So the new map, Camelot, has been modified even further. Going by information provided by watching Zero's stream just now the most up-to-date version is 1.5 it seems.

Anyone know what was fixed from 1.4?

Qikz

United Kingdom12025 Posts

April 04 2017 15:58 GMT

#65

Camelot looks so fun!

Freakling

Germany1533 Posts

April 04 2017 16:35 GMT

#66

On April 05 2017 00:39 Tadah wrote:
So the new map, Camelot, has been modified even further. Going by information provided by watching Zero's stream just now the most up-to-date version is 1.5 it seems.

Anyone know what was fixed from 1.4?

The map has also been updated on Naver.

Changes (looking at it in the editor right now):

Removed the additional 500 mineral patch from the mains and added one to the nats instead.
Small change to the cliff behind the natural minerals, probably to reduce turret and vision space and make muta harassment a little bit easier.
Removed the ramps from the close high ground third to the middle and widened the ramp to the medium ground instead (this is the most significant change!), also made the medium ground area directly in front of the ramp unbuildable.
Also widened the ramps to the corner expansions
~~Reduced main choke size to 3 tiles (can now be walled with only a rax)~~ Actually, the absolute width stayed the same, but two unbuildable strips of tiles were added on the top and bottom of the chokes making them in fact harder to wall (rax, 2 depot required)
Complete overhaul of all resources (this was required because the other changes probably introduced new mining bugs)

+ Show Spoiler [direct comparison] +

So some pretty significant changes there.

Cryoc

Germany912 Posts

April 04 2017 16:49 GMT

#67

I never understood those 500 mineral patches at the main or nat, who is supposed to benefit from that, and why don't they use a full 1500 patch. What is the thought behind moving it to the natural?

Freakling

Germany1533 Posts

April 04 2017 17:07 GMT

#68

Which ever race has a harder time taking a 3rd (so usually P/T vs Z, T vs P) profits from that. The 500 mineral patch is supposed to run out once a 3rd is established, but gives a small economic boost before that. Moving it from the main to the nat likewise benefits whoever can FE easier or faster (so it gives T a small boost vs. P when T 12 CCs or rax expands and P does not become ballsy with a 14CC or something like that, so it may have something to do with trying to help T a bit, because they have to cope with a rampless choke).
Each additional mineral patch in main or nat gives you a few percent additional 2-base economy, though the effect is diminished very early on due to low worker saturation (again it can be a small disadvantage for Zerg because they cannot saturate their mineral lines as fast and effectively).
These are all rather minor things, though.
I also cannot really see how T/P would have a particularly hard time taking a third on this map, especially after those middle ramps have been removed. I guess it was a problem in version 1.3, though, because that version has no 500 mineral patch yet.

gngfn

United States1726 Posts

April 04 2017 18:51 GMT

#69

I was really interested to see how T would take and hold a third gas on this map with the wide ramp to the middle, so I'm a little sad that aspect is already gone.

Btw, are you sure the main choke changed? It looks identical in the comparison gif.

prech

United States2948 Posts

April 04 2017 21:26 GMT

#70

On April 05 2017 01:35 Freakling wrote:

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The map has also been updated on Naver.

Changes (looking at it in the editor right now):

Removed the additional 500 mineral patch from the mains and added one to the nats instead.
Small change to the cliff behind the natural minerals, probably to reduce turret and vision space and make muta harassment a little bit easier.
Removed the ramps from the close high ground third to the middle and widened the ramp to the medium ground instead (this is the most significant change!), also made the medium ground area directly in front of the ramp unbuildable.
Also widened the ramps to the corner expansions
Reduced main choke size to 3 tiles (can now be walled with only a rax)
Complete overhaul of all resources (this was required because the other changes probably introduced new mining bugs)

+ Show Spoiler [direct comparison] +

So some pretty significant changes there.

Thanks for this helpful comparison -- linked in the top post, along with a new v1.5 download link

Peeano

Netherlands5229 Posts

April 04 2017 21:51 GMT

#71

I'm guessing this will be played on the stable version 1.16.1? ^^

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

April 04 2017 21:52 GMT

#72

Group D for group of death. How fitting.

Anyway, my predictions (not in order of 2-0, 2-1, just whatever):

A: Shuttle, Soulkey
B: Effort, Shine (Free and Snow are some of my favourite Protoss ever, but I have flashbacks to Shine in the OSL)
C: Bisu, Light
D: Hero, Ssak (prefer Rain to make it, but I'm just not sure)
E: Stork, Guemchi
F: Last, Movie

Looking forward to it.

Aylear

Norway3988 Posts

April 04 2017 22:04 GMT

#73

Group A:

Soulkey
Group B: (Z)

free
Group C: (P)

Jaehoon
Group D: (Z)

Rain
Group E: (P)

ggaemo
Group F: (T)

Movie

I like to live dangerously.

Freakling

Germany1533 Posts

April 04 2017 23:07 GMT

#74

On April 05 2017 03:51 gngfn wrote:
I was really interested to see how T would take and hold a third gas on this map with the wide ramp to the middle, so I'm a little sad that aspect is already gone.

Btw, are you sure the main choke changed? It looks identical in the comparison gif.

You are right, I'll change that ; I was only looking at the buildable area. The width is not changed, but the choke now has two unbuildable strips, each one tile wide, at the top and bottom – so it is in fact no longer easily wallable at all (rax, 2 depot is still possible). A rather weird change, I think. I cannot remember anything similar having been done to any map before. This will definitely make early Zealot pressure a lot harder to deal with.

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

April 04 2017 23:07 GMT

#75

On April 04 2017 16:44 neptunusfisk wrote:
Hm, never heard of Purpose and ggaemo before. GGaemo is an old pro, but Purpose? Amateur? Cool to see new names!

All you need to know about ggaemo:

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sickkungen

Sweden179 Posts

April 05 2017 13:10 GMT

#76

On April 04 2017 18:32 outscar wrote:
1. Flash
2. Sea
3. JD
4-32. The rest.

sry but sea is variety streamer status these days

konadora

Singapore66358 Posts

April 08 2017 19:55 GMT

#77

On April 05 2017 08:07 Crisium wrote:

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All you need to know about ggaemo:

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god damn that never gets old lol

tankgirl

Canada443 Posts

April 08 2017 20:15 GMT

#78

i have been watching a lot of game on this map and this removal of ramp at 3rd i feel is not good..multiple avenues to run around the map made for interesting maneuvers and plays, now it just going to be a tank ball death in the middle

Lorch

Germany3691 Posts

April 08 2017 20:19 GMT

#79

On April 05 2017 22:10 sickkungen wrote:

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sry but sea is variety streamer status these days

He just got second at the last ASL beating best and bisu among others. I really don't get why people keep doubting him.

PVJ

Hungary5221 Posts

April 08 2017 21:04 GMT

#80

A: Shuttle, Soulkey
B: Free, Snow[1]
C: Bisu, Light[2]
D: hero, Rain
E: ~~~STOOORK~~~, GuemChi
F: Last, Movie

[1] After watching some streams it seems like Camelot is pretty hard for Zerg in PvZ, so I'm expecting them going out early in a group full of vP
[2] Light, regardless of his records, can just focus on one matchup and abusing any one good strat on a new map would mean he's halfway there. Gogogo Light!