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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 22 2017 03:10 BigFan wrote: umm BD was making a joke lol. He wasn't being serious. well it seems, that it's in all seriousness too time consuming and too "fragile" ( accidentely messing up is a big deal) to attract new editors. Then what Kibblex is saying has some merit. Why keep it, when it's way easier to port the data and start fresh? | ||
FO-nTTaX
Johto4942 Posts
On June 22 2017 04:02 Cele wrote: well it seems, that it's in all seriousness too time consuming and too "fragile" ( accidentely messing up is a big deal) to attract new editors. Then what Kibblex is saying has some merit. Why keep it, when it's way easier to port the data and start fresh? because that's just not that easy ^^ | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5062 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:34 BigFan wrote: Personally, I'd rather TLPD stayed separate from LP. Basically, the way it is now. When I go to TLPD, I'm usually there to just look at game records, find a certain vod etc... I'm not interested in reading background and other details about whatever it is I want to watch. + Show Spoiler [off-topic] + That and I also really don't like how LP recently changed its format. imo, it's worse now than before, sorry guys  Very on topic thread title wise. I initially thought OP would be about that and I'd like to echo that statement! | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 22 2017 07:02 Peeano wrote: Very on topic thread title wise. I initially thought OP would be about that and I'd like to echo that statement! you mean the separation portion? | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5062 Posts
No, I meant the separated portion; the spoilered bit.  | ||
Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
Throughout my time on TL, I don't think I've ever heard any TLPD contributors speak positively of it. It's very clear that the system works, but it's archaic and nobody wants to touch the code. If you really want a replacement that isn't the wiki, start one. Aligulac was created despite the existence of TLPD, and gained acceptance because it's basically a modern successor to it. The TLPD API is defunct as far as I know, but there's nothing stopping you from manually scraping match lists. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 22 2017 17:02 Peeano wrote: No, I meant the separated portion; the spoilered bit. oh I see, fair enough. On June 23 2017 00:48 Spazer wrote: Liquipedia changed layouts because mobile devices drive a lot of traffic, and having a unified codebase for the wikis cuts down on work when a change needs to be deployed. If you have complaints about it, use the Feedback Thread. Nothing will change if you just make vague disparaging remarks. Throughout my time on TL, I don't think I've ever heard any TLPD contributors speak positively of it. It's very clear that the system works, but it's archaic and nobody wants to touch the code. If you really want a replacement that isn't the wiki, start one. Aligulac was created despite the existence of TLPD, and gained acceptance because it's basically a modern successor to it. The TLPD API is defunct as far as I know, but there's nothing stopping you from manually scraping match lists. I'm not looking for change which is why I kept my comment quite simple and straight to the point. I don't like the new layout. Either way, I already know the benefits and discussed this with FO so not going to do it a second time. | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 23 2017 03:36 ldv wrote: I'll just say this. If the database were dumped somewhere, I'd write up a new API for it. On June 23 2017 00:48 Spazer wrote: there's nothing stopping you from manually scraping match lists. | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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ldv
United States103 Posts
Yeah that's never going to happen. | ||
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Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
If a dump of TLPD won't happen for technical, time, or motivational reasons, then what other recourse is there? There comes a point when you have to take matters into your own hands if you want something done. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 23 2017 10:58 Spazer wrote: Why not? When I wanted forum stats back in 2009, I didn't ask anyone for that data. I went and scraped the threads myself. It's not that hard. If a dump of TLPD won't happen for technical, time, or motivational reasons, then what other recourse is there? There comes a point when you have to take matters into your own hands if you want something done. well, would be satisfying for somebody who is motivated to know what kinda technical, time, or motivational reasons prohibit said Dump of the DB. I'm not a coder and i don't have the faintest idea how long it takes or how complicated it is. External people posting here with a coding background make it sound quite easy. The explanations given by TL Staff and LP editors in this thread have been quite vague so far for someone with my limited understanding of the subject. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
But: Start adding new maps to the TLPD! So many good new maps and no record of them! | ||
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 23 2017 22:29 Cele wrote: well, would be satisfying for somebody who is motivated to know what kinda technical, time, or motivational reasons prohibit said Dump of the DB. I'm not a coder and i don't have the faintest idea how long it takes or how complicated it is. External people posting here with a coding background make it sound quite easy. The explanations given by TL Staff and LP editors in this thread have been quite vague so far for someone with my limited understanding of the subject. I can't say how the backend or dumping works for TLPD. I don't have any more access to that than you. All I know is that working with adding stuff to TLPD is a nightmare. | ||
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Poly_Optimize
Canada156 Posts
If TLPD is not updated anymore, can we standardize the process and link all info page to liquipedia? The information would be much more accurate! | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
On June 23 2017 23:19 Epoxide wrote: I can't say how the backend or dumping works for TLPD. I don't have any more access to that than you. All I know is that working with adding stuff to TLPD is a nightmare. dumping the database is literally one command that everybody who ever worked with a database knows. if there's tables you have to exclude, it's a little more complicated, but not more than an hour's work for anyone who knows the database. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Of course at this point this is just a purely rhetorical discussion but I see only difficulties for both sides when approaching this with a scraper of my own type of a solution. If I'm missing out on something obvious or there's a reason only people with working knowledge are aware of feel free to disregard my comments. | ||
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thezanursic
5488 Posts
On June 23 2017 23:09 Alpha-NP- wrote: I think it would be cool to shutdown all pre-SCR content and keep it as a reference. I second this, maybe we should switch to an Alligulac like system for SC;R release, and keep TLPD as a time capsule since it's such a pain in the ass to deal with. | ||
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FO-nTTaX
Johto4942 Posts
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