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Neeb wins WCS Jonköping, narrowly beating Serral

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-21 21:59:48
June 21 2017 21:53 GMT
#1
The hype was real in Sweden this weekend, as the two most anticipated players cleared a bloody path through all others to reach the grand finals.

Having qualified for the tournament, both (P)Neeb and Serral started out in the third stage. They were thus able to bypass the most grueling phase, DreamHack’s famous open group stages. Unfortunately not all 64 slots were filled, leading to some strange groups with only two players in which both were guaranteed to advance. As usual, the brawl took its toll, with fan-favorite (P)Harstem unable to advance past the second group stage on Saturday.



Sunday’s third group stage likewise had a few surprises in store for the viewers. Casualties included names like (P)ShoWTimE, (Z)TRUE, (T)iaguz, (Z)TooDming and (Z)iAsonu. With only 16 players remaining, the playoffs began in earnest on Monday.



As fates would have it, both eventual finalists fought like they were possessed. Serral took down (Z)Stephano, (P)PtitDrogo and (Z)Elazer on his way to the grand finals, only dropping a single map along the way. Neeb cleaved through (Z)SortOf, (T)MajOr and (T)Kelazhur. Fittingly only the Mexican Terran proved to be difficult, as the two had met in the semifinals in Austin with the same scoreline.

The finals went down to the wire, with (P)Neeb eventually overcoming Serral in a deciding game seven. The two played some of the best games of the entire tournament, showcasing their skills to the full. With another WCS title under his belt, Neeb secured himself the elusive Triple Crown, and Serral will have to now bide his time until Valencia.

For those looking to relive the action of the weekend, a few series stood out above the others. (P)PtitDrogo looked to be in top form, taking down (Z)Nerchio 3-0. (T)uThermal’s entire run through the group stages proved that he’s veritably among the top EU Terrans at the moment. (Z)Snute’s heartbreaking loss at the hands of (Z)Cham was made that much more bittersweet with Cham’s 0-3 loss against (Z)Elazer. And finally, (T)MajOr didn’t quite make it this time around, but it’s more than likely this won’t be the last we see of him.
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Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil271 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-21 22:03:16
June 21 2017 21:58 GMT
#2
Bahhhhhh "For those looking to relive the action of the weekend, a few series stood out above the others."

No mention of Kelazhurs run?? Im sad :'(
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
June 21 2017 22:33 GMT
#3
Thanks for the summary, appreciate the paste of group H, that way you don't have to look it up yourself after reading Harstem was knocked out early.
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breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada298 Posts
June 21 2017 22:49 GMT
#4
I watched that live. It's awesome to watch both tournaments where Neeb made foreigner history. Neeb! It's ok man, you're allowed to say you're good at StarCraft now.
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
June 21 2017 23:39 GMT
#5
(T)uThermal’s entire run through the group stages proved that he’s veritably among the top EU Terrans at the moment.

I'm glad we can finally say that. Maybe one day he'll have a run that will prove he's veritably among the top foreign terrans at the moment.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4519 Posts
June 22 2017 00:05 GMT
#6
On June 22 2017 08:39 stardog wrote:
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(T)uThermal’s entire run through the group stages proved that he’s veritably among the top EU Terrans at the moment.

I'm glad we can finally say that. Maybe one day he'll have a run that will prove he's veritably among the top foreign terrans at the moment.

ouchhhhh

haha in all seriousness, i think neeb is the prince that was promised.
hi. big fan.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 22 2017 00:12 GMT
#7
where does Neeb rank all time among foreigners now?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 00:28:46
June 22 2017 00:24 GMT
#8
On June 22 2017 09:12 Shellshock wrote:
where does Neeb rank all time among foreigners now?

Better question is where he ranks among current Koreans?
Personally I would guesstimate him somewhere in Tier 2, I doubt he could beat aLive/Gumiho.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 22 2017 00:31 GMT
#9
On June 22 2017 09:24 pvsnp wrote:
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On June 22 2017 09:12 Shellshock wrote:
where does Neeb rank all time among foreigners now?

Better question is where he ranks among current Koreans?
Personally I would guesstimate him somewhere in Tier 2.

I think that's fair. He could probably get Ro16 GSL with a decent group. Major put up an ok fight but had ByuN and herO. There were a couple of groups he might have been able to get out of if you swapped him with another 3rd place finisher. I could see the same for neeb. Would probably need a favorable group or some luck to make the knockout rounds but not impossible
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2017-06-22 00:46:46
June 22 2017 00:44 GMT
#10
On June 22 2017 09:31 Shellshock wrote:
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On June 22 2017 09:24 pvsnp wrote:
On June 22 2017 09:12 Shellshock wrote:
where does Neeb rank all time among foreigners now?

Better question is where he ranks among current Koreans?
Personally I would guesstimate him somewhere in Tier 2.

I think that's fair. He could probably get Ro16 GSL with a decent group. Major put up an ok fight but had ByuN and herO. There were a couple of groups he might have been able to get out of if you swapped him with another 3rd place finisher. I could see the same for neeb. Would probably need a favorable group or some luck to make the knockout rounds but not impossible

Yeah, Scarlett/MajOr would need a decent amount of luck to make it to the Ro16, like Trap/Losira for instance. Neeb is better than either Scarlett or MajOr of course, but not by a huge amount. Tier 1 is "gated" by aLive/Gumiho since they are the highest second-tiers imo, and I just can't see Neeb beating either of them.
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Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
June 22 2017 00:52 GMT
#11
At this point I don't think Gumiho is the tier 1 gate keeper anymore. Maybe he'll fall back down, but he's beaten most of the best on his run. If he takes out soO, then he certainly isn't
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 22 2017 00:57 GMT
#12
On June 22 2017 09:52 Parrek wrote:
At this point I don't think Gumiho is the tier 1 gate keeper anymore. Maybe he'll fall back down, but he's beaten most of the best on his run. If he takes out soO, then he certainly isn't

If he beats soO, and doesn't slump, then he will be Tier 1 in my eyes. But I have a pretty narrow definition of Tier 1, by which I mean only Stats, TY, and INnoVaton.
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beepbeeeeeeep
Profile Joined February 2017
145 Posts
June 22 2017 01:01 GMT
#13
On June 22 2017 09:44 pvsnp wrote:Tier 1 is "gated" by aLive/Gumiho since they are the highest second-tiers imo


egregious gumiho trolling
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil271 Posts
June 22 2017 01:26 GMT
#14
Neeb and Serral are Tier 1 among korean now, no doubt about that, they are surely in top 10 world
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 22 2017 01:31 GMT
#15
On June 22 2017 10:26 Locutos wrote:
Neeb and Serral are Tier 1 among korean now, no doubt about that, they are surely in top 10 world

That's really hard to say, since Neeb and Serral have played against Koreans lately. Someone needs to set up a showmatch or something, or at least film Neeb's GSL qualifiers
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FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 01:39:07
June 22 2017 01:38 GMT
#16
On June 22 2017 10:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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On June 22 2017 10:26 Locutos wrote:
Neeb and Serral are Tier 1 among korean now, no doubt about that, they are surely in top 10 world

That's really hard to say, since Neeb and Serral have played against Koreans lately. Someone needs to set up a showmatch or something, or at least film Neeb's GSL qualifiers

Definitely not tier 1, but a high rank in tier 2. I could see him getting ro16 with a bit of bracket luck.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33509 Posts
June 22 2017 02:26 GMT
#17
WHO WILL PULL THE BREAKS ON THE NEEB TRUCK?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
June 22 2017 03:01 GMT
#18
I wonder if this is the first time we've ever had 9 or more 3-0's in the round of 16 at a premier tournament.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-22 04:04:26
June 22 2017 03:59 GMT
#19
On June 22 2017 10:38 FrkFrJss wrote:
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On June 22 2017 10:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On June 22 2017 10:26 Locutos wrote:
Neeb and Serral are Tier 1 among korean now, no doubt about that, they are surely in top 10 world

That's really hard to say, since Neeb and Serral have played against Koreans lately. Someone needs to set up a showmatch or something, or at least film Neeb's GSL qualifiers

Definitely not tier 1, but a high rank in tier 2. I could see him getting ro16 with a bit of bracket luck.

It all depends on how you define Tier 1, Tier 2, etc.
My definition of Tier 1 is "Players with form good enough to win a Korean tournament and who have recently won one to prove it."

By that definition, only Stats, TY, and INnoVation are Tier 1. Possibly herO as well, though Adept/Phoenix has been nerfed since he won the Super Tournament. It should be blatantly obvious that Neeb is not at this level. Gumiho does not belong here either, because while he possibly has the form (we will find out soon enough) he hasn't won anything yet. Same for soO.

And as far as Neeb/Serral being top 10 world....that's quite a stretch imo. GSL Season 3 and GSL vs the World are both coming up fast, so I guess we will find out soon enough.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18560 Posts
June 22 2017 04:15 GMT
#20
"The hype is real" and then we get a no hype post summing up the tournament? :p
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