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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 06 2017 02:56 GMT
#41
Let's face it, former progamers are a shadow of their peak in their current form. Certainly, part of it is that TBLS and the like have already reached retirement age, but part of the other problem is that they don't have the consistent, rigorous practice schedule they used to. A progaming house would give those who are in one a very significant advantage, such that those "free spirits" will start to be crowded out.

Though perhaps progamers may want to negotiate for changes in rules that were not-so-friendly towards them since the Kespa years.
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
April 06 2017 02:57 GMT
#42
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I wasbanned fromthis
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
113 Posts
April 06 2017 03:12 GMT
#43
easier to gamble on than sc2
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-06 04:51:10
April 06 2017 03:19 GMT
#44
On April 06 2017 09:34 Fakelove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 09:23 raff100 wrote:
Flash is gonna be the ultimate weapon of KT once again ...

Imagine if Flash, JD and Bisu all end up in the same team...


Terrible... like when Lebron and Bosh when to the Heat... stacking is bad.

We want those guys to face each other!
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
April 06 2017 03:49 GMT
#45
On April 06 2017 11:56 LegalLord wrote:
Let's face it, former progamers are a shadow of their peak in their current form. Certainly, part of it is that TBLS and the like have already reached retirement age, but part of the other problem is that they don't have the consistent, rigorous practice schedule they used to. A progaming house would give those who are in one a very significant advantage, such that those "free spirits" will start to be crowded out.

Though perhaps progamers may want to negotiate for changes in rules that were not-so-friendly towards them since the Kespa years.


This narrative is so stupid, reurgitated and based on nothing. If you just compare the level of play in ZvT of 2012 vs today, you see how much higher the skill ceiling became. Current lategame ZvT is WAY more multitasking focused due to the meta switch. If anything I see an increase in skill.

Don't make it as if they all are at the skill level of 2004
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 06 2017 04:13 GMT
#46
I would not be surprised if Blizzard themselves injected a bit of money into the SC:R tourney scene when it comes out as a marketing move to show off the game, which would bring back a lot of legends and current top BW players, however the longevity of the scene there is contingent on new blood. Teams are not going to be able to create sustainable and centralized teams that are able to truly recapture the classic teamhouse approach. That would only happen with younger players looking to go pro, which we unfortunately cannot really see right now due to the limited tournaments that happen, which are mostly dominated by the household names and players who have stuck with BW.

I really hope that it happens, watching clips of BW matche, knowing Boxer even though I didnt play melee growing up and being intrigued by "professional gaming" is truly what guided me into esports. I would love for SKT/KT and other teams to develop a rekindling of the BW scene, and if SC:R is really a huge success in Korea and gamers there really embrace it, then who knows? The only teams I could see making BW teams in Korea would be SKT, KT, CJ, and maybe Afreeca Freecs. Jin Air could but they would probably have to drop most SC2 players to compensate for team/Proleague. The rest of KR's teams are mostly tied to LoL and have no previous history in RTS.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1311 Posts
April 06 2017 04:17 GMT
#47
On April 06 2017 09:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
They could be given cushy figurehead deals, then use their fame to just build up a new generation of recognizable stars.


If BW is going to stay viable long term it will need new stars. I'm all for new team houses to create the next round of talent. TBLS is only going to maintain the scene for so long.
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SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
April 06 2017 04:23 GMT
#48
I want this more than I want to lose my virginity.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6184 Posts
April 06 2017 04:25 GMT
#49
On April 06 2017 09:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I doubt the big players would actually want to be part of teams again. These guys have so much freedom now, there is no way they would go back into teamhouses i think.

But yeah let's wait for a translation first

What about lower tier player who does not make that much money out of streaming? I'm sure they would soon be beating Flash and Last if they had professional training.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4280 Posts
April 06 2017 04:49 GMT
#50
On April 06 2017 09:49 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 09:37 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I doubt the big players would actually want to be part of teams again. These guys have so much freedom now, there is no way they would go back into teamhouses i think.

But yeah let's wait for a translation first

They could be given cushy figurehead deals, then use their fame to just build up a new generation of recognizable stars.

Probably more likely to just ride the renaissance while it lasts tho. But if SC:R really takes off maybe they'll do something like that?

For example in sc2, NaDa was in oGs but he didn't live in the team house, he had his own place and just came by to practice. Not unreasonable to do something like that I think...

I cant imagine they would pay nearly as much as streaming does. Flash made 50k in February alone....

but its possible, by bw teams "coming back", they dont go the full 9 yards with the coaches and the teamhouse, but just give them money to wear the jersey to tournaments. Similiar to how western teams pay for FGC pros.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4203 Posts
April 06 2017 04:49 GMT
#51
I think it's very possible with SCR which will definitely bring interest and hype to the scene.

What's the level of hype right now in Korea regarding SCR?
Akara12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2016
164 Posts
April 06 2017 05:12 GMT
#52
I don't want another Proleague. It was awesome but I've seen too much of it. Maybe another team league with a significantly different format.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-06 05:20:33
April 06 2017 05:16 GMT
#53
On April 06 2017 11:56 LegalLord wrote:
Let's face it, former progamers are a shadow of their peak in their current form. Certainly, part of it is that TBLS and the like have already reached retirement age, but part of the other problem is that they don't have the consistent, rigorous practice schedule they used to. A progaming house would give those who are in one a very significant advantage, such that those "free spirits" will start to be crowded out.

Though perhaps progamers may want to negotiate for changes in rules that were not-so-friendly towards them since the Kespa years.


This is certainly possible, but at the same time I think it's worth noting that amateur players relative performances haven't risen. For amateurs that weren't practice partners I would think that level of skill would be similar now as to 8 years ago. It's not as if amateurs played 12 hours a day back then and now are playing 3.

In this case, we would expect the skill gap between amateurs and pro's to have decreased. Unfortunately amateurs don't play that many games versus the KeSPA pro's in this new era, but my sense is that when it comes to non ex pro (amateur) vs KeSPA ex pro the amateur players are still getting bopped hard.

I absolutely think that saying "shadow of their former peak" is a major overstatement. It's possible the level is not as high as 2010, but if so I don't think you could take a random 2010 dude like a Sharp or Rush and expect him to 3-0 present day FlaSh.
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Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark359 Posts
April 06 2017 05:17 GMT
#54
Omg yes please let this happen <3 !
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51712 Posts
April 06 2017 05:22 GMT
#55
teams are a pipe dream, not enough skilled players.
individual sponsorships aren't out of the question though.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 06 2017 05:27 GMT
#56
We are unlikely to have the grand, 12-team league that we had in ages past again. But a consistent BW support network, rather than simply a streaming presence, would give it some much-needed means towards longevity.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10627 Posts
April 06 2017 05:29 GMT
#57
i just want the teams to actually market their jerseys so i can buy them. thank you
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
April 06 2017 05:38 GMT
#58
Well think of it like this. TBLS is basically the modern version of Boxer/Yell0w/Garimto/Giyom back in the 2001 era and Proleague didn't even start out with that many teams in 2002. You gotta start somewhere.

So I think its not out of a question if we see a profession BW scene in 5 years.
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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
April 06 2017 05:50 GMT
#59
i cant help it the child inside of me is going completely NUTS
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
April 06 2017 05:50 GMT
#60
I would love them to take some amatuers and make them stars instead. We need new heroes. And we could have a Proleague with SKT, KT, MoO, NeoX and that new team... WGA? or smth..
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