Zedong wrote:
On September 10 2017 20:07 Aylear wrote:
On September 10 2017 20:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.


So this means you think Soulkey is the second best BW player alive?

It's so so easy to cherry pick individual players you think "deserve" to be higher without taking into consideration how the list would turn out if you actually implemented your changes. Sometimes a player gets a "high" ranking not because he is dominating, but because no one else besides Flash is dominating either.

I commend you for at least naming a few players you think deserve to be lower, but putting Last and Bisu behind Soulkey is bizarre.

Jesus Christ stop taking it so seriously. Power Ranks are for fun, arguing about Power Ranks is for fun. You're an old man yelling at everyone to stop having fun.


What's your fucking problem?


Show nested quote +
On September 10 2017 15:51 Jae Zedong wrote:
Anyone who says some players deserve to be higher should list an equal number of players that deserve to be be lower. Not like that guy who listed 5 players that should be higher and only 1 player who should be lower. Anything else is just intellectually dishonest.

It's just like ahead of every World Cup in soccer where at least 10 teams say they "deserve" to reach the semis, which only 4 teams can reach. Reaching the quarter-finals is seen as a complete failure even though that means you are one of the top 8 teams in the world. National coaches get fired all the time over such basic lack of math.

People should stop being so entitled, especially on behalf of others.

This. If you can't see this as being needlessly aggressive and hateful then I don't know what to tell you.

Do me a favor: Don't be a jerk your whole life.


Power Ranks sometimes bring out the worst in people. Everyone needs to remember that these are just opinions and are open to debate; it is 100% completely fair to debate whether someone "deserves" to be higher or lower. There's no reason to make any of this personal.

Also, stop feeding the troll.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10154 Posts
September 10 2017 23:02 GMT
#63
On September 10 2017 19:30 Raelcun wrote:
I have been watching basically any StarCraft I can find with Aylear over the last year and a half and I have to say this powerrank feels very steeped in very old performances and biased by the histories of these players as opposed to their performance in the last year or so.

Too Low:
(Z)MisO [#28] This is criminal. He has been on a very large upswing in all of the things he's been playing in recently and taking out very solid players and putting together large winstreaks in winner stays on format events. He definitely needs to be above Stork and Shuttle at the very least. He should be up at around 15 ideally.
(P)Sky [#19] He's been destroying everyone on the ladder.
(T)sSak [#14] I still think he's an idiot for admitting on stream he was planning to evade mandatory military service, but still one of the scarier terrans around.
(T)firebathero [#26] He has shown a lot of impressive games on his stream, he plays long hours of grinding out practice with barely any screwing around when he plays.
(Z)Shine [#10] This feels like the new Shuttle from ASL 1. He's been playing well in a lot of events since the last ASL and everyone seems to be writing off his performance from the last one. He had a hard time getting practice for the last tournament and is currently ranked high enough on the ladder he's playing with all the top players regularly.
(T)Mong [#16] I feel like he should be up around in the 13 range. He's been very solid recently.




Too High:
(P)Bisu [#3] as much as it hurts to say it, I want him to be number three, but he just hasn't put the performance out there at all. He shows flashes of brilliance but nothing worthy of putting him at number 3
(T)Last [#2] This is a holdover from when Brood War was still starting to return and Flash had come back and started showing Terrans how to play again. He hasn't put forth an impressive finish in quite a long time but everyone still insists he's solidly #2 behind Flash.
(Z)Larva [#6] He has been improving A LOT but he has a history of dropping the ball in ASL, so especially if players are going to get ranked low despite one high finish, I don't understand why he's at #6
(T)Mind [#7]Seriously, I don't understand this at all. He hasn't done anything recently.
(T)Light [#11] Completely failed to impress me in the last few months.


Strange:
(P)Snow [#13] Snow is a gigantic X factor. His playstyle is difficult to predict at times and he does things that are frankly insane and somehow makes them work. He should be above a lot of the people that are higher than him, but he probably still deserves to be in the 11-15 range.
(P)Shuttle [#20] Criminally underrated in ASL1 and then he just stopped practicing. He seemed to switch to just being a BJ for several tournaments as he basically never played on stream. Recently, he's been playing hard again and it's hard to place him as he's taking out good players, but still seems inconsistent. Much better than he was last ASL but probably wouldn't put him above 18

That all being said, compiling these types of lists is very difficult and much respect to the staff who had to make a lot of difficult decisions.

sky destroying everyone on ladder doesnt mean anything when you go into tournaments when he cant win. im glad to prove a lot of people wrong with our power ranks. also you clearly havent looked at tournament results with mind and light. you say you've watched a lot of starcraft, we'll just see how good that knowledge of yours is when the games are actually played out. Larva impressive as ever in that group so im always happy to prove people wrong.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
September 11 2017 04:01 GMT
#64
Either Flash will win a third consecutive ASL or we'll have a lame ZvZ finals. History dictates it.
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-11 05:59:36
September 11 2017 05:58 GMT
#65
Real Power rankings:

1. (P)Snow
2. (P)Bisu
3. (P)Rain
4. I guess (T)Flash...
5. Everyone else.
31. Shine. Since hydra busts will be banned in ASL 4

Ya'll are biased and I see right through you.
Sweet.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
September 11 2017 23:41 GMT
#66
Great ranking :-)

I think Mind and Soulkey are too high (especially Mind) while Shuttle and Mong are too low (especially Shuttle).

And Last... + Show Spoiler +
deserved his #2 spot, even though he's already out of the ASL. He's an incredible beast that's been taking out all top pros left and right on streams, and it's shocking he's out so early.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10154 Posts
September 12 2017 01:10 GMT
#67
On September 11 2017 14:58 rackdude wrote:
Real Power rankings:

1. (P)Snow
2. (P)Bisu
3. (P)Rain
4. I guess (T)Flash...
5. Everyone else.
31. Shine. Since hydra busts will be banned in ASL 4

Ya'll are biased and I see right through you.

sorry to break your bubble but Killer already did a hydra bust vs Sky day 1 xD
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
September 12 2017 03:24 GMT
#68
On September 12 2017 10:10 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2017 14:58 rackdude wrote:
Real Power rankings:

1. (P)Snow
2. (P)Bisu
3. (P)Rain
4. I guess (T)Flash...
5. Everyone else.
31. Shine. Since hydra busts will be banned in ASL 4

Ya'll are biased and I see right through you.

sorry to break your bubble but Killer already did a hydra bust vs Sky day 1 xD

Finals is going to be Shine vs Killer.
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
September 12 2017 05:07 GMT
#69
Completely missed this. Thanks for the awesome write up!
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
September 12 2017 15:13 GMT
#70
Awesome power rank, I'm so hyped for this tournament!~

As much as I like seeing Bisu ranked all the way at #3, I'm not certain the spot is deserved... Hoping he will prove that he deserves a top three spot!
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 12 2017 16:28 GMT
#71
Haha nobody has yet mentioned what it is Rain does on stream :p

First rule of fight club?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
September 13 2017 04:44 GMT
#72
oh no, I was referencing shuttle's comments and the fact that almost half the time its actually true when I tune into rain's stream

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26646231
On August 02 2017 12:54 Letmelose wrote:
Shuttle's thoughts translated.

6. On Rain

"In my opinion, Rain is superior to both SnOw and Mini. I haven't checked his ELO, or overall records in sponsored games, but I can just tell by watching him play. The way he uses his units, his multi-tasking, and overall gaming abilities are all superior. He is truly Bisu's successor. The only thing that's stopping him is the fact that he wastes all his time staring at boobies. He's the kind of player who can do great things if he practices hard."
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
522 Posts
September 13 2017 04:53 GMT
#73
all you need to do is watch his stream. he just loves watching female africans!!

very frustrating because i always want to see him play but i always catch him giving commentary and analysis on various women...
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
September 13 2017 05:31 GMT
#74
And just when I thought you couldn't get more ridiculous than calling people BJs...
On September 13 2017 13:53 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
all you need to do is watch his stream. he just loves watching female africans!!

Demurity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States424 Posts
September 26 2017 12:53 GMT
#75
Rain is severely underrated here. Do people forget that he was on his way to being #2 to bisu before he left to dominate the sc2 scene? Then he came back and his still at the top.
|Terran|
NilsonTOM
Profile Joined October 2017
1 Post
October 16 2017 12:24 GMT
#76
--- Nuked ---
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 56m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 278
RuFF_SC2 140
StarCraft: Brood War
sSak 120
NaDa 77
Sexy 77
Icarus 8
League of Legends
JimRising 629
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 408
Other Games
summit1g13189
shahzam960
Day[9].tv763
ViBE229
C9.Mang0198
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 102
• davetesta43
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 34
• Azhi_Dahaki14
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Day9tv763
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
8h 56m
Serral vs Cure
Solar vs Classic
OSC
11h 56m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 7h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 11h
CSO Cup
1d 13h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 15h
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.