EPTIt really isn't a huge issue, it's just a shame because it is such an interesting feature of this site, it would be a shame to let it go
What happened to the TLPD?
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thezanursic
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It really isn't a huge issue, it's just a shame because it is such an interesting feature of this site, it would be a shame to let it go | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19082 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
I don't wanna sound overly critical, i respect that every volunteer can only invest a certain amount of time, but as the op said: it's such a great feature, actually. | ||
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thezanursic
5488 Posts
On June 20 2017 00:15 tofucake wrote: It's a very time consuming and tedious job to update TLPD. Most staff who do it end up burning out after several months. Specifically for Brood War? I mean I honestly don't give a crap about the Starcraft 2 part of the TLPD, and it's entirely understandable how that is a time consuming job with hundreds of events every week, but when it comes to Brood War we have 1 or 2 events per month with a few dozen matches | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
On June 20 2017 00:15 tofucake wrote: It's a very time consuming and tedious job to update TLPD. Most staff who do it end up burning out after several months. on top of that you really have to make sure you don't screw up your work because its very hard for someone to undo it. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States347 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:31 f10eqq wrote: Couldn't we solve this by making it freely editable by anyone with a TL account like the wiki? I know I've wanted to add stuff to it before and not been able to figure out who to contact. My last post is exactly why we limit who can edit. | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
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DarkNetHunter
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On June 20 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote: Few weeks ago, an elderly lady wanted to have an explanation for a random xml-error message involving a wrong time stamp in line 83210 in her catalogue. She neither spoke English, could handle a PC, because she was accessing "the interweb" via iPad, or had any IT-relevant knowledge whatsoever. To analyse the .xml I could only use windows editor and had to refrain from using neologisms in the explanation via telephone with constant background noise, because she appeared to stand in range of a building being professionally dismantled. To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. This sounds like the TLPD interface could use an overhaul. I know R1CH or whoever originally designed TLPD probably has other things to do / on their mind, but could this be added to the list? TLPD was one of the features that brought me to TL and also made the site so much better than its competitors (and is an unrivaled feature even from what I've seen on Korean sites) | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:42 ldv wrote: What makes it so hard? This seems silly. It's 2017, web applications and databases aren't that difficult anymore. Oh, you have no idea how wrong you are :D | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:42 ldv wrote: What makes it so hard? This seems silly. It's 2017, web applications and databases aren't that difficult anymore. I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:50 sabas123 wrote: I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? I believe it's closer to 11 years. I think it was introduced in 06 or so? | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 20 2017 00:41 Cele wrote: that's a shame. I never imagined it to be that much work tbh? I mean we have not that many notable events that would need to be entered atm. in the foreign amateur DB, it's currently only filthy tour, HAY!, defiler tours and the big defiler tournament by yoda. No other starleagues, no other Team League. There's def. more korean events that would qualify for the post-kespa korean DB, but i imagine it's possible to make a cut and include only the big events before you don't update at all? im not well informed about the notable korean tours that are in progress atm. I don't wanna sound overly critical, i respect that every volunteer can only invest a certain amount of time, but as the op said: it's such a great feature, actually. On June 20 2017 03:39 BigFan wrote: I believe it's closer to 11 years. I think it was introduced in 06 or so? On June 20 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote: Few weeks ago, an elderly lady wanted to have an explanation for a random xml-error message involving a wrong time stamp in line 83210 in her catalogue. She neither spoke English, could handle a PC, because she was accessing "the interweb" via iPad, or had any IT-relevant knowledge whatsoever. To analyse the .xml I could only use windows editor and had to refrain from using neologisms in the explanation via telephone with constant background noise, because she appeared to stand in range of a building being professionally dismantled. To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. On March 17 2016 04:24 GeckoXp wrote: Against ICCup: - Rule 6, developer is lazy - is good Russian architecture, monument to MS Frontpage, yes yes So let me put it this way, i have no experience with the TLPD code and didn't know it was so old. But if somebody who ever used it can confirm to me that it's as bad as; worse; or at least nearly as bad as the ICCup server and webpage code; i'll say this: I was horribly wrong with my previous statement in the worst kind imaginable. I profoundly apologize to all parties involved and to every single person who ever had to work with it. My ingratitude and self-centred attitude towards you was very much uncalled for and out of line. I will eternally seek your forgiveness, even though im unworthy of it. + Show Spoiler + That's how bad ICCup code was from my PoV. If TLPD is anything alike, i wouldn't dare to use that monstrosity. And ICCup code is only 8 to 9 years old i think? | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:31 f10eqq wrote: Couldn't we solve this by making it freely editable by anyone with a TL account like the wiki? I know I've wanted to add stuff to it before and not been able to figure out who to contact. It is editable if you reach gold coin level on the wiki, if you haven't commited suicide that is. | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On June 20 2017 03:54 GeckoXp wrote: It is editable if you reach gold coin level on the wiki, if you haven't commited suicide that is. it has to be done manually, i don't think it's actually tied to the coin level. | ||
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G5
United States2902 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:50 sabas123 wrote: I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? Well, I do work in web development and have been for nearly a decade. I don't see any reason why you couldn't create a new updated system that works like Wiki. And please don't tell me TL.net doesn't have the resources or know-how, they have Liquipiedia for christ sakes; not to mention the numerous programming kids whom are TL fans and would voluntarily jump at the chance to do it for nothing more than to tell their friends they contributed to the site / add it into their portfolio. Also, it's not too complicated to do a database data transfer to a new system through MYSQL. I think this truly comes down to whether it's worth the effort / money for TL.net from a business standpoint. If it's worth the amount of ad revenue / traffic the site gets to put the money and time into that, then great. If not, I can see why they don't do it. Edit: In fact, since it's more simple with less options than Wikipedia or Liquipedia, you could simplify the hell out of the system and make it super easy for people to update. It sounds like the original designer made it more complicated than it needs to be, but then again, back in the day everything had to be pretty complicated and manual. Today with HTML, CSS, Javascript (MOSTLY THIS!), MySQL, PHP advances, you can automate the hell out of stuff and make systems like this sooo much easier on the user-end. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 20 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote: Few weeks ago, an elderly lady wanted to have an explanation for a random xml-error message involving a wrong time stamp in line 83210 in her catalogue. She neither spoke English, could handle a PC, because she was accessing "the interweb" via iPad, or had any IT-relevant knowledge whatsoever. To analyse the .xml I could only use windows editor and had to refrain from using neologisms in the explanation via telephone with constant background noise, because she appeared to stand in range of a building being professionally dismantled. To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. mega-lol | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:50 sabas123 wrote: I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? I am a professional web developer making 6 figures and have been for almost a decade. Gtfo with your stupid assumptions. TLPD is built on a database. In that database is data. You transform the data to a modern architecture. That's a lot of work. You wrap a web UI around it, which is not a lot of work. It's a 2 or 3 man job. Let's not aggrandize things that aren't that ridiculous. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
thedeadhaji
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BLinD-RawR
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
After reading this thread I'm terrified about ever asking again. Good lord, you TLPD editors are heroes. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Obviously I'm writing this from an outsiders perspective but I'm not sure why propositions like these are unreasonable while everyone who ever had to work with it is telling horror stories about it in this very thread. | ||
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aedeph
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On June 20 2017 00:41 Cele wrote: that's a shame. I never imagined it to be that much work tbh? I mean we have not that many notable events that would need to be entered atm. in the foreign amateur DB, it's currently only filthy tour, HAY!, defiler tours and the big defiler tournament by yoda. No other starleagues, no other Team League. There's def. more korean events that would qualify for the post-kespa korean DB, but i imagine it's possible to make a cut and include only the big events before you don't update at all? im not well informed about the notable korean tours that are in progress atm. I don't wanna sound overly critical, i respect that every volunteer can only invest a certain amount of time, but as the op said: it's such a great feature, actually. sounds like you're volounteering then. If it's such small time investment, and such great 'end product'. I think you should do it. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
On June 20 2017 18:20 Aylear wrote: I once asked if TLPD staff needed help updating with games and VODs, and I was told it was a lot of work and you need to be highly trusted since you basically have access to a fragile system that's easy to break and easier to vandalize. After reading this thread I'm terrified about ever asking again. Good lord, you TLPD editors are heroes. If you are still interested nobody is really going to say no, dunno if prech is active at the moment though. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19082 Posts
On June 20 2017 19:32 PVJ wrote: I understand from this thread that TLPD is basically a legacy system that everyone is afraid to touch on both front- and the back-end but I think G5 made a good point. If it works don't break it, sure, I guess that's what the previous poster meant, but from these comments it seems like TLPD doesn't really work anymore. So, given that, it makes sense from a business perspective, I think it makes sense to rewrite it, or inline it with Liquipedia which is continuously developed and contains a lot of new post-KeSPA data that is missing from TLPD. Obviously I'm writing this from an outsiders perspective but I'm not sure why propositions like these are unreasonable while everyone who ever had to work with it is telling horror stories about it in this very thread. Wiki code base is also a nightmare to work with | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On June 20 2017 16:14 thedeadhaji wrote: we need a ex-TLPD-editors support group for our ptsd. So I'm going to assume ptsd means post tlpd stress disorder? Good thing I never once touched TLPD then. | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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BisuDagger
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 21 2017 00:16 BisuDagger wrote: I added one thing to TLPD. It took 18 weeks. I missed my own graduation, lost my gf, and grew a mullet all cause of TLPD. i feel you, same happened to me when i tried to upload a complete TLC worth of replays on ICCup Replay DB.  | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 21 2017 00:52 Cele wrote: i feel you, same happened to me when i tried to upload a complete TLC worth of replays on ICCup Replay DB. I didnt think the Iccup replay thing was that bad, i used to be Admin on Iccup and it wasnt that difficult to use. It was quite frustrating since they expected so many new reps a day, which at times was uh quite difficult to find | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19246 Posts
On June 21 2017 00:52 Cele wrote: i feel you, same happened to me when i tried to upload a complete TLC worth of replays on ICCup Replay DB. TLPD is why I have to wear sunglasses when I stream. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On June 20 2017 18:20 Aylear wrote: I once asked if TLPD staff needed help updating with games and VODs, and I was told it was a lot of work and you need to be highly trusted  which idiot gave me access then? | ||
Epoxide
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 21 2017 02:12 739 wrote: Let someone code it Several people have tried | ||
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DarkNetHunter
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I checked http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff and there seems to be a few people involved, although no clarity on who leads the section. | ||
FO-nTTaX
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 21 2017 02:20 DarkNetHunter wrote: Could someone clarify who actually has ownership of the TLPD topic and would that person mind chiming in on current status and future plans for TLPD? I checked http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff and there seems to be a few people involved, although no clarity on who leads the section. Currently no one. GMarshal used to be overall TLPD "leader", I used to be for the SOSPA/amateur BW TLPD. prech is/was after me. | ||
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PVJ
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FO-nTTaX
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Peeano
Netherlands5062 Posts
Can't we just abandon TLPD and recreate it in an easier to edit format on LP? We could then fill all tourney results starting from ASL1 to present and go from there. I'd be more than happy to manually fill in all said results. Shoot out to Prech! <3 | ||
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FO-nTTaX
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thezanursic
5488 Posts
On June 21 2017 05:13 Peeano wrote: Strictly speaking for BW... Can't we just abandon TLPD and recreate it in an easier to edit format on LP? We could then fill all tourney results starting from ASL1 to present and go from there. I'd be more than happy to manually fill in all said results. Shoot out to Prech! <3 Honestly this isn't a too bad of an idea, especially if editing TLPD is that hard, leave SOSPA TLPD as a time capsule of 2012-2017, and start anew for the ASL period. Have a link on it from TLPD, and compile statistics on a more easily editabled fashion so that we avoid more PSTD stricken TLPD mods. | ||
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Epoxide
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 21 2017 05:15 FO-nTTaX wrote: As i said, we are building more TLPD like features into Liquipedia, so that isn't out of the question, but especially on older events pre 2007 Liquipedia could use some serious work in the BW section. prech can tell you what is needed there, as he spearheads the BW wiki. that's cool and all, but by virtue of implementation (TLPD is on TL.net, Wiki's are seprate) i think TLPD for a user is faster accessible, contains less info im not looking for atm, so everything elese but out results and ELO rankings, basically. Further, navigating TLPD is actually quite pleasant from a pure users pov. To me it seems, "we need" either a application of Liquipedia that is implemented on TL or a new Database, preferrably with the old TLPD info ported. When foreigner tours are concerned, i can from my experience, that not enough edits and done for LP:BW to warrant it being an "official database". The tours i ran/co worked for/casted for BW include:  http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/German King of the Hill, complete series. LP has 8 editions, we ran 11. Gecko did 90% of the edits, i did the other 10% where i could figure out what to do w/o any understanding for wiki code.A bunch of Cups run by me and Gecko, prizes were Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm beta acesses. One example here: fine LP page imo! Done by Gecko. [wiki1]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Broodwar.de_Hearthstone_Oldschool_Cup[/wiki] On the contrary: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/ICCup Nation League At this time, i was highly involved in the ICCup Team + Show Spoiler +that's the non-korean server where everybody played, until recently. Some relevant tours aren't don't have a page at all. I don't mean to be critical and it would've been me to create the wiki pages for the tours i ran, i got support from you specifically and other in this, FO. I wanna point out: State of the BW LP currently is from my PoV: it's very arbitrary if relevant tours are entered [correctly] into the wiki, or if they are not or incomplete. It depends on "luck" if somebody has the skills and motivation to enter them. TL Staff certainly enters their tours, people like Gecko enter tours they find interesting, some russians just want to run "a fun tour" and have never even opened Liquipedia, speak little to no english and have no idea of coding. Yet their tours are relevant, have the best non-korean players, big prizes and decent coverage. So TL;DR: if LP:BW is intended to be a replacement for TLPD, somebody needs to be in charge to enter all relevant tours and to make a judgement call, about which tours are relevant. In this case, relying on the mass of editors to do it right, will not work in my humble opinion. I don't know enough about LP. I have a good view on the multitude of different tours that were ran in the last years by the non-english speaking Broodwar community and those events are underrepresented in Liquipedia. But if you want LP to be a tournament, player and map Database like TLPD, it needs to contain all relevant tours, maps and players in a given timeframe. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9510 Posts
But then again, keeping the history of changes is what's mediawiki is all about, so it would make sense not to reinvent the wheel and somehow incorporate it with Liquipedia. | ||
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FO-nTTaX
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 21 2017 07:09 FO-nTTaX wrote: The thing though Cele is, if a publicly editable thing is not updated by people, what makes you believe another thing would be and if you think updating the wiki is hard or tedious you are for sure not going to enjoy editing TLPD more | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2549 Posts
 One of the thing I liked the most about TL so many years ago | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 21 2017 07:09 FO-nTTaX wrote: The thing though Cele is, if a publicly editable thing is not updated by people, what makes you believe another thing would be i don't. I wanted to bring it to your attention merely, as my impression is: you ofc know LP very well, but might not know how much relevant Data is not entered when it comes to foreign BW. I don't have a solution for it; it would only work if one or more persons would be motivated to make sure all relevant Data is entered. If that was already known to you and others in this thread, i wrote a wall of text for nothin (; On June 21 2017 08:54 Epoxide wrote: and if you think updating the wiki is hard or tedious you are for sure not going to enjoy editing TLPD more i had some talk with a TLPD editor about it. You're right, i wouldn't want to do it. | ||
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FO-nTTaX
Johto4942 Posts
On June 21 2017 19:18 Cele wrote: i don't. I wanted to bring it to your attention merely, as my impression is: you ofc know LP very well, but might not know how much relevant Data is not entered when it comes to foreign BW. I don't have a solution for it; it would only work if one or more persons would be motivated to make sure all relevant Data is entered. If that was already known to you and others in this thread, i wrote a wall of text for nothin (; Well at least to me it is painfully obvious. I might not be super active in the BW community or on the BW Liquipedia, but i am very aware of the state of the wikis. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On June 21 2017 07:09 FO-nTTaX wrote: The thing though Cele is, if a publicly editable thing is not updated by people, what makes you believe another thing would be Because Liquipedia is not a prominent tool in the BW community when it comes to analysis related issues. Liquipedia BW first and foremost role used to be to promote strategies, until it shifted to look up several Korean pages. The impression I had was that users mostly took it as kind-of lexicon, a very static page. You basically view the wiki from nowaday's point of view through the eye of a developer. Obviously, Liquipedia has a huge potential when it comes to SMW. Yet, SMW was barely used and is a very abstract idea to readers. However, to become a contributor, you first have to realize what the wiki could do and how you would put it to use. Liquipedia doesn't really achieve to show its potential, thus making it harder to recruit more editors, especially among the ranks of the younger people, who're used to get everything they want in the easiest way possible. You basically exclusively attract die-hards to a very specific subject, or people interesting in coding, but not in content. Hence the low editor numbers. This trend might be different from newer titles, which had the fortune that both organizers and casters used Liquipedia as resource. Cele's argument has a basis, as an easy accessible interface would at least make entering data easier. The rest of his suggestions is already there, at least to some extent. When it comes to judging the "relevance" of an event, you have editors/reviewers/admins in place. Btw, judging about relevance sort-of annoys me already, remembering some TL.net "guidelines" about relevance in the past. Sounds good for Korea, doesn't work for foreign BW. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [off-topic] + That and I also really don't like how LP recently changed its format. imo, it's worse now than before, sorry guys | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
Someone explain why this is so hard. Edit: Most databases support different levels of GRANT privileges, so it's possible to ensure that someone only has the ability to INSERT or READ records, and not UPDATE or DELETE or make schema changes. Someone with root access should be able to update the schema to make this possible. Just give more people access with limited privileges. And run offsite backups with a cronjob every month or two. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 22 2017 03:02 SirKibbleX wrote: Okay, what the shit. I don't claim to be some high and mighty dev, but 18 weeks to do an INSERT statement on a database? Motherfucker, someone here should be able to scrape the existing TLPD and format and copy it into a standard MYSQL database. Hell, I could stand up a mysql DB and format it in a matter of hours, and give you an API to access and operate on it (with documentation!) within days. Hell, I could just set up a quick little wordpress/laravel website to give you a nice shiny front-end even. Someone explain why this is so hard. umm BD was making a joke lol. He wasn't being serious. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 22 2017 03:10 BigFan wrote: umm BD was making a joke lol. He wasn't being serious. well it seems, that it's in all seriousness too time consuming and too "fragile" ( accidentely messing up is a big deal) to attract new editors. Then what Kibblex is saying has some merit. Why keep it, when it's way easier to port the data and start fresh? | ||
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FO-nTTaX
Johto4942 Posts
On June 22 2017 04:02 Cele wrote: well it seems, that it's in all seriousness too time consuming and too "fragile" ( accidentely messing up is a big deal) to attract new editors. Then what Kibblex is saying has some merit. Why keep it, when it's way easier to port the data and start fresh? because that's just not that easy ^^ | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5062 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:34 BigFan wrote: Personally, I'd rather TLPD stayed separate from LP. Basically, the way it is now. When I go to TLPD, I'm usually there to just look at game records, find a certain vod etc... I'm not interested in reading background and other details about whatever it is I want to watch. + Show Spoiler [off-topic] + That and I also really don't like how LP recently changed its format. imo, it's worse now than before, sorry guys Very on topic thread title wise. I initially thought OP would be about that and I'd like to echo that statement! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 22 2017 07:02 Peeano wrote: Very on topic thread title wise. I initially thought OP would be about that and I'd like to echo that statement! you mean the separation portion? | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5062 Posts
No, I meant the separated portion; the spoilered bit.  | ||
Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
Throughout my time on TL, I don't think I've ever heard any TLPD contributors speak positively of it. It's very clear that the system works, but it's archaic and nobody wants to touch the code. If you really want a replacement that isn't the wiki, start one. Aligulac was created despite the existence of TLPD, and gained acceptance because it's basically a modern successor to it. The TLPD API is defunct as far as I know, but there's nothing stopping you from manually scraping match lists. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 22 2017 17:02 Peeano wrote: No, I meant the separated portion; the spoilered bit. oh I see, fair enough. On June 23 2017 00:48 Spazer wrote: Liquipedia changed layouts because mobile devices drive a lot of traffic, and having a unified codebase for the wikis cuts down on work when a change needs to be deployed. If you have complaints about it, use the Feedback Thread. Nothing will change if you just make vague disparaging remarks. Throughout my time on TL, I don't think I've ever heard any TLPD contributors speak positively of it. It's very clear that the system works, but it's archaic and nobody wants to touch the code. If you really want a replacement that isn't the wiki, start one. Aligulac was created despite the existence of TLPD, and gained acceptance because it's basically a modern successor to it. The TLPD API is defunct as far as I know, but there's nothing stopping you from manually scraping match lists. I'm not looking for change which is why I kept my comment quite simple and straight to the point. I don't like the new layout. Either way, I already know the benefits and discussed this with FO so not going to do it a second time. | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 23 2017 03:36 ldv wrote: I'll just say this. If the database were dumped somewhere, I'd write up a new API for it. On June 23 2017 00:48 Spazer wrote: there's nothing stopping you from manually scraping match lists. | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
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ldv
United States103 Posts
Yeah that's never going to happen. | ||
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Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
If a dump of TLPD won't happen for technical, time, or motivational reasons, then what other recourse is there? There comes a point when you have to take matters into your own hands if you want something done. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 23 2017 10:58 Spazer wrote: Why not? When I wanted forum stats back in 2009, I didn't ask anyone for that data. I went and scraped the threads myself. It's not that hard. If a dump of TLPD won't happen for technical, time, or motivational reasons, then what other recourse is there? There comes a point when you have to take matters into your own hands if you want something done. well, would be satisfying for somebody who is motivated to know what kinda technical, time, or motivational reasons prohibit said Dump of the DB. I'm not a coder and i don't have the faintest idea how long it takes or how complicated it is. External people posting here with a coding background make it sound quite easy. The explanations given by TL Staff and LP editors in this thread have been quite vague so far for someone with my limited understanding of the subject. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
But: Start adding new maps to the TLPD! So many good new maps and no record of them! | ||
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 23 2017 22:29 Cele wrote: well, would be satisfying for somebody who is motivated to know what kinda technical, time, or motivational reasons prohibit said Dump of the DB. I'm not a coder and i don't have the faintest idea how long it takes or how complicated it is. External people posting here with a coding background make it sound quite easy. The explanations given by TL Staff and LP editors in this thread have been quite vague so far for someone with my limited understanding of the subject. I can't say how the backend or dumping works for TLPD. I don't have any more access to that than you. All I know is that working with adding stuff to TLPD is a nightmare. | ||
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Poly_Optimize
Canada156 Posts
If TLPD is not updated anymore, can we standardize the process and link all info page to liquipedia? The information would be much more accurate! | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
On June 23 2017 23:19 Epoxide wrote: I can't say how the backend or dumping works for TLPD. I don't have any more access to that than you. All I know is that working with adding stuff to TLPD is a nightmare. dumping the database is literally one command that everybody who ever worked with a database knows. if there's tables you have to exclude, it's a little more complicated, but not more than an hour's work for anyone who knows the database. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Of course at this point this is just a purely rhetorical discussion but I see only difficulties for both sides when approaching this with a scraper of my own type of a solution. If I'm missing out on something obvious or there's a reason only people with working knowledge are aware of feel free to disregard my comments. | ||
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thezanursic
5488 Posts
On June 23 2017 23:09 Alpha-NP- wrote: I think it would be cool to shutdown all pre-SCR content and keep it as a reference. I second this, maybe we should switch to an Alligulac like system for SC;R release, and keep TLPD as a time capsule since it's such a pain in the ass to deal with. | ||
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FO-nTTaX
Johto4942 Posts
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5062 Posts
 free works if you type it with a capital F and all relevant sospa tlpd work just fine.You can actually right click TLPD-ize for a drop-down-box. Everyone needs to know that. What would be a nice addition however would be that you can ctrl+select highlight multiple names and then TLPD-ize all of them instead of just the first highlighted name. /wishfulthinking | ||
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 28 2017 20:54 HaN- wrote: Would be great if a staff member could fix the TLPD-ize names that aren't working such as  Mong, free, Zeus, Pusan, Ginewda, [Oops]ClouD,  Larva and Nal_rA.The only tricky one is free and I don't know who Ginewda is. I don't know why free is behaving the way it is. Use the way Peeano suggested or free[gm]. Right click the TLPD-ize button and choose the corresponding database. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
It isn't intuitive, maybe put a disclaimer "Use right click for a drop-down-box" somewhere or even redesign the buttons. About Ginewda, On June 05 2017 21:41 GTR wrote: he was in the GnH guild with DaezanG, actually good friends with him. he wasn't a pro but just an amateur that eventually joined Dream.t so he practiced a lot with jangbi and hyun. instead of going pro he went to university and claims to have been to over 6 different countries (take what you will of that). now he's a popular streamer and runs the wgm clan. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On June 20 2017 10:48 ldv wrote: I am a professional web developer making 6 figures and have been for almost a decade. Gtfo with your stupid assumptions. TLPD is built on a database. In that database is data. You transform the data to a modern architecture. That's a lot of work. You wrap a web UI around it, which is not a lot of work. It's a 2 or 3 man job. Let's not aggrandize things that aren't that ridiculous. User was temp banned for this post. Man it's gotta suck getting banned for merely defending yourself against baseless accusations that you never worked in a certain industry. That insecurity lol. On June 24 2017 00:19 thezanursic wrote: I second this, maybe we should switch to an Alligulac like system for SC;R release, and keep TLPD as a time capsule since it's such a pain in the ass to deal with. Yeah at one point we used to have internal talks about making an official Aligulac for BW just for the hell of it. Nothing concrete mind you, but ultimately we decided that there were barely enough contributors to keep the SC2 part reasonably up to date so it wouldn't make sense to further divide our manpower. Like FO-nTTaX said though, it is open source. With some minor tweaks to include things like map data and per-map statistics, I'm sure it would be no problem for someone to make a BW version. I can personally attest that things like data entry, event details, player page details and reverting/deleting information of that nature is all extremely easy to do on Aligulac. | ||
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On June 28 2017 22:14 HaN- wrote: Oh yeah thanks I forgot about the right click TT It isn't intuitive, maybe put a disclaimer "Use right click for a drop-down-box" somewhere or even redesign the buttons. About Ginewda, Unless he has played in an amateur league he doesn't get a profile. What's the point of having a player profile on TLPD with 0 games played. You're free to make a Liquipedia page though. | ||
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Vendethiel
213 Posts
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
On June 28 2017 23:14 Epoxide wrote: Unless he has played in an amateur league he doesn't get a profile. What's the point of having a player profile on TLPD with 0 games played. You're free to make a Liquipedia page though. Yea he played in the Ajae League Season 2. | ||
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
and that league isn't on TLPD so there's the reason | ||
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