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hitthat
Poland2336 Posts
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Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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IntoTheStorm
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ggsimida
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Piste
6183 Posts
On April 20 2017 17:39 aedeph wrote: You know, that Jaedong was incredibly poor for the first couple of months after starting practicing? Only Stork is given ability to convert and show results immediately What what. Did Stork provide some results (other than bad ones) ? | ||
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Pippah
Denmark356 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9530 Posts
My very first article that I wrote for TL was about JangBi - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/news-archive/271943-osl-jin-air-osl-mandate-of-heaven#three | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On April 20 2017 15:48 LocoBolon wrote: peak form Jangbi the best Protoss of all time? Or is that goin too far? I can see Bisu's purists getting indignated at this very idea. I also find hard to think that theres someone else than Bisu sitting in No1 Protoss throne but peak form Jangbi was definitely something else.... It's an interesting topic. I think usually when we talk about overall greatness, results and context matter, not just raw skill. But when talking about a specific matchup, it's more ok to just refer to raw skill. So, it's less controversial to say "peak Jangbi was best PvT" because it means "peak Jangbi had highest PvT skill of any player". But when we say "best Protoss player" we usually mean "very high peak skill + body of work results-wise". This framing also allows us to put older players like Nada or Oov into the "best players" discussion. After all, peak skill-wise out of Zergs, it's probably Jaedong and Effort, but you can't put Effort ahead of guys like July or Yellow (or Savior...) in the "greatest Zergs" discussion. There is also a tendency to romanticize players whose peak skill was much higher than their average / most "common" skill. Jangbi definitely fell into this category. I think when Bisu is practicing hard and 100% on his game, his peak skill is as high as Jangbi's. For sure peak Bisu PvZ is far better than any other player's. Peak Jangbi's PvT is better. Since Bisu had bigger stretches of PvP dominance than Jangbi, I think he also had the highest peak PvP skill, though PvP is a weird matchup that's probably less dependent on the usual skill factors of BW than any other matchup, i.e. PvP is the only matchup in the game where both micro AND macro aren't *that* hard by BW standards. I suppose TvT might also fall into this category, but TvT has a unique long term strategic component. PvP is more rock papers scissor-y, but ZvZ is as well so that's not a unique feature of PvP. But yes, I think Bisu and Jangbi are the two highest peak skill Protoss players of all time, and you wouldn't get laughed out of the room by knowledgeable fans if you said Jangbi was #1. No one else is that close. Stork is amazing in his own way because I don't think his peak skill was nearly as high as either Bisu or Jangbi, yet results-wise he's barely behind Bisu. Imagine if Stork won that MSL final against Bisu where he forgot Dragoon range in a 40 minute game 5 ... then it'd be Stork with 1 OSL 1 MSL and Bisu with 2 MSL. Wonder what we'd be saying in that universe. And no, sorry, but I don't give Jangbi's 2 OSLs the same weight because of when they happened. I "count" it as like, 1.25 OSL. | ||
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
I think there is little doubt that jangbi was in the top 3 of best protoss of all time ever since he managed to get out of Stork's shadow but I would put Best ahead of him personally. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
his 3-2 win over Fantasy for the 2011 OSL was incredible to watch. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
I need this in my life. Come stream soon JangBi. <3 | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19327 Posts
On April 20 2017 15:48 LocoBolon wrote: peak form Jangbi the best Protoss of all time? Or is that goin too far? I can see Bisu's purists getting indignated at this very idea. I also find hard to think that theres someone else than Bisu sitting in No1 Protoss throne but peak form Jangbi was definitely something else.... Peak form Jangbi was winning OSLs which was a great achievement, but no one was calling Bisu peak form even though while Jangbi was winning OSLs, Bisu set the record for most wins in a proleague season. Jangbi in the 2010-2011 proleague season was 13 wins - 18 losses (41.94%), Bisu was 36 wins - 5 losses (87.80%). I think we can all agree Jangbi excelled at the end of his career in individual leagues, but he was terrible in proleague at the same time. This is why his peak isn't actually that great, but his achievements certainly are. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On April 20 2017 18:26 Me_ToKa wrote: By the way Killer will be back soon too! They went to the army almost the same time I think. This is way more important than Jangbi coming back too. Should still be a few months or less for Killer tho | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
Now he use battlenet ID StarTAC and play in fish server. He play games with JD and Bisu a few days ago. And he get some wins from this two Top players. I think he will return, too.(just my opinion) | ||
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Piratezerg
54 Posts
I don't think there was a zerg peaking after Jaedong though. DONG4LIFE | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19327 Posts
On April 22 2017 00:18 Piratezerg wrote: Jangbi and Fantasy really peaked just as Broodwar was closing down. Definitely raises the hypothetical were they the next wave to replace Flash/Bisu? I don't think there was a zerg peaking after Jaedong though. DONG4LIFE Killer was and did. Effort was on the return and soulkey was also separating from the pack. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
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