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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-15 22:41:43
February 15 2016 22:40 GMT
#201
With Flash's return speculations about BW revival sprung up with more intensity.
Having read all the optimistic comments make me feel optimistic but I still feel like we need a proper Proleague in BW.
Like it was the days before, with all that spartan training schedule and striving for perfection.
What we have now are echoes of brilliance from some of the best players. Echoes eventually fade.
I followed BW since university, now I have a job, life, but I still keep coming back. Let's wait and enjoy, be it the last echoes or the new beginning of the good old game.

And no matter what you say, football, chess, Go are hundreds years old, if there is competition, the game lives.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
February 15 2016 23:05 GMT
#202
On February 16 2016 07:40 letian wrote:
With Flash's return speculations about BW revival sprung up with more intensity.
Having read all the optimistic comments make me feel optimistic but I still feel like we need a proper Proleague in BW.
Like it was the days before, with all that spartan training schedule and striving for perfection.
What we have now are echoes of brilliance from some of the best players. Echoes eventually fade.
I followed BW since university, now I have a job, life, but I still keep coming back. Let's wait and enjoy, be it the last echoes or the new beginning of the good old game.

And no matter what you say, football, chess, Go are hundreds years old, if there is competition, the game lives.

bw will only start dying when a true successor to its legacy comes out
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 15 2016 23:09 GMT
#203
On February 16 2016 07:40 letian wrote:
With Flash's return speculations about BW revival sprung up with more intensity.
Having read all the optimistic comments make me feel optimistic but I still feel like we need a proper Proleague in BW.
Like it was the days before, with all that spartan training schedule and striving for perfection.
What we have now are echoes of brilliance from some of the best players. Echoes eventually fade.
I followed BW since university, now I have a job, life, but I still keep coming back. Let's wait and enjoy, be it the last echoes or the new beginning of the good old game.

And no matter what you say, football, chess, Go are hundreds years old, if there is competition, the game lives.


Come on man, let's not kill the buzz.....
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
February 15 2016 23:19 GMT
#204
On February 15 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 07:41 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 15 2016 07:10 letian wrote:
On February 15 2016 05:05 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On February 15 2016 04:59 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm actually so hyped for this, the resurrection of the best eSport is getting closer every day!

I followed Brood War for a very long time but never actually played it. It wasn't until a couple of months ago I actually picked up the game and played it myself. I know the history of the game in and out, but I was never part of it. Just a spectator.

Every day I see the Fish population growing, more lobbies, more people in chats, clans are taking in new people all the time, and the community is just a lot more upbeat compared to what I've seen and even when I first got on Fish. Ygosu is really active, Naver cafes are picking up speed, it's just amazing to see how quickly this game is picking up steam in Korea again.

It feels great knowing I'm not the only one that's hopped on the next Brood War train. As somebody that speaks Korean and English and is involved with both scenes, I can just see the growth.

Too bad iCCup is still a trash bin though. Shameless plug: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503777-600-fish-maps-again

I try to be optimistic, but there is no future unless we see some young players coming.
Where are they?
Flash and other blokes are nice, but they are just old-timers who once again stand up to bring back all the sweet memories.

Seriously, they should make BW a national sport.


I think we are in the rebuilding phase.

The structure have to be rebuild in order to progress further.

And having those players back WILL generate more interests in ACTUALLY going to Fish to maybe even face against the great and improve one's skills.

Please be optimistic guys, this infighting is depressive....


In the past, you had to go through a grueling Courage tournament in order to even get a progamer license, had to be part of a proteam and live in a house with them and work on their schedule, which prevented players from having productive lives outside of the game.

Now, the entry point is "be good." The best players get recognition, viewers, and balloons. They play and stream when they want. Of course personality plays a factor in this as well, but that's besides the point. I am saying all of this to illustrate the fact that now you don't have to put your IRL on hold, just dedicate more of your free time to practice. There is a much less convoluted, systematic, and prohibitive entry process for BW players to go big, thanks to afreeca. I think this might be a better foundation than the old system at aggregating new players.

I was talking about this with someone just earlier today: I think that BW's resurgence is a testament to its timelessness and endurance. We've gone through the dark ages and are now on our second wind. There is no reason to not be optimistic about the future of BW.


I'm very optimistic on BW for the next couple of years. On a timescale more like 5-10 years...not so confident.

Why the concern? It's been 4 years now since BW was forced to give way to SC2. In that time, not one player that wasn't on a KeSPA team has had any sort of success. The scene is utterly dominated by the ex pros.

Quite simply, given their many years of intense practice and training they are still vastly better than any of the guys that never had that experience. Maybe guys working their butt off 10 hours a day could claw their way up to that level, but as I will talk about we will not see this happen.

Equally important, all the star power and interest lie with the ex pros, with the exception of the rare streaming personality like a Britney. Beyond that, people want to watch the former pros play because they have more memories and emotional ties to them and quite honestly the level of play is far superior. None of the players lacking significant KeSPA experience receive many viewers. Additionally, none of them are good enough to make an impact in leagues or to earn any amount of financial incentive through them. Bottom line take away is that their is absolutely no financial incentive available for 'rising amateurs', and their isn't really even a viewer or popularity incentive.

For the KR amateurs playing, they are playing almost purely for the same reason foreigners are; because they love SC. Which is totally fine, but given the skill chasm that already exists between former KeSPA pros and those lacking that experience, the gap only has a chance of being bridged with a professional caliber dedicated practice regimen. Given what we already know from the financial incentives for amateurs, their is no way to justify or support the 10+ hour days of focused practice necessary to rise to that level.

What this all means is that we will not see any player lacking KeSPA experience produce notable results in the scene. This leads to two (well three if you consider the deeply improbable) possible outcomes:

1) When most of the ex pros start leaving some of the amateur players can start being more competitive in the tournaments. However, with the disappearance of the star power and significant drop in talent level, viewership will decline and the overall interest will wane significantly.
2) The more optimistic outlook is that people truly love BW, and even when the KeSPA pros leave fans will still keep watching, despite the lack of their favorite personalities and inevitable drop in skill level. This will then support a low level BW scene that can continue to exist and be sustained by an overall lower level talent pool that allows new players on more reasonable practice regimens to rise into the ranks. BW scene will continue to exist in a healthy state, but never at the level of competition seen currently, let alone between 09-11.
3) Some unexpected significant twist comes that restores BW pro structure and results in a complete revival of a professional BW scene.

Without radical overhaul of the current system, I'm extremely confident that in the current environment we will not see any amateur achieve any form of consistent + decent (top 16) results in any Korean leagues. An amateur may get a hot hand and have a decent run in one league, but no one is going to appear that can routinely compete with the KeSPA trained pros.

The question then is where does BW go when their is a void left to be filled after the legends of KeSPA era progaming have left?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
krzych113
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United Kingdom547 Posts
February 15 2016 23:23 GMT
#205
? : )
Maks
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine203 Posts
February 15 2016 23:53 GMT
#206
Can't wait. Terrans need some fresh blood. Even though i'm Flash hater but i still love BW more than I hate Flash. Welcome back Ultimate Weapon!
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 16 2016 00:09 GMT
#207
On February 16 2016 08:19 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote:
On February 15 2016 07:41 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 15 2016 07:10 letian wrote:
On February 15 2016 05:05 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On February 15 2016 04:59 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm actually so hyped for this, the resurrection of the best eSport is getting closer every day!

I followed Brood War for a very long time but never actually played it. It wasn't until a couple of months ago I actually picked up the game and played it myself. I know the history of the game in and out, but I was never part of it. Just a spectator.

Every day I see the Fish population growing, more lobbies, more people in chats, clans are taking in new people all the time, and the community is just a lot more upbeat compared to what I've seen and even when I first got on Fish. Ygosu is really active, Naver cafes are picking up speed, it's just amazing to see how quickly this game is picking up steam in Korea again.

It feels great knowing I'm not the only one that's hopped on the next Brood War train. As somebody that speaks Korean and English and is involved with both scenes, I can just see the growth.

Too bad iCCup is still a trash bin though. Shameless plug: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503777-600-fish-maps-again

I try to be optimistic, but there is no future unless we see some young players coming.
Where are they?
Flash and other blokes are nice, but they are just old-timers who once again stand up to bring back all the sweet memories.

Seriously, they should make BW a national sport.


I think we are in the rebuilding phase.

The structure have to be rebuild in order to progress further.

And having those players back WILL generate more interests in ACTUALLY going to Fish to maybe even face against the great and improve one's skills.

Please be optimistic guys, this infighting is depressive....


In the past, you had to go through a grueling Courage tournament in order to even get a progamer license, had to be part of a proteam and live in a house with them and work on their schedule, which prevented players from having productive lives outside of the game.

Now, the entry point is "be good." The best players get recognition, viewers, and balloons. They play and stream when they want. Of course personality plays a factor in this as well, but that's besides the point. I am saying all of this to illustrate the fact that now you don't have to put your IRL on hold, just dedicate more of your free time to practice. There is a much less convoluted, systematic, and prohibitive entry process for BW players to go big, thanks to afreeca. I think this might be a better foundation than the old system at aggregating new players.

I was talking about this with someone just earlier today: I think that BW's resurgence is a testament to its timelessness and endurance. We've gone through the dark ages and are now on our second wind. There is no reason to not be optimistic about the future of BW.


I'm very optimistic on BW for the next couple of years. On a timescale more like 5-10 years...not so confident.

Why the concern? It's been 4 years now since BW was forced to give way to SC2. In that time, not one player that wasn't on a KeSPA team has had any sort of success. The scene is utterly dominated by the ex pros.

Quite simply, given their many years of intense practice and training they are still vastly better than any of the guys that never had that experience. Maybe guys working their butt off 10 hours a day could claw their way up to that level, but as I will talk about we will not see this happen.

Equally important, all the star power and interest lie with the ex pros, with the exception of the rare streaming personality like a Britney. Beyond that, people want to watch the former pros play because they have more memories and emotional ties to them and quite honestly the level of play is far superior. None of the players lacking significant KeSPA experience receive many viewers. Additionally, none of them are good enough to make an impact in leagues or to earn any amount of financial incentive through them. Bottom line take away is that their is absolutely no financial incentive available for 'rising amateurs', and their isn't really even a viewer or popularity incentive.

For the KR amateurs playing, they are playing almost purely for the same reason foreigners are; because they love SC. Which is totally fine, but given the skill chasm that already exists between former KeSPA pros and those lacking that experience, the gap only has a chance of being bridged with a professional caliber dedicated practice regimen. Given what we already know from the financial incentives for amateurs, their is no way to justify or support the 10+ hour days of focused practice necessary to rise to that level.

What this all means is that we will not see any player lacking KeSPA experience produce notable results in the scene. This leads to two (well three if you consider the deeply improbable) possible outcomes:

1) When most of the ex pros start leaving some of the amateur players can start being more competitive in the tournaments. However, with the disappearance of the star power and significant drop in talent level, viewership will decline and the overall interest will wane significantly.
2) The more optimistic outlook is that people truly love BW, and even when the KeSPA pros leave fans will still keep watching, despite the lack of their favorite personalities and inevitable drop in skill level. This will then support a low level BW scene that can continue to exist and be sustained by an overall lower level talent pool that allows new players on more reasonable practice regimens to rise into the ranks. BW scene will continue to exist in a healthy state, but never at the level of competition seen currently, let alone between 09-11.
3) Some unexpected significant twist comes that restores BW pro structure and results in a complete revival of a professional BW scene.

Without radical overhaul of the current system, I'm extremely confident that in the current environment we will not see any amateur achieve any form of consistent + decent (top 16) results in any Korean leagues. An amateur may get a hot hand and have a decent run in one league, but no one is going to appear that can routinely compete with the KeSPA trained pros.

The question then is where does BW go when their is a void left to be filled after the legends of KeSPA era progaming have left?


Well let's be honest here, it did TOOK A LOT of time and effort from Flash/Bisu/Effort to become well known.

And there are Ssak/Last and hero who rose to the challenge as becoming the next gen.

It usually takes about 3 years for another to hit their stride in BW.
sa1Ko
Profile Joined July 2015
Argentina99 Posts
February 16 2016 02:06 GMT
#208
there will not be a true BW revival until someone somehow release an HD version with some updates... That is what younger generations need to be persuaded this is, and will be the best RTS ever ! IMHO
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 16 2016 02:19 GMT
#209
On February 16 2016 11:06 sa1Ko wrote:
there will not be a true BW revival until someone somehow release an HD version with some updates... That is what younger generations need to be persuaded this is, and will be the best RTS ever ! IMHO


omg minecraft, undertale, (insert random indie game), all this pixellated vomit inducing **** nobody can play those unless its in modern graphics HD! oooo
HerbMon
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States472 Posts
February 16 2016 02:27 GMT
#210
anyone know a time?
How we will win in the period ahead.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 05:49:52
February 16 2016 03:19 GMT
#211
On February 16 2016 05:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 04:55 toriak wrote:
On February 16 2016 04:04 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
what time starting the stream ? ^^ i will buy pringles and cola cola :D


oO
thats not ur busines ;

Hey after 20 games with the monolgue,

english ?

from ?

oh Belgium!

Hazard ,

beer.
waffles.

this all the time hope u understand,on top of that asking for my name ? age etc ahahaha,f*ck that sh*t


Haha, you mean this one?

[image loading]

Eon must apoligize on God's stream and donate 666 afreeca ballons until 21st. Or pray gods that it wasn't his smurf. If not except the worse...

(Also you can send him a classy ruler, he will be pleased).

+ Show Spoiler +
Ah already had one:
On February 15 2016 02:46 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
God: what your name?

eonzerg: thats not your business

:D :D :D

[image loading]

sunbeams are never made like me...
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 16 2016 04:21 GMT
#212
^Yeah if welcome4 turns out to be Flash, eon must kneel, no questions asked.
ilililililililiii
Profile Joined October 2013
United States93 Posts
February 16 2016 04:33 GMT
#213
honestly this is terrible. blizzard needs to get their butt in gear.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51626 Posts
February 16 2016 04:34 GMT
#214
On February 16 2016 13:33 ilililililililiii wrote:
honestly this is terrible. blizzard needs to get their butt in gear.


what?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
ilililililililiii
Profile Joined October 2013
United States93 Posts
February 16 2016 04:46 GMT
#215
pros giving up on sc2
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51626 Posts
February 16 2016 05:04 GMT
#216
terrible for SC2 yes, blizzard remains to profit from anything involving their games regardless, since its still starcraft, as for tournaments, any tournament(offline and online I believe, though I'm not entirely sure for online) that has an upwards of 5000$ prize pool require a license from blizzard to operate.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 05:56:58
February 16 2016 05:56 GMT
#217
On February 16 2016 08:19 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote:
On February 15 2016 07:41 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 15 2016 07:10 letian wrote:
On February 15 2016 05:05 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On February 15 2016 04:59 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm actually so hyped for this, the resurrection of the best eSport is getting closer every day!

I followed Brood War for a very long time but never actually played it. It wasn't until a couple of months ago I actually picked up the game and played it myself. I know the history of the game in and out, but I was never part of it. Just a spectator.

Every day I see the Fish population growing, more lobbies, more people in chats, clans are taking in new people all the time, and the community is just a lot more upbeat compared to what I've seen and even when I first got on Fish. Ygosu is really active, Naver cafes are picking up speed, it's just amazing to see how quickly this game is picking up steam in Korea again.

It feels great knowing I'm not the only one that's hopped on the next Brood War train. As somebody that speaks Korean and English and is involved with both scenes, I can just see the growth.

Too bad iCCup is still a trash bin though. Shameless plug: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503777-600-fish-maps-again

I try to be optimistic, but there is no future unless we see some young players coming.
Where are they?
Flash and other blokes are nice, but they are just old-timers who once again stand up to bring back all the sweet memories.

Seriously, they should make BW a national sport.


I think we are in the rebuilding phase.

The structure have to be rebuild in order to progress further.

And having those players back WILL generate more interests in ACTUALLY going to Fish to maybe even face against the great and improve one's skills.

Please be optimistic guys, this infighting is depressive....


In the past, you had to go through a grueling Courage tournament in order to even get a progamer license, had to be part of a proteam and live in a house with them and work on their schedule, which prevented players from having productive lives outside of the game.

Now, the entry point is "be good." The best players get recognition, viewers, and balloons. They play and stream when they want. Of course personality plays a factor in this as well, but that's besides the point. I am saying all of this to illustrate the fact that now you don't have to put your IRL on hold, just dedicate more of your free time to practice. There is a much less convoluted, systematic, and prohibitive entry process for BW players to go big, thanks to afreeca. I think this might be a better foundation than the old system at aggregating new players.

I was talking about this with someone just earlier today: I think that BW's resurgence is a testament to its timelessness and endurance. We've gone through the dark ages and are now on our second wind. There is no reason to not be optimistic about the future of BW.


I'm very optimistic on BW for the next couple of years. On a timescale more like 5-10 years...not so confident.

Why the concern? It's been 4 years now since BW was forced to give way to SC2. In that time, not one player that wasn't on a KeSPA team has had any sort of success. The scene is utterly dominated by the ex pros.

Quite simply, given their many years of intense practice and training they are still vastly better than any of the guys that never had that experience. Maybe guys working their butt off 10 hours a day could claw their way up to that level, but as I will talk about we will not see this happen.

Equally important, all the star power and interest lie with the ex pros, with the exception of the rare streaming personality like a Britney. Beyond that, people want to watch the former pros play because they have more memories and emotional ties to them and quite honestly the level of play is far superior. None of the players lacking significant KeSPA experience receive many viewers. Additionally, none of them are good enough to make an impact in leagues or to earn any amount of financial incentive through them. Bottom line take away is that their is absolutely no financial incentive available for 'rising amateurs', and their isn't really even a viewer or popularity incentive.

For the KR amateurs playing, they are playing almost purely for the same reason foreigners are; because they love SC. Which is totally fine, but given the skill chasm that already exists between former KeSPA pros and those lacking that experience, the gap only has a chance of being bridged with a professional caliber dedicated practice regimen. Given what we already know from the financial incentives for amateurs, their is no way to justify or support the 10+ hour days of focused practice necessary to rise to that level.

What this all means is that we will not see any player lacking KeSPA experience produce notable results in the scene. This leads to two (well three if you consider the deeply improbable) possible outcomes:

1) When most of the ex pros start leaving some of the amateur players can start being more competitive in the tournaments. However, with the disappearance of the star power and significant drop in talent level, viewership will decline and the overall interest will wane significantly.
2) The more optimistic outlook is that people truly love BW, and even when the KeSPA pros leave fans will still keep watching, despite the lack of their favorite personalities and inevitable drop in skill level. This will then support a low level BW scene that can continue to exist and be sustained by an overall lower level talent pool that allows new players on more reasonable practice regimens to rise into the ranks. BW scene will continue to exist in a healthy state, but never at the level of competition seen currently, let alone between 09-11.
3) Some unexpected significant twist comes that restores BW pro structure and results in a complete revival of a professional BW scene.

Without radical overhaul of the current system, I'm extremely confident that in the current environment we will not see any amateur achieve any form of consistent + decent (top 16) results in any Korean leagues. An amateur may get a hot hand and have a decent run in one league, but no one is going to appear that can routinely compete with the KeSPA trained pros.

The question then is where does BW go when their is a void left to be filled after the legends of KeSPA era progaming have left?

Lots of truth in this one post. Short term, this is amazing news but it doesn't change long term prospects for BW making a full comeback.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
February 16 2016 06:23 GMT
#218
On February 16 2016 07:08 KadaverBB wrote:
Don't get used to all the memes guys This thread is an exception!


That is why they are abusing the shit out of it
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
February 16 2016 06:45 GMT
#219
On February 16 2016 13:33 ilililililililiii wrote:
honestly this is terrible. blizzard needs to get their butt in gear.

Yes! And do a HD version of BroodWar...
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 07:15:30
February 16 2016 07:15 GMT
#220
Flash playing BW is great! Awesome that he is going to stream, glhf Flash hope you destroy some nerds on stream

However this is terrible for Starcraft as such. For some reason SC2 wasn't the success we all wanted it to be.

Some didn't like the mechanics (simplification), some the units, others the maps.

Whatever the reason is I'm disappointed that Blizzard didn't at the very least gather all the pros to one game because as a spectator (I hardly play anymore) I love watching the pros and just seeing all the names in one tournament made me look forward to the weekend, getting some beer and pizza and watch starcraft all day.

That hype is now gone
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