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L_Master
United States7717 Posts
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B-royal
Belgium1327 Posts
On October 27 2017 16:08 JungleTerrain wrote: That's not what I meant, I know about BWAI. I mean like in Dota where Elon Musk's team made an AI that was better than pros and could beat them consistently to the point that people wanted to train against the AI for practice. As in, an actual legit challenge for a pro in a showmatch (vs Stork?). I wasn't specific enough because screw me Please don't intentionally spread misinformation. 1. the bot isn't consistently beating pro's. 2. it's 1v1 games which don't mean anything in a game like dota 3. the games had special rules/limitations such as no runes, no returning to fountain,... 4. the bot doesn't analyze pixels on the screen nor does it use a keyboard or anything as a form of input. This means it has a significant mechanical advantage. http://www.wildml.com/2017/08/hype-or-not-some-perspective-on-openais-dota-2-bot/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15000779 https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6t8qvs/openai_bots_were_defeated_atleast_50_times/ https://readwrite.com/2017/08/15/openai-bot-dota2-al1/ | ||
afreecaTV.Char
United States264 Posts
It will be streamed here - afreecatv.com/afstar1 | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3272 Posts
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lestye
United States3138 Posts
On October 28 2017 06:29 Dazed. wrote: I honestly dont know why anyone is interested in watching humans play vs ai. I mean, from one perspective, its inherently disinteresting as its a single player game, no competition. Snore. And on the other level, its even more boring, as the ai can only be competitive if it micros with 52397523950732 apm, something a human can not do. Which is not really 'intelligence' in any meaningful sense, so again, snore. I mean, ultimately the entertainment value depends on how good the AI is, seeing how the AI reacts to certain actions and how it copes with certain conditions can be interesting. | ||
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L_Master
United States7717 Posts
On October 28 2017 06:29 Dazed. wrote: I honestly dont know why anyone is interested in watching humans play vs ai. I mean, from one perspective, its inherently disinteresting as its a single player game, no competition. Snore. And on the other level, its even more boring, as the ai can only be competitive if it micros with 52397523950732 apm, something a human can not do. Which is not really 'intelligence' in any meaningful sense, so again, snore. Right now, yea. But as the AI gets better and offers more of a challenge with less ridiculous APM it should become more interesting. | ||
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JungleTerrain
Chile743 Posts
On October 28 2017 05:49 B-royal wrote: Please don't intentionally spread misinformation. 1. the bot isn't consistently beating pro's. 2. it's 1v1 games which don't mean anything in a game like dota 3. the games had special rules/limitations such as no runes, no returning to fountain,... 4. the bot doesn't analyze pixels on the screen nor does it use a keyboard or anything as a form of input. This means it has a significant mechanical advantage. http://www.wildml.com/2017/08/hype-or-not-some-perspective-on-openais-dota-2-bot/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15000779 https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6t8qvs/openai_bots_were_defeated_atleast_50_times/ https://readwrite.com/2017/08/15/openai-bot-dota2-al1/ If anyone is taking my vague comments on a game I don't even play on a forum that isn't even about that game as a credible source on the topic, that is not my problem. I'm just asking questions, and I actually find the topic interesting since BW is such a different game. And most of my information comes from this, I don't care to be really accurate on this topic, though. | ||
KwarK
United States35172 Posts
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Miragee
7325 Posts
On October 28 2017 14:21 KwarK wrote: That video is like if someone made a scout micro vs scourge bot and insisted warcraft 3 would never be the same again. Good comparison. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia3352 Posts
On October 28 2017 10:43 L_Master wrote: Right now, yea. But as the AI gets better and offers more of a challenge with less ridiculous APM it should become more interesting. Theres a thread on here somewhere about mining effiency, when your scvs mine minerals they will stop for a split second before returning the minerals.You can manually order the scv to return cargo and increase efficiency, which some pros will do very early game but some of these bots do it constantly through the whole game. As far as advantages go thats i think one of the biggest over human players and personally i think that feature should be disabled vs humans. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal3224 Posts
On October 29 2017 13:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Theres a thread on here somewhere about mining effiency, when your scvs mine minerals they will stop for a split second before returning the minerals.You can manually order the scv to return cargo and increase efficiency, which some pros will do very early game but some of these bots do it constantly through the whole game. As far as advantages go thats i think one of the biggest over human players and personally i think that feature should be disabled vs humans. That would completely defeat the purpose in my eyes...if I want to see "someone" win by having better decision making all around and being a little more efficient than the opponent I watch Flash. (please disregard this if you were only talking about that specific thing, nevertheless my principle would still apply to that) For me the point of having AI playing against humans is to be impressed with solutions and impossible tasks the AI can make in order to win a game. Those kind of "tricks" would show how far the game can be taken. Otherwise you would be hoping what? The AI invents strategies? The maps and scale of battles are small enough to have a big limitation on that. baiting and pushing the correct spots on the battle field to achieve a bigger win elsewhere on the map is something that pro's already do. Maybe new BO or BO optimization is what you want? | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11274 Posts
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
11/16~, Busan Flash Bisu Larva Hero are seed. This league will hold preliminary. 12 players from Preliminary + 4 players from seed So, it will start Ro16 And info about Zotac Cup. Larva will partucipate in Zotac Cup. 12/1~7 LA(USA) | ||
BigFan
TLADT23823 Posts
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GTR
48077 Posts
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LetaBot
Netherlands533 Posts
I am currently split between the BW bot and my new SC2 bot. But do tune in on the SSCAI stream after 20 December for the next AI tournament. There you'll see the new features of my bot in action. http://www.sscaitournament.com/ As for that showmatch vs Stork, Stork will win easily. I guess he simply lives close by the university, or was available at that time or something, which is why they picked him. | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
On October 29 2017 22:56 LetaBot wrote: I am currently split between the BW bot and my new SC2 bot. But do tune in on the SSCAI stream after 20 December for the next AI tournament. There you'll see the new features of my bot in action. http://www.sscaitournament.com/ As for that showmatch vs Stork, Stork will win easily. I guess he simply lives close by the university, or was available at that time or something, which is why they picked him. Well... Stork graduated Sejong university. And, AI cant play against Zerg or Terran. Only vs Protoss. So this university chose stork. | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
Some popular players will go army in January, so ASL5 will start right after ASL4. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT23823 Posts
On October 30 2017 12:56 K.H.J wrote: info about ASL5 Some popular players will go army in January, so ASL5 will start right after ASL4. who are these popular players? Bisu? Jaedong? Thanks for the info! | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia1945 Posts
Thanks for the updates man. | ||
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