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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 20 2017 07:14 GMT
#21
we need a ex-TLPD-editors support group for our ptsd.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
June 20 2017 08:57 GMT
#22
too afraid to add mass games.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
June 20 2017 09:20 GMT
#23
I once asked if TLPD staff needed help updating with games and VODs, and I was told it was a lot of work and you need to be highly trusted since you basically have access to a fragile system that's easy to break and easier to vandalize.

After reading this thread I'm terrified about ever asking again. Good lord, you TLPD editors are heroes.
TL+ Member
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-20 10:33:13
June 20 2017 10:32 GMT
#24
I understand from this thread that TLPD is basically a legacy system that everyone is afraid to touch on both front- and the back-end but I think G5 made a good point. If it works don't break it, sure, I guess that's what the previous poster meant, but from these comments it seems like TLPD doesn't really work anymore. So, given that, it makes sense from a business perspective, I think it makes sense to rewrite it, or inline it with Liquipedia which is continuously developed and contains a lot of new post-KeSPA data that is missing from TLPD.

Obviously I'm writing this from an outsiders perspective but I'm not sure why propositions like these are unreasonable while everyone who ever had to work with it is telling horror stories about it in this very thread.
The heart's eternal vow
aedeph
Profile Joined May 2015
104 Posts
June 20 2017 11:03 GMT
#25
May be the way is just to scrap the whole data (from db dump or web parsers) and recreate it somewhere else? Then TL programmers/admins will probably start actually improve site.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 20 2017 11:18 GMT
#26
On June 20 2017 00:41 Cele wrote:
that's a shame. I never imagined it to be that much work tbh? I mean we have not that many notable events that would need to be entered atm. in the foreign amateur DB, it's currently only filthy tour, HAY!, defiler tours and the big defiler tournament by yoda. No other starleagues, no other Team League. There's def. more korean events that would qualify for the post-kespa korean DB, but i imagine it's possible to make a cut and include only the big events before you don't update at all? im not well informed about the notable korean tours that are in progress atm.

I don't wanna sound overly critical, i respect that every volunteer can only invest a certain amount of time, but as the op said: it's such a great feature, actually.

sounds like you're volounteering then.
If it's such small time investment, and such great 'end product'.
I think you should do it.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
June 20 2017 13:01 GMT
#27
On June 20 2017 18:20 Aylear wrote:
I once asked if TLPD staff needed help updating with games and VODs, and I was told it was a lot of work and you need to be highly trusted since you basically have access to a fragile system that's easy to break and easier to vandalize.

After reading this thread I'm terrified about ever asking again. Good lord, you TLPD editors are heroes.


If you are still interested nobody is really going to say no, dunno if prech is active at the moment though.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 20 2017 13:06 GMT
#28
Would be mindly interesting to find someone to code a TLPD look-a-like website and there won't be problem to find volunteers to keep the TLPD 2.0 updated on a daily basis. I could easily put my hands on such a project but I doubt I'll find anyone willing to code it or something.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19082 Posts
June 20 2017 13:45 GMT
#29
On June 20 2017 19:32 PVJ wrote:
I understand from this thread that TLPD is basically a legacy system that everyone is afraid to touch on both front- and the back-end but I think G5 made a good point. If it works don't break it, sure, I guess that's what the previous poster meant, but from these comments it seems like TLPD doesn't really work anymore. So, given that, it makes sense from a business perspective, I think it makes sense to rewrite it, or inline it with Liquipedia which is continuously developed and contains a lot of new post-KeSPA data that is missing from TLPD.

Obviously I'm writing this from an outsiders perspective but I'm not sure why propositions like these are unreasonable while everyone who ever had to work with it is telling horror stories about it in this very thread.

Wiki code base is also a nightmare to work with
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
June 20 2017 14:05 GMT
#30
On June 20 2017 16:14 thedeadhaji wrote:
we need a ex-TLPD-editors support group for our ptsd.

So I'm going to assume ptsd means post tlpd stress disorder?

Good thing I never once touched TLPD then.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
June 20 2017 14:06 GMT
#31
Honestly if someone from TL can at least provide a data dump in some reasonable format I might even be willing to rewrite it in a form where updates can be crowdsourced. If I'm feeling especially generous I might even support that other game and not just BW.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19246 Posts
June 20 2017 15:16 GMT
#32
I added one thing to TLPD. It took 18 weeks. I missed my own graduation, lost my gf, and grew a mullet all cause of TLPD.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
June 20 2017 15:52 GMT
#33
On June 21 2017 00:16 BisuDagger wrote:
I added one thing to TLPD. It took 18 weeks. I missed my own graduation, lost my gf, and grew a mullet all cause of TLPD.


i feel you, same happened to me when i tried to upload a complete TLC worth of replays on ICCup Replay DB.
Broodwar for life!
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-20 16:02:43
June 20 2017 16:02 GMT
#34
On June 21 2017 00:52 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 00:16 BisuDagger wrote:
I added one thing to TLPD. It took 18 weeks. I missed my own graduation, lost my gf, and grew a mullet all cause of TLPD.


i feel you, same happened to me when i tried to upload a complete TLC worth of replays on ICCup Replay DB.

I didnt think the Iccup replay thing was that bad, i used to be Admin on Iccup and it wasnt that difficult to use. It was quite frustrating since they expected so many new reps a day, which at times was uh quite difficult to find
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19246 Posts
June 20 2017 16:28 GMT
#35
On June 21 2017 00:52 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 00:16 BisuDagger wrote:
I added one thing to TLPD. It took 18 weeks. I missed my own graduation, lost my gf, and grew a mullet all cause of TLPD.


i feel you, same happened to me when i tried to upload a complete TLC worth of replays on ICCup Replay DB.

TLPD is why I have to wear sunglasses when I stream.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
June 20 2017 17:01 GMT
#36
On June 20 2017 18:20 Aylear wrote:
I once asked if TLPD staff needed help updating with games and VODs, and I was told it was a lot of work and you need to be highly trusted



which idiot gave me access then?
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
June 20 2017 17:08 GMT
#37
you don't want to work on TLPD
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
June 20 2017 17:12 GMT
#38
Let someone code it and I'll make sure to transfer the whole database and add current games.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
June 20 2017 17:14 GMT
#39
On June 21 2017 02:12 739 wrote:
Let someone code it

Several people have tried
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
June 20 2017 17:20 GMT
#40
Could someone clarify who actually has ownership of the TLPD topic and would that person mind chiming in on current status and future plans for TLPD?

I checked http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff and there seems to be a few people involved, although no clarity on who leads the section.

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
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