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-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
February 17 2016 11:21 GMT
#241
o god just saw this wtf lets goooooo vs bisu pls
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 13:24:33
February 17 2016 13:24 GMT
#242
On February 17 2016 20:21 -Kyo- wrote:
o god just saw this wtf lets goooooo vs bisu pls

Already played three games I think
Bisu won all of them but he played at top of his abilities since games were pretty close :D
The Intrepid
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada205 Posts
February 17 2016 14:23 GMT
#243
On February 15 2016 11:50 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 02:46 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
God: what your name?

eonzerg: thats not your business

:D :D :D

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

if welcome4 turns out to be FlaSh lool

@The Intrepid. There's a lot more leniency in this thread but NSFW language is still a no no.



That's what I mean. When did teamliquid become concerned about NSFW words? ... and why??
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
February 17 2016 14:41 GMT
#244
On February 17 2016 23:23 The Intrepid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 11:50 c3rberUs wrote:
On February 15 2016 02:46 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
God: what your name?

eonzerg: thats not your business

:D :D :D

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

if welcome4 turns out to be FlaSh lool

@The Intrepid. There's a lot more leniency in this thread but NSFW language is still a no no.



That's what I mean. When did teamliquid become concerned about NSFW words? ... and why??


Well, they are now concerned about making a community news for Dragon joining team YP (Stands for YouPorn)
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
February 17 2016 14:51 GMT
#245
On February 17 2016 23:23 The Intrepid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 11:50 c3rberUs wrote:
On February 15 2016 02:46 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
God: what your name?

eonzerg: thats not your business

:D :D :D

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

if welcome4 turns out to be FlaSh lool

@The Intrepid. There's a lot more leniency in this thread but NSFW language is still a no no.



That's what I mean. When did teamliquid become concerned about NSFW words? ... and why??

This is what I was also wondering and made an inquiry in staff forums. Apparently it's because of the ads. Ad networks pick up on the text that's currently on the page, which can lead to some unfortunate ads displayed on sidebar. Not sure if that's true or not though.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada509 Posts
February 17 2016 14:58 GMT
#246
Anyone able to provide a translation of what the actual banner says? Like the numbers 30 and 50 are mentioned, does that have to do with Afreeca's donation system?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
February 17 2016 15:16 GMT
#247
irrelevant to foreign viewers. it's related to the quick view system that afreeca has in place (which i have no idea how it works)
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WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
February 17 2016 15:29 GMT
#248
On February 17 2016 23:51 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 23:23 The Intrepid wrote:
On February 15 2016 11:50 c3rberUs wrote:
On February 15 2016 02:46 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
God: what your name?

eonzerg: thats not your business

:D :D :D

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

if welcome4 turns out to be FlaSh lool

@The Intrepid. There's a lot more leniency in this thread but NSFW language is still a no no.



That's what I mean. When did teamliquid become concerned about NSFW words? ... and why??

This is what I was also wondering and made an inquiry in staff forums. Apparently it's because of the ads. Ad networks pick up on the text that's currently on the page, which can lead to some unfortunate ads displayed on sidebar. Not sure if that's true or not though.

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Now, we wait.

User was temp banned for this post.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 17 2016 15:32 GMT
#249
I thought all ads here had to do with mail order brides.
rip passion
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 15:45:49
February 17 2016 15:44 GMT
#250
On February 18 2016 00:16 GTR wrote:
irrelevant to foreign viewers. it's related to the quick view system that afreeca has in place (which i have no idea how it works)


Afreeca streamers have stream viewer limits depending on which package the streamer buys. When the viewer limit is reached, relay streams are set up automatically. They are basically the same stream on a different chat room. By purchasing this "quick view", viewers get to skip ads and are allowed in the main chat room even if the viewer limit has been reached.
T P Z sagi
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
February 17 2016 15:53 GMT
#251
On February 18 2016 00:16 GTR wrote:
irrelevant to foreign viewers. it's related to the quick view system that afreeca has in place (which i have no idea how it works)

you can still view it.. its just you get to see stream chat in main room with quick view. NOW that is completely irrelevant the chat part
Life is just life
WiSaGaN
Profile Joined July 2006
203 Posts
February 17 2016 15:57 GMT
#252
I just sign in to reply to this post.
Yes!!
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
February 17 2016 16:17 GMT
#253
On February 14 2016 21:26 esdf wrote:
I'm spraying *** everywhere!
mod edit - removed NSFW language


Dude, come the fuck on.

A little warning or NSFW tag might be nice, the opening with the Jap girls moaning got me good X_X
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
February 17 2016 16:19 GMT
#254
On February 18 2016 01:17 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 21:26 esdf wrote:
I'm spraying *** everywhere!
mod edit - removed NSFW language


Dude, come the fuck on.

A little warning or NSFW tag might be nice, the opening with the Jap girls moaning got me good X_X


Ok it might have been the boy struggling to catch up that was making the moaning sounds, but my classmates don't know that O_o
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada509 Posts
February 17 2016 19:11 GMT
#255
On February 18 2016 00:16 GTR wrote:
irrelevant to foreign viewers. it's related to the quick view system that afreeca has in place (which i have no idea how it works)


Thanks =). Just ~ 3 more days until God himself streams! Now we just need Jaedong to retire so we could at least have TaekLeeSsang!
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 20:12:10
February 17 2016 19:59 GMT
#256
On February 17 2016 05:48 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 04:19 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On February 16 2016 17:17 WrathSCII wrote:
On February 16 2016 08:19 L_Master wrote:
On February 15 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote:
On February 15 2016 07:41 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 15 2016 07:10 letian wrote:
On February 15 2016 05:05 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On February 15 2016 04:59 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm actually so hyped for this, the resurrection of the best eSport is getting closer every day!

I followed Brood War for a very long time but never actually played it. It wasn't until a couple of months ago I actually picked up the game and played it myself. I know the history of the game in and out, but I was never part of it. Just a spectator.

Every day I see the Fish population growing, more lobbies, more people in chats, clans are taking in new people all the time, and the community is just a lot more upbeat compared to what I've seen and even when I first got on Fish. Ygosu is really active, Naver cafes are picking up speed, it's just amazing to see how quickly this game is picking up steam in Korea again.

It feels great knowing I'm not the only one that's hopped on the next Brood War train. As somebody that speaks Korean and English and is involved with both scenes, I can just see the growth.

Too bad iCCup is still a trash bin though. Shameless plug: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503777-600-fish-maps-again

I try to be optimistic, but there is no future unless we see some young players coming.
Where are they?
Flash and other blokes are nice, but they are just old-timers who once again stand up to bring back all the sweet memories.

Seriously, they should make BW a national sport.


I think we are in the rebuilding phase.

The structure have to be rebuild in order to progress further.

And having those players back WILL generate more interests in ACTUALLY going to Fish to maybe even face against the great and improve one's skills.

Please be optimistic guys, this infighting is depressive....


In the past, you had to go through a grueling Courage tournament in order to even get a progamer license, had to be part of a proteam and live in a house with them and work on their schedule, which prevented players from having productive lives outside of the game.

Now, the entry point is "be good." The best players get recognition, viewers, and balloons. They play and stream when they want. Of course personality plays a factor in this as well, but that's besides the point. I am saying all of this to illustrate the fact that now you don't have to put your IRL on hold, just dedicate more of your free time to practice. There is a much less convoluted, systematic, and prohibitive entry process for BW players to go big, thanks to afreeca. I think this might be a better foundation than the old system at aggregating new players.

I was talking about this with someone just earlier today: I think that BW's resurgence is a testament to its timelessness and endurance. We've gone through the dark ages and are now on our second wind. There is no reason to not be optimistic about the future of BW.


I'm very optimistic on BW for the next couple of years. On a timescale more like 5-10 years...not so confident.

Why the concern? It's been 4 years now since BW was forced to give way to SC2. In that time, not one player that wasn't on a KeSPA team has had any sort of success. The scene is utterly dominated by the ex pros.

Quite simply, given their many years of intense practice and training they are still vastly better than any of the guys that never had that experience. Maybe guys working their butt off 10 hours a day could claw their way up to that level, but as I will talk about we will not see this happen.

Equally important, all the star power and interest lie with the ex pros, with the exception of the rare streaming personality like a Britney. Beyond that, people want to watch the former pros play because they have more memories and emotional ties to them and quite honestly the level of play is far superior. None of the players lacking significant KeSPA experience receive many viewers. Additionally, none of them are good enough to make an impact in leagues or to earn any amount of financial incentive through them. Bottom line take away is that their is absolutely no financial incentive available for 'rising amateurs', and their isn't really even a viewer or popularity incentive.

For the KR amateurs playing, they are playing almost purely for the same reason foreigners are; because they love SC. Which is totally fine, but given the skill chasm that already exists between former KeSPA pros and those lacking that experience, the gap only has a chance of being bridged with a professional caliber dedicated practice regimen. Given what we already know from the financial incentives for amateurs, their is no way to justify or support the 10+ hour days of focused practice necessary to rise to that level.

What this all means is that we will not see any player lacking KeSPA experience produce notable results in the scene. This leads to two (well three if you consider the deeply improbable) possible outcomes:

1) When most of the ex pros start leaving some of the amateur players can start being more competitive in the tournaments. However, with the disappearance of the star power and significant drop in talent level, viewership will decline and the overall interest will wane significantly.
2) The more optimistic outlook is that people truly love BW, and even when the KeSPA pros leave fans will still keep watching, despite the lack of their favorite personalities and inevitable drop in skill level. This will then support a low level BW scene that can continue to exist and be sustained by an overall lower level talent pool that allows new players on more reasonable practice regimens to rise into the ranks. BW scene will continue to exist in a healthy state, but never at the level of competition seen currently, let alone between 09-11.
3) Some unexpected significant twist comes that restores BW pro structure and results in a complete revival of a professional BW scene.

Without radical overhaul of the current system, I'm extremely confident that in the current environment we will not see any amateur achieve any form of consistent + decent (top 16) results in any Korean leagues. An amateur may get a hot hand and have a decent run in one league, but no one is going to appear that can routinely compete with the KeSPA trained pros.

The question then is where does BW go when their is a void left to be filled after the legends of KeSPA era progaming have left?


But if we see more BW tournaments and more sponsors for it, wouldn't that encourage a system (KeSPA-like) to foster talents to keep the scene going?
In what sense was kespa ever useful to bw? In what sense would a cabal/monopoly ever be good for anything? Kespa didnt attract sponsors, they kept our rival leagues and made bizarre and arcane rules.

Their organization was essential to promoting the viability of Brood War as mass-media entertainment. Let's give credit where credit is due: without KeSPA, none of the ex-pro players we love now would ever have been as good as they are now. It is the stringent demands of the organization and the consequent team rivalry dynamic that forced players to go above and beyond the wildest imaginations of skill. Year after year, people were improving relative to their previous selves, but simultaneously being overcome by players who improved at a faster rate. Such an environment would not have been possible without an organized team structure, in my opinion.

Is it necessary now? I don't think so. I commented on this above, and L_Master brought up good points to refute this, but it comes down to the fact that technology and media are vastly different now than they were in the 00's. Here's hoping that self-motivation takes us as far as borderline fascist dictatorship.
Like what? Did banning chat make sponsors want to invest? Did kespa handle media appearances and images of the players? No, team managers did that. Can we credit them with excellent maps? No, we can credit leagues and map makers for that. Can we credit them for a coherent set of rules that brought legitimacy to the game? Certainly not. I cant think of anything they did save creating a cabal of interested parties that bullied out competitors.

edit: teams as well as teams with corporate sponsorship predate Kespa. Money follows popularity, broodwar was popular and ergo would of had corporations looking to make bank whether or not the organization existed. Government policy can give out tax incentives without an organization like kespa actually existing, so, what did they do that was actually uniquely beneficial? They didnt bring in money, they didnt set up the actual apparatus by which leagues organized (the leagues did that themselves), they didnt establish or organize the teams (players and the teams did that), they didnt make the game popular (the game and media appearances by grr, boxer and ssaamjang did that).
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zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 20:33:27
February 17 2016 20:23 GMT
#257
https://www.mediafire.com/?cboxmzuntapb85a

however, eonzerg's opponent was not god.
agentzimp
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6830 Posts
February 17 2016 20:34 GMT
#258
On February 18 2016 05:23 zimp wrote:
https://www.mediafire.com/?cboxmzuntapb85a

however, eonzerg's opponent was not god.

thx god
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
February 17 2016 20:37 GMT
#259
On February 17 2016 06:14 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 16:15 papaz wrote:
Flash playing BW is great! Awesome that he is going to stream, glhf Flash hope you destroy some nerds on stream

However this is terrible for Starcraft as such. For some reason SC2 wasn't the success we all wanted it to be.

Some didn't like the mechanics (simplification), some the units, others the maps.

Whatever the reason is I'm disappointed that Blizzard didn't at the very least gather all the pros to one game because as a spectator (I hardly play anymore) I love watching the pros and just seeing all the names in one tournament made me look forward to the weekend, getting some beer and pizza and watch starcraft all day.

That hype is now gone

Blizzard attacked Starcraft for money. But attention and momentum shifting to BW is good for Starcraft, because it is the better game. If people remember Starcraft as being SC2, with the lesser depth, micro, strategy and everything that SC2 lacks compared to BW and the flaws it has like huge volatility etc, that is bad for Starcraft and bad for RTS. Whether RTS must remain a niche genre from now on, or make a revival at some point in the future, the reference for it must be the best game, and that is BW. Furthermore, it is imaginable that RTS lost momentum because of SC2. First of all because BW was the #1 and it got attacked by Blizzard to make way for SC2. Secondly because SC2 doesn't bring a lot of new things on the table and was never as much fun even for casual players to play online. If SC2 had been the amazing game it should have been, RTS would likely be in a much better spot right now. Because it is not, the best thing we can hope for is that BW is recognized and looked at as the reference for RTS. In My Opinion.


They say the people who talk about vanilla wow like it is the best game ever invented are the most cynical people on the internet but people like you really take the cake. Those rose tinted goggles are so thick you cant see through them. I like BW, i was old enough to play it when it was released and still remember it. It was in no way funner to casual players than sc2 is, unless playing comp stomps is considered fun. When starcraft 2 came out it was actually pretty big for a few years, people moved on to other genres its not that big of a deal. Its not like if they didn't make sc2 there would be 200k people watching BW tournaments. I know this is a BW website but please stop treating starcraft 2 like it destroyed the structure of esport.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
February 17 2016 20:46 GMT
#260
On February 17 2016 22:24 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 20:21 -Kyo- wrote:
o god just saw this wtf lets goooooo vs bisu pls

Already played three games I think
Bisu won all of them but he played at top of his abilities since games were pretty close :D


It was 3-1, 1 macro game where "flash" was undisturbed went to him.
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