On December 12 2016 21:33 ProMeTheus112 wrote: Rapid just said during Jaedong vs Mong game : "Artosis, tell me that Brood War is the best game in the world."
Some things he says/asks does reveal that he isn't that experienced with BW but who cares
Saying "who cares" won't stop people from caring, just because you don't. It doesn't make you right and others wrong.
Excuse me? Can I not express my own opinion? I never said I was right, I said I don't care about it because there's basically never two experts casting together in any sports event. This is an appreciation thread, take your grumpiness somewhere else.
On December 13 2016 19:46 Incognoto wrote: Say what you want about Rapid but as a complete BW layman he does a pretty good job of breaking down the game for me. Artosis even more so but we already know Artosis is God's gift to Starcraft.
The problem is that you THINK you're getting the game broken down to you. What's actually happening is that you're getting very limited information and insight that you would otherwise get from a better caster.
Rapid, I love your enthusiasm, but you can't miss something as basic as whether zealot legs have been upgraded. If a protoss goes robo before expand against terran, that's something you need to comment on. Missing the fact that a robo was being built until way after it has been completed is also less than ideal.
I'd suggest that Rapid print out the standard builds, and watch for deviations. Most buildings have animations when things are being upgraded, and you can comment on them. If a player goes for a quick +1, you know they're trying to hit a certain timing. If a zerg takes an early 3rd at a mineral only, you should suspect an aggressive timing attack.
On December 14 2016 04:42 raviy wrote: The problem is that you THINK you're getting the game broken down to you. What's actually happening is that you're getting very limited information and insight that you would otherwise get from a better caster.
At this point the goal of the casters isn't to give good analysis, but to get new people to tune in regularly.
On December 14 2016 04:42 raviy wrote: The problem is that you THINK you're getting the game broken down to you. What's actually happening is that you're getting very limited information and insight that you would otherwise get from a better caster.
At this point the goal of the casters isn't to give good analysis, but to get new people to tune in regularly.
On December 13 2016 19:46 Incognoto wrote: Say what you want about Rapid but as a complete BW layman he does a pretty good job of breaking down the game for me. Artosis even more so but we already know Artosis is God's gift to Starcraft.
The problem is that you THINK you're getting the game broken down to you. What's actually happening is that you're getting very limited information and insight that you would otherwise get from a better caster.
Rapid, I love your enthusiasm, but you can't miss something as basic as whether zealot legs have been upgraded. If a protoss goes robo before expand against terran, that's something you need to comment on. Missing the fact that a robo was being built until way after it has been completed is also less than ideal.
I'd suggest that Rapid print out the standard builds, and watch for deviations. Most buildings have animations when things are being upgraded, and you can comment on them. If a player goes for a quick +1, you know they're trying to hit a certain timing. If a zerg takes an early 3rd at a mineral only, you should suspect an aggressive timing attack.
This really isnt any different than some other casters who cast nowadays.
Just wanted to chime in and say thanks again for all the positive messages and feedback. Broodwar has always been something I've been super passionate about even when I wasn't casting it so it's been a dream come true to be a part of the ASL broadcast for the past two weeks.
I've gotten a lot of advice on improving game knowledge and learning more about different timings and matchups and I wanted to thank everyone who's reached out with helpful suggestions and feedback.
At the end of the day I hope everyone watching Broodwar feels the same way I felt when I watched my first VoD in 2006. I'm no Klazart, Cholera, or NukeTheStars, I've taken tiny little pieces from everything that I loved and hope that it all helps everyone watching love Broodwar just as much.
On December 13 2016 19:46 Incognoto wrote: Say what you want about Rapid but as a complete BW layman he does a pretty good job of breaking down the game for me. Artosis even more so but we already know Artosis is God's gift to Starcraft.
The problem is that you THINK you're getting the game broken down to you. What's actually happening is that you're getting very limited information and insight that you would otherwise get from a better caster.
Rapid, I love your enthusiasm, but you can't miss something as basic as whether zealot legs have been upgraded. If a protoss goes robo before expand against terran, that's something you need to comment on. Missing the fact that a robo was being built until way after it has been completed is also less than ideal.
I'd suggest that Rapid print out the standard builds, and watch for deviations. Most buildings have animations when things are being upgraded, and you can comment on them. If a player goes for a quick +1, you know they're trying to hit a certain timing. If a zerg takes an early 3rd at a mineral only, you should suspect an aggressive timing attack.
hmm interesting
Well it would be nice to have that kind of insight but personally I don't feel that I'm too in the dark when I watch games. At least not to the point where it's an issue, for me personally. I have a basic grasp of what's going on at least
It's really about what you appreciate in casting. Some think analysis is the highest priority but to me it's way more important that the flow of the cast is good and the caster sets the atmosphere the right way. In my opinion analysis should always happen after the game is done. (well some basics obviously already in the game, but anything which goes somewhat deep is better suited to be done after we have experienced the game imo)
With that being said, gj Rapid i enjoy your casting a lot!
On December 12 2016 21:33 ProMeTheus112 wrote: Rapid just said during Jaedong vs Mong game : "Artosis, tell me that Brood War is the best game in the world."
Some things he says/asks does reveal that he isn't that experienced with BW but who cares
Saying "who cares" won't stop people from caring, just because you don't. It doesn't make you right and others wrong.
Excuse me? Can I not express my own opinion? I never said I was right, I said I don't care about it because there's basically never two experts casting together in any sports event. This is an appreciation thread, take your grumpiness somewhere else.
Ouch, um, I really didn't mean to be grumpy. Only that when you say "who cares" you overtly dismiss and attempt to invalidate the opinion and feedback of others. It actually does inherently say that your are right and that others are wrong. It's very different from "it doesn't bother me", or "I don't find it an issue because x".
It seems wrong to say "who cares" when there are plenty of people right here who do care and are trying to be constructive with it. It comes across as more like an attempt to block out criticism, even where it's delivered helpfully and in perfectly good spirit. A bit like what you just did in response to me, in fact.
On December 14 2016 18:10 rapidtransit247 wrote: Just wanted to chime in and say thanks again for all the positive messages and feedback. Broodwar has always been something I've been super passionate about even when I wasn't casting it so it's been a dream come true to be a part of the ASL broadcast for the past two weeks.
I've gotten a lot of advice on improving game knowledge and learning more about different timings and matchups and I wanted to thank everyone who's reached out with helpful suggestions and feedback.
At the end of the day I hope everyone watching Broodwar feels the same way I felt when I watched my first VoD in 2006. I'm no Klazart, Cholera, or NukeTheStars, I've taken tiny little pieces from everything that I loved and hope that it all helps everyone watching love Broodwar just as much.
Cheers dude. The vast majority of us really appreciate your casting, and I can see that you've been putting in effort. Keep up the positive energy. If you keep improving at the rate you have been in the last week, you'll have the builds down in no time.
One thing thats bugging me out every time is how loud the korean voice is during the interviews. I can barely hear what rapid and artosis are saying. Can u tell sound technicians to either silence the koreans on your stream or u get you both louder during it so it doesnt become a sound mess.
On December 15 2016 00:09 _Animus_ wrote: One thing thats bugging me out every time is how loud the korean voice is during the interviews. I can barely hear what rapid and artosis are saying. Can u tell sound technicians to either silence the koreans on your stream or u get you both louder during it so it doesnt become a sound mess.
Gave the feedback to production and hopefully you've noticed the change!
Just here to show my appreciation for rapids casts, they're very enjoyable! The lack of knowledge hasn't been bothering me since hes made it clear that hes still a novice on BW and not acted as he knew everything Heck, maybe it's even better for newcomers to have a caster whose thoughts they can relate to. Theres been a significant improvement in his knowledge tho. Artosis + Rapid has been my favourite combo by far. Maybe we will someday get a triple casting by rapid+tastosis?
On December 12 2016 04:08 outscar wrote: Rapid, can you turn up your mic volume or get mic closer to your mouth next time because sometimes it's impossible to hear you because of stupid loud music.
I think I can hear him fine, and the loud music is an essential part of Korean BW imo :p
Exactly this, I can tell if a barracks is late versus zerg based on exactly when in one part of the terran theme it starts building
It's BW offtopic: Guy casted GSL ro8 and he made it so exciting for me, especially boring TvT with his infinitive jokes! Make memes coming Rapid! Hope you are casting upcoming ASL Team League as well.
Thanks for all the support everyone. I've really loved being a part of the Afreeca BW/SC2 broadcasts so I'm glad you all have been enjoying it as much as I have.
I'm always looking to improve and available for feedback so if you have any comments or suggestions feel free to post something here or send me a message on Twitter.
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