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SK is the biggest market so obviously Blizzard will make sure SC:R gets proper advertisement on the pro-scene, i.e. all the tournaments will be using SC:R. Blizzard's job is 50% make games and 50% sell games so whenever there's money to be made all efforts will be taken. Here's hoping 360p will do the trick.
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The ling death animation and blood reminds me vaguely of Fallens from diablo 2.
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Any word on custom hotkeys yet for the live version of SC:BW? Obviously they said it'll come with remastered but are they going to enable this for non-remaster bw players?
And will it hit before Remastered fully launches? Just curious.
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On June 25 2017 14:47 avilo wrote:
Any word on custom hotkeys yet for the live version of SC:BW? Obviously they said it'll come with remastered but are they going to enable this for non-remaster bw players?
And will it hit before Remastered fully launches? Just curious.
If I'm not wrong, it will be available for both HD and Non-HD version at the HD release.
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On June 25 2017 09:33 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 06:25 iFU.pauline wrote:On June 25 2017 05:36 BigFan wrote:On June 25 2017 04:39 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 03:43 Levque wrote:
Being able to use the original sprites is cool ( I know I'll be using them) but remember, Blizzard is going to force the Korean tournaments to use the remaster and I assume the new sprites. Anyone looking forward to all future BW competition being a eye sore???
The "nostalgia" excuse is tired as hell, these sprites are just low quality. Blizzard needs to go back to the drawing board and delay the game if needed to do this right. Where the hell are you getting that from? ASL4 will be using remastered, rather waiting for it. I can only presume the same for the rest. So, I think this past ASL and this upcoming ATB are the only remaining tourneys that will be using the standard version. Even if they broadcast live using remastered (observer), it doesn't prevent players from using the standard version since both are compatible, it's the whole point. yep, I'm aware of that. My comment was regarding what we the viewers will see. Once remastered gets released, there is a high chance that any and all BW tournaments will be casting the game using the HD graphics, rather than the standard ones that we've watched for so long. My only hope is that the new gfx are close enough and look good enough in the final release so that we can enjoy the match rather than nitpick about some of the smaller changes.
Yea, HD is a must, no way they wouldn't do it.
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On June 25 2017 13:05 metzoor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:00 MamiyaOtaru wrote:eurgh those death sprites look bad. In the sense that they don't look like the originals (but in HD) which things pretty much looked like before. Tank shell impacts and tank explosions looking different too. What happened to keeping things the same but higher res? Like a lot of the nitpicking (it's too shiny! etc) has been a bit much but these things are just straight up different, and I thought that was against their mandate. The mutas popping too.. just everything in those gifs  I watched and interview with the head designer(?) of the remaster somewhere on youtube, and he said that some sprites were not recoverable since the game is so old that Blizzard no longer had them. They had to make a lot of sprites and make them look like old bw or at least similar with HD.
Early announcement showed the same and loyal to BW death animation in HD. Seems like they felt the need to rework death animations altogether. So that's partly what they have been working on (and don't tell me they weren't. Any graphic designer can tell you that it is more time consuming to make new animations than fleshing out the old ones.) . Cant say that I am satisfied with the results.
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On June 25 2017 13:11 BigFan wrote:
I think that we should wait some more before passing any further judgement on the sprites etc... I just highly doubt they changed sprites since they showed the last trailer and hopefully they prove me right lol.
I respectfully disagree. People need to be vocal about this because once the game gets shipped. changing animations are out of the question. This game deserves the harshest criticism on any potential change. Even if it is "just" changing graphics.
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On June 25 2017 17:49 iFU.pauline wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 09:33 BigFan wrote:On June 25 2017 06:25 iFU.pauline wrote:On June 25 2017 05:36 BigFan wrote:On June 25 2017 04:39 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 03:43 Levque wrote:
Being able to use the original sprites is cool ( I know I'll be using them) but remember, Blizzard is going to force the Korean tournaments to use the remaster and I assume the new sprites. Anyone looking forward to all future BW competition being a eye sore???
The "nostalgia" excuse is tired as hell, these sprites are just low quality. Blizzard needs to go back to the drawing board and delay the game if needed to do this right. Where the hell are you getting that from? ASL4 will be using remastered, rather waiting for it. I can only presume the same for the rest. So, I think this past ASL and this upcoming ATB are the only remaining tourneys that will be using the standard version. Even if they broadcast live using remastered (observer), it doesn't prevent players from using the standard version since both are compatible, it's the whole point. yep, I'm aware of that. My comment was regarding what we the viewers will see. Once remastered gets released, there is a high chance that any and all BW tournaments will be casting the game using the HD graphics, rather than the standard ones that we've watched for so long. My only hope is that the new gfx are close enough and look good enough in the final release so that we can enjoy the match rather than nitpick about some of the smaller changes. Yea, HD is a must, no way they wouldn't do it.
yep, my thoughts exact. I always liked the standard graphics so ya, guess we'll see.
On June 26 2017 00:11 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:11 BigFan wrote:
I think that we should wait some more before passing any further judgement on the sprites etc... I just highly doubt they changed sprites since they showed the last trailer and hopefully they prove me right lol. I respectfully disagree. People need to be vocal about this because once the game gets shipped. changing animations are out of the question. This game deserves the harshest criticism on any potential change. Even if it is "just" changing graphics.
oh, don't get me wrong. Disagree all you like lol. I'm just saying that going off low quality gifs isn't the best indicator of changes so we'll need to see more to get confirmation. Having said that, I chuckled a bit at the marine death animation. Feels more like rocks collapsing than a dying animation to me XD
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The new gifs look like the sprites I used to make when I coded "games" for fun. Definitely doesn't look like a professional work, wtf.....
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Compare this to age of empires the remaster lol...
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On June 25 2017 08:03 tec27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 07:14 Qikz wrote:On June 25 2017 06:33 tec27 wrote:On June 25 2017 06:09 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 05:36 BigFan wrote:On June 25 2017 04:39 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 03:43 Levque wrote:
Being able to use the original sprites is cool ( I know I'll be using them) but remember, Blizzard is going to force the Korean tournaments to use the remaster and I assume the new sprites. Anyone looking forward to all future BW competition being a eye sore???
The "nostalgia" excuse is tired as hell, these sprites are just low quality. Blizzard needs to go back to the drawing board and delay the game if needed to do this right. Where the hell are you getting that from? ASL4 will be using remastered, rather waiting for it. I can only presume the same for the rest. So, I think this past ASL and this upcoming ATB are the only remaining tourneys that will be using the standard version. Do we actually have any information that blizzard is forcing these tournaments--- and any future online or offline tournament -- to do this? Adoption=/=forced adoption afterall. Seems extremely likely that they will, given that they also forced the ASL to switch to 1.18 this past season (and only relented after much complaining from both fans and pros). Blizzard's "if you don't want to switch, you won't have to!" statements only go as far as they don't affect their own bottom line. That's a big statement without any actual proof. I respect you tec, but people shouldn't be making statements like this without any verifiable evidence. I gave some in the previous statement? Or you could go back further and look at what Blizzard did to Kespa's BW leagues after they made they same sort of statements about BW vs SC2? There's plenty of history behind this.
Previous company history and evidence regarding a statement are not the same thing.
There are reasons to believe that a company like blizzard tends to make the same mistakes they made in the past, but things really need to be assessed case by case.
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On June 26 2017 02:26 JungleTerrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 08:03 tec27 wrote:On June 25 2017 07:14 Qikz wrote:On June 25 2017 06:33 tec27 wrote:On June 25 2017 06:09 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 05:36 BigFan wrote:On June 25 2017 04:39 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 03:43 Levque wrote:
Being able to use the original sprites is cool ( I know I'll be using them) but remember, Blizzard is going to force the Korean tournaments to use the remaster and I assume the new sprites. Anyone looking forward to all future BW competition being a eye sore???
The "nostalgia" excuse is tired as hell, these sprites are just low quality. Blizzard needs to go back to the drawing board and delay the game if needed to do this right. Where the hell are you getting that from? ASL4 will be using remastered, rather waiting for it. I can only presume the same for the rest. So, I think this past ASL and this upcoming ATB are the only remaining tourneys that will be using the standard version. Do we actually have any information that blizzard is forcing these tournaments--- and any future online or offline tournament -- to do this? Adoption=/=forced adoption afterall. Seems extremely likely that they will, given that they also forced the ASL to switch to 1.18 this past season (and only relented after much complaining from both fans and pros). Blizzard's "if you don't want to switch, you won't have to!" statements only go as far as they don't affect their own bottom line. That's a big statement without any actual proof. I respect you tec, but people shouldn't be making statements like this without any verifiable evidence. I gave some in the previous statement? Or you could go back further and look at what Blizzard did to Kespa's BW leagues after they made they same sort of statements about BW vs SC2? There's plenty of history behind this. Previous company history and evidence regarding a statement are not the same thing. There are reasons to believe that a company like blizzard tends to make the same mistakes they made in the past, but things really need to be assessed case by case.
Meh. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that Blizzard doesn't have Brood Wars best interest at heart. And that they are now just pushing a new product in favor of killing their old one. Just like they did before.
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Yeah, honestly, wtf is this? Where do we sign a petition or spam Blizzard devs to do something about this abomination?
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On June 26 2017 02:46 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 02:26 JungleTerrain wrote:On June 25 2017 08:03 tec27 wrote:On June 25 2017 07:14 Qikz wrote:On June 25 2017 06:33 tec27 wrote:On June 25 2017 06:09 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 05:36 BigFan wrote:On June 25 2017 04:39 Dazed. wrote:On June 25 2017 03:43 Levque wrote:
Being able to use the original sprites is cool ( I know I'll be using them) but remember, Blizzard is going to force the Korean tournaments to use the remaster and I assume the new sprites. Anyone looking forward to all future BW competition being a eye sore???
The "nostalgia" excuse is tired as hell, these sprites are just low quality. Blizzard needs to go back to the drawing board and delay the game if needed to do this right. Where the hell are you getting that from? ASL4 will be using remastered, rather waiting for it. I can only presume the same for the rest. So, I think this past ASL and this upcoming ATB are the only remaining tourneys that will be using the standard version. Do we actually have any information that blizzard is forcing these tournaments--- and any future online or offline tournament -- to do this? Adoption=/=forced adoption afterall. Seems extremely likely that they will, given that they also forced the ASL to switch to 1.18 this past season (and only relented after much complaining from both fans and pros). Blizzard's "if you don't want to switch, you won't have to!" statements only go as far as they don't affect their own bottom line. That's a big statement without any actual proof. I respect you tec, but people shouldn't be making statements like this without any verifiable evidence. I gave some in the previous statement? Or you could go back further and look at what Blizzard did to Kespa's BW leagues after they made they same sort of statements about BW vs SC2? There's plenty of history behind this. Previous company history and evidence regarding a statement are not the same thing. There are reasons to believe that a company like blizzard tends to make the same mistakes they made in the past, but things really need to be assessed case by case. Meh. I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that Blizzard doesn't have Brood Wars best interest at heart. And that they are now just pushing a new product in favor of killing their old one. Just like they did before. The new product literally is broodwar, however, which makes this claim more than a little fucking weird...
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On June 26 2017 00:11 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:05 metzoor wrote:On June 25 2017 13:00 MamiyaOtaru wrote:eurgh those death sprites look bad. In the sense that they don't look like the originals (but in HD) which things pretty much looked like before. Tank shell impacts and tank explosions looking different too. What happened to keeping things the same but higher res? Like a lot of the nitpicking (it's too shiny! etc) has been a bit much but these things are just straight up different, and I thought that was against their mandate. The mutas popping too.. just everything in those gifs I watched and interview with the head designer(?) of the remaster somewhere on youtube, and he said that some sprites were not recoverable since the game is so old that Blizzard no longer had them. They had to make a lot of sprites and make them look like old bw or at least similar with HD. Early announcement showed the same and loyal to BW death animation in HD. Seems like they felt the need to rework death animations altogether. So that's partly what they have been working on (and don't tell me they weren't. Any graphic designer can tell you that it is more time consuming to make new animations than fleshing out the old ones.) . Cant say that I am satisfied with the results. Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 13:11 BigFan wrote:
I think that we should wait some more before passing any further judgement on the sprites etc... I just highly doubt they changed sprites since they showed the last trailer and hopefully they prove me right lol. I respectfully disagree. People need to be vocal about this because once the game gets shipped. changing animations are out of the question. This game deserves the harshest criticism on any potential change. Even if it is "just" changing graphics.
Every go post in this thread: us.battle.net to show our concern, just in case this is really the case... We should either clear this up, or get some more info on this. Do not wait until we have a shipped product, and there is nothing more that can be done about an ugly and messed up BW that we'll be forced to watch from then on till eternity as all official Korean leagues will be streamed using it...
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On June 26 2017 04:23 fazek42 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 00:11 404AlphaSquad wrote:On June 25 2017 13:05 metzoor wrote:On June 25 2017 13:00 MamiyaOtaru wrote:eurgh those death sprites look bad. In the sense that they don't look like the originals (but in HD) which things pretty much looked like before. Tank shell impacts and tank explosions looking different too. What happened to keeping things the same but higher res? Like a lot of the nitpicking (it's too shiny! etc) has been a bit much but these things are just straight up different, and I thought that was against their mandate. The mutas popping too.. just everything in those gifs I watched and interview with the head designer(?) of the remaster somewhere on youtube, and he said that some sprites were not recoverable since the game is so old that Blizzard no longer had them. They had to make a lot of sprites and make them look like old bw or at least similar with HD. Early announcement showed the same and loyal to BW death animation in HD. Seems like they felt the need to rework death animations altogether. So that's partly what they have been working on (and don't tell me they weren't. Any graphic designer can tell you that it is more time consuming to make new animations than fleshing out the old ones.) . Cant say that I am satisfied with the results. On June 25 2017 13:11 BigFan wrote:
I think that we should wait some more before passing any further judgement on the sprites etc... I just highly doubt they changed sprites since they showed the last trailer and hopefully they prove me right lol. I respectfully disagree. People need to be vocal about this because once the game gets shipped. changing animations are out of the question. This game deserves the harshest criticism on any potential change. Even if it is "just" changing graphics. Every go post in this thread: us.battle.net to show our concern, just in case this is really the case... We should either clear this up, or get some more info on this. Do not wait until we have a shipped product, and there is nothing more that can be done about an ugly and messed up BW that we'll be forced to watch from then on till eternity as all official Korean leagues will be streamed using it...
Good idea, better act before it's too late, they may not even realized how bad it is.
Done
edit: wtf we can't actually say "shit" on Blizzard's forums? what has the world become...
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Blues were pretty quick and diligent replying to threads/posts and fixing issues relating to 1.18 bugs and UI improvements but I have not seen them say anything whatsoever regarding peoples concerns with some of the new unit designs/death animations.
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Teamliquid alexa traffic graph, pretty decent boost since remastered announcement.
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Mmm still way more than back in the day.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N2XrVt7.jpg)
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On June 26 2017 15:26 semantics wrote:Mmm still way more than back in the day.
It's because SC2/Esports blew up and TL is known by everyone from Anthony Robbins (invested in TL) to your average gamer. Artosis, day9 and the old school players also blew up, so even though broodwar has less players on the blizzrad servers themselves, the TL traffic is likely to be increased.
It's great news though. I've been lurking on TL since the legionnaire days (I'm 30+) despite my account date being quite recent :D
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Zerglings dying looks like someone stepped on a tomato.
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