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StarCraft v1.18a Patch Notes; Preparation for SC:R - Page 12

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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 11:39:52
March 27 2017 11:37 GMT
#221
On March 27 2017 20:29 duke91 wrote:
You dont understand. I am superior in intellect to Flash. The only thing holding me back from beating him is because all he does is muscle memory. With no mechanics I can clearly outstrategize him and win easy. All BW is today is just mechanics, no strategy. It is a strategy game in the end.

You can play SC2 if you want MBS and other stuff. Broodwar is a different kind of game. You can choose your strategy game, but mechanics is part of what broodwar is. It also effects the balance o the game.

edit: and it's not just a strategy game, it is real time strategy game.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8652 Posts
March 27 2017 12:41 GMT
#222
On March 27 2017 20:37 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2017 20:29 duke91 wrote:
You dont understand. I am superior in intellect to Flash. The only thing holding me back from beating him is because all he does is muscle memory. With no mechanics I can clearly outstrategize him and win easy. All BW is today is just mechanics, no strategy. It is a strategy game in the end.

You can play SC2 if you want MBS and other stuff. Broodwar is a different kind of game. You can choose your strategy game, but mechanics is part of what broodwar is. It also effects the balance o the game.

edit: and it's not just a strategy game, it is real time strategy game.


He is trolling anyways.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3790 Posts
March 27 2017 12:50 GMT
#223
On March 26 2017 14:28 Probemicro wrote:
>Valkyries will fire missiles regardless of population size
>no balance change

pick one



These bug fixes will change the balance slightly in most cases but Valks are disgustingly good AvA so Terrans are going to have a great time against Zerg air.

While these 2 are focused on valks and goons aren't there rarer situations with other units having the same problem? I remember the sprite bug kicked in for another unit but I don't remember which.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50748 Posts
March 27 2017 12:54 GMT
#224
IIRC in certain rare cases carriers would not launch interceptors.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12027 Posts
March 27 2017 12:54 GMT
#225
On March 27 2017 21:50 mutantmagnet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2017 14:28 Probemicro wrote:
>Valkyries will fire missiles regardless of population size
>no balance change

pick one



These bug fixes will change the balance slightly in most cases but Valks are disgustingly good AvA so Terrans are going to have a great time against Zerg air.

While these 2 are focused on valks and goons aren't there rarer situations with other units having the same problem? I remember the sprite bug kicked in for another unit but I don't remember which.


Marines also get that stuck until stop bug, it's very annoying early game TvP when a probe survives because of it heh.
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1979 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 12:55:58
March 27 2017 12:54 GMT
#226
On March 27 2017 20:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man u can win the campaign with 1 hand whats wrong with people ?,do you want to win the game without any any effort ? lol

i loved to play ps1 dinocrisis 1 2 resident evil,metal gear,alone in the dark,soul river,great games,and they werent easy


Rofl. I played competetive when you still were shitting your pants.
But there are people these days just not having time to train 24/7 anymore or never were good at pc games.
And you will see once you hit 30 or above you are getting slower and slower.
I personally have problems with my wrist and cannot play >200 apm anymore.

Those people i meantioned will never play competetive so it would not have hurt to add an extra mode for those people.
Total Annihilation Zero
petro1987
Profile Joined May 2009
Brazil374 Posts
March 27 2017 12:55 GMT
#227
Is there any additional information on matchmaking? Is it coming with 1.18a or will be available only in a later patch when SC:R is available?
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
March 27 2017 13:01 GMT
#228
Well this is quite unexpected, they're actually going to finally fix the dragoon stop bug and the valk misfire?!

I hope mca is updated accordingly largely because that's what I use to stream...
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6829 Posts
March 27 2017 13:11 GMT
#229
On March 27 2017 21:54 TaShadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2017 20:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man u can win the campaign with 1 hand whats wrong with people ?,do you want to win the game without any any effort ? lol

i loved to play ps1 dinocrisis 1 2 resident evil,metal gear,alone in the dark,soul river,great games,and they werent easy


Rofl. I played competetive when you still were shitting your pants.
But there are people these days just not having time to train 24/7 anymore or never were good at pc games.
And you will see once you hit 30 or above you are getting slower and slower.
I personally have problems with my wrist and cannot play >200 apm anymore.

Those people i meantioned will never play competetive so it would not have hurt to add an extra mode for those people.

to play the campaign u dont need 150 apm,now i see 2 problems here,
#1 you want to play at the lvl you are used to. the better for you is to acept the reality that u will not be the player from your youth,and play slower and lower lvl.(dont worry boxer yellow and old pros know this.)
#2 like in football there is age limit to perform.now im sure BW is more than a game and this is the reason it will survive any game
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6829 Posts
March 27 2017 13:11 GMT
#230
On March 27 2017 22:01 jello_biafra wrote:
Well this is quite unexpected, they're actually going to finally fix the dragoon stop bug and the valk misfire?!

I hope mca is updated accordingly largely because that's what I use to stream...

mca already stated that the launcher will be dead for 1.18,sad to heard cuz the twitch feature is amazing
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
March 27 2017 13:14 GMT
#231
We don't even need BW HD, this patch is all we need.

I feel bad for Shieldbattery though, it was such an awesome project
If only Blizzard had faced the truth earlier and decided to release this patch 2 years ago...
ॐ
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
March 27 2017 13:14 GMT
#232
I personally have problems with my wrist and cannot play >200 apm anymore.

I recommend to learn to play with mouse acceleration. Iam thinking of doing it myself actually and i play games such as counter strike.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
March 27 2017 13:22 GMT
#233
On March 27 2017 22:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2017 22:01 jello_biafra wrote:
Well this is quite unexpected, they're actually going to finally fix the dragoon stop bug and the valk misfire?!

I hope mca is updated accordingly largely because that's what I use to stream...

mca already stated that the launcher will be dead for 1.18,sad to heard cuz the twitch feature is amazing


Damn

perhaps I can use it in the background or something...
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1979 Posts
March 27 2017 13:23 GMT
#234
On March 27 2017 22:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2017 21:54 TaShadan wrote:
On March 27 2017 20:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man u can win the campaign with 1 hand whats wrong with people ?,do you want to win the game without any any effort ? lol

i loved to play ps1 dinocrisis 1 2 resident evil,metal gear,alone in the dark,soul river,great games,and they werent easy


Rofl. I played competetive when you still were shitting your pants.
But there are people these days just not having time to train 24/7 anymore or never were good at pc games.
And you will see once you hit 30 or above you are getting slower and slower.
I personally have problems with my wrist and cannot play >200 apm anymore.

Those people i meantioned will never play competetive so it would not have hurt to add an extra mode for those people.

to play the campaign u dont need 150 apm,now i see 2 problems here,
#1 you want to play at the lvl you are used to. the better for you is to acept the reality that u will not be the player from your youth,and play slower and lower lvl.(dont worry boxer yellow and old pros know this.)
#2 like in football there is age limit to perform.now im sure BW is more than a game and this is the reason it will survive any game


Ok i see. No use, it is like talking to a wall.
Total Annihilation Zero
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6829 Posts
March 27 2017 13:28 GMT
#235
On March 27 2017 22:23 TaShadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2017 22:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On March 27 2017 21:54 TaShadan wrote:
On March 27 2017 20:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man u can win the campaign with 1 hand whats wrong with people ?,do you want to win the game without any any effort ? lol

i loved to play ps1 dinocrisis 1 2 resident evil,metal gear,alone in the dark,soul river,great games,and they werent easy


Rofl. I played competetive when you still were shitting your pants.
But there are people these days just not having time to train 24/7 anymore or never were good at pc games.
And you will see once you hit 30 or above you are getting slower and slower.
I personally have problems with my wrist and cannot play >200 apm anymore.

Those people i meantioned will never play competetive so it would not have hurt to add an extra mode for those people.

to play the campaign u dont need 150 apm,now i see 2 problems here,
#1 you want to play at the lvl you are used to. the better for you is to acept the reality that u will not be the player from your youth,and play slower and lower lvl.(dont worry boxer yellow and old pros know this.)
#2 like in football there is age limit to perform.now im sure BW is more than a game and this is the reason it will survive any game


Ok i see. No use, it is like talking to a wall.

hey u can always play sc2bw mod and im sure having every(noobfriendly) feature will be great. no? ok
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
March 27 2017 13:40 GMT
#236
On March 27 2017 19:54 iFU.pauline wrote:
I want the source code on github!!

me too
The heart's eternal vow
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 13:54:42
March 27 2017 13:54 GMT
#237
what is that valkyrie thing? was a bug or something?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
March 27 2017 14:09 GMT
#238
On March 27 2017 22:54 Garmer wrote:
what is that valkyrie thing? was a bug or something?


Valks not shooting when too many units/sprites on the map.
ॐ
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8652 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 14:37:41
March 27 2017 14:35 GMT
#239
On March 27 2017 22:23 TaShadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2017 22:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On March 27 2017 21:54 TaShadan wrote:
On March 27 2017 20:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Man u can win the campaign with 1 hand whats wrong with people ?,do you want to win the game without any any effort ? lol

i loved to play ps1 dinocrisis 1 2 resident evil,metal gear,alone in the dark,soul river,great games,and they werent easy


Rofl. I played competetive when you still were shitting your pants.
But there are people these days just not having time to train 24/7 anymore or never were good at pc games.
And you will see once you hit 30 or above you are getting slower and slower.
I personally have problems with my wrist and cannot play >200 apm anymore.

Those people i meantioned will never play competetive so it would not have hurt to add an extra mode for those people.

to play the campaign u dont need 150 apm,now i see 2 problems here,
#1 you want to play at the lvl you are used to. the better for you is to acept the reality that u will not be the player from your youth,and play slower and lower lvl.(dont worry boxer yellow and old pros know this.)
#2 like in football there is age limit to perform.now im sure BW is more than a game and this is the reason it will survive any game


Ok i see. No use, it is like talking to a wall.


I'm a hard advocate against MBS and MUS cap above 12 in competetive. However, I don't see the problem with having an optional mode with MBS and MUS cap above 12 for the campaign or LAN games. Isn't there a hack for MBS btw?
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 15:15:18
March 27 2017 14:55 GMT
#240
Once this patch hits, where is everyone migrating? Is West/East servers coming back and everyone will play there like the mid-2000s?

I'm assuming this will pretty much kill iccup (and shield battery, though I never even went there once)?


Also side question:

Price point of SC:R in the summer? I know I read somewhere earlier in this forum BW will be free now, but I'm sure that doesn't mean SC:R will be... they have to capitalize on this momentum since they've not made much money on BW over the past 15 years lol.
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