EPTIt really isn't a huge issue, it's just a shame because it is such an interesting feature of this site, it would be a shame to let it go
What happened to the TLPD?
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thezanursic
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It really isn't a huge issue, it's just a shame because it is such an interesting feature of this site, it would be a shame to let it go | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19082 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
I don't wanna sound overly critical, i respect that every volunteer can only invest a certain amount of time, but as the op said: it's such a great feature, actually. | ||
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thezanursic
5488 Posts
On June 20 2017 00:15 tofucake wrote: It's a very time consuming and tedious job to update TLPD. Most staff who do it end up burning out after several months. Specifically for Brood War? I mean I honestly don't give a crap about the Starcraft 2 part of the TLPD, and it's entirely understandable how that is a time consuming job with hundreds of events every week, but when it comes to Brood War we have 1 or 2 events per month with a few dozen matches | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
On June 20 2017 00:15 tofucake wrote: It's a very time consuming and tedious job to update TLPD. Most staff who do it end up burning out after several months. on top of that you really have to make sure you don't screw up your work because its very hard for someone to undo it. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States347 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:31 f10eqq wrote: Couldn't we solve this by making it freely editable by anyone with a TL account like the wiki? I know I've wanted to add stuff to it before and not been able to figure out who to contact. My last post is exactly why we limit who can edit. | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
On June 20 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote: Few weeks ago, an elderly lady wanted to have an explanation for a random xml-error message involving a wrong time stamp in line 83210 in her catalogue. She neither spoke English, could handle a PC, because she was accessing "the interweb" via iPad, or had any IT-relevant knowledge whatsoever. To analyse the .xml I could only use windows editor and had to refrain from using neologisms in the explanation via telephone with constant background noise, because she appeared to stand in range of a building being professionally dismantled. To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. This sounds like the TLPD interface could use an overhaul. I know R1CH or whoever originally designed TLPD probably has other things to do / on their mind, but could this be added to the list? TLPD was one of the features that brought me to TL and also made the site so much better than its competitors (and is an unrivaled feature even from what I've seen on Korean sites) | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:42 ldv wrote: What makes it so hard? This seems silly. It's 2017, web applications and databases aren't that difficult anymore. Oh, you have no idea how wrong you are :D | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:42 ldv wrote: What makes it so hard? This seems silly. It's 2017, web applications and databases aren't that difficult anymore. I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:50 sabas123 wrote: I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? I believe it's closer to 11 years. I think it was introduced in 06 or so? | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On June 20 2017 00:41 Cele wrote: that's a shame. I never imagined it to be that much work tbh? I mean we have not that many notable events that would need to be entered atm. in the foreign amateur DB, it's currently only filthy tour, HAY!, defiler tours and the big defiler tournament by yoda. No other starleagues, no other Team League. There's def. more korean events that would qualify for the post-kespa korean DB, but i imagine it's possible to make a cut and include only the big events before you don't update at all? im not well informed about the notable korean tours that are in progress atm. I don't wanna sound overly critical, i respect that every volunteer can only invest a certain amount of time, but as the op said: it's such a great feature, actually. On June 20 2017 03:39 BigFan wrote: I believe it's closer to 11 years. I think it was introduced in 06 or so? On June 20 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote: Few weeks ago, an elderly lady wanted to have an explanation for a random xml-error message involving a wrong time stamp in line 83210 in her catalogue. She neither spoke English, could handle a PC, because she was accessing "the interweb" via iPad, or had any IT-relevant knowledge whatsoever. To analyse the .xml I could only use windows editor and had to refrain from using neologisms in the explanation via telephone with constant background noise, because she appeared to stand in range of a building being professionally dismantled. To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. On March 17 2016 04:24 GeckoXp wrote: Against ICCup: - Rule 6, developer is lazy - is good Russian architecture, monument to MS Frontpage, yes yes So let me put it this way, i have no experience with the TLPD code and didn't know it was so old. But if somebody who ever used it can confirm to me that it's as bad as; worse; or at least nearly as bad as the ICCup server and webpage code; i'll say this: I was horribly wrong with my previous statement in the worst kind imaginable. I profoundly apologize to all parties involved and to every single person who ever had to work with it. My ingratitude and self-centred attitude towards you was very much uncalled for and out of line. I will eternally seek your forgiveness, even though im unworthy of it. + Show Spoiler + That's how bad ICCup code was from my PoV. If TLPD is anything alike, i wouldn't dare to use that monstrosity. And ICCup code is only 8 to 9 years old i think? | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:31 f10eqq wrote: Couldn't we solve this by making it freely editable by anyone with a TL account like the wiki? I know I've wanted to add stuff to it before and not been able to figure out who to contact. It is editable if you reach gold coin level on the wiki, if you haven't commited suicide that is. | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On June 20 2017 03:54 GeckoXp wrote: It is editable if you reach gold coin level on the wiki, if you haven't commited suicide that is. it has to be done manually, i don't think it's actually tied to the coin level. | ||
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G5
United States2902 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:50 sabas123 wrote: I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? Well, I do work in web development and have been for nearly a decade. I don't see any reason why you couldn't create a new updated system that works like Wiki. And please don't tell me TL.net doesn't have the resources or know-how, they have Liquipiedia for christ sakes; not to mention the numerous programming kids whom are TL fans and would voluntarily jump at the chance to do it for nothing more than to tell their friends they contributed to the site / add it into their portfolio. Also, it's not too complicated to do a database data transfer to a new system through MYSQL. I think this truly comes down to whether it's worth the effort / money for TL.net from a business standpoint. If it's worth the amount of ad revenue / traffic the site gets to put the money and time into that, then great. If not, I can see why they don't do it. Edit: In fact, since it's more simple with less options than Wikipedia or Liquipedia, you could simplify the hell out of the system and make it super easy for people to update. It sounds like the original designer made it more complicated than it needs to be, but then again, back in the day everything had to be pretty complicated and manual. Today with HTML, CSS, Javascript (MOSTLY THIS!), MySQL, PHP advances, you can automate the hell out of stuff and make systems like this sooo much easier on the user-end. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 20 2017 01:48 GeckoXp wrote: Few weeks ago, an elderly lady wanted to have an explanation for a random xml-error message involving a wrong time stamp in line 83210 in her catalogue. She neither spoke English, could handle a PC, because she was accessing "the interweb" via iPad, or had any IT-relevant knowledge whatsoever. To analyse the .xml I could only use windows editor and had to refrain from using neologisms in the explanation via telephone with constant background noise, because she appeared to stand in range of a building being professionally dismantled. To handle her request was still less frustrating than editing TLPD. mega-lol | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:50 sabas123 wrote: I assume you never worked in web development. You normally try to avoid rewriting your application as much as possible, and TLPD is like what, 15 years old? I am a professional web developer making 6 figures and have been for almost a decade. Gtfo with your stupid assumptions. TLPD is built on a database. In that database is data. You transform the data to a modern architecture. That's a lot of work. You wrap a web UI around it, which is not a lot of work. It's a 2 or 3 man job. Let's not aggrandize things that aren't that ridiculous. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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