Flash Stream Thread - Page 11

On February 16 2016 07:40 letian wrote:
With Flash's return speculations about BW revival sprung up with more intensity.
Having read all the optimistic comments make me feel optimistic but I still feel like we need a proper Proleague in BW.
Like it was the days before, with all that spartan training schedule and striving for perfection.
What we have now are echoes of brilliance from some of the best players. Echoes eventually fade.
I followed BW since university, now I have a job, life, but I still keep coming back. Let's wait and enjoy, be it the last echoes or the new beginning of the good old game.

And no matter what you say, football, chess, Go are hundreds years old, if there is competition, the game lives.

On February 16 2016 07:40 letian wrote:
With Flash's return speculations about BW revival sprung up with more intensity.
Having read all the optimistic comments make me feel optimistic but I still feel like we need a proper Proleague in BW.
Like it was the days before, with all that spartan training schedule and striving for perfection.
What we have now are echoes of brilliance from some of the best players. Echoes eventually fade.
I followed BW since university, now I have a job, life, but I still keep coming back. Let's wait and enjoy, be it the last echoes or the new beginning of the good old game.

And no matter what you say, football, chess, Go are hundreds years old, if there is competition, the game lives.

On February 15 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote:


In the past, you had to go through a grueling Courage tournament in order to even get a progamer license, had to be part of a proteam and live in a house with them and work on their schedule, which prevented players from having productive lives outside of the game.

Now, the entry point is "be good." The best players get recognition, viewers, and balloons. They play and stream when they want. Of course personality plays a factor in this as well, but that's besides the point. I am saying all of this to illustrate the fact that now you don't have to put your IRL on hold, just dedicate more of your free time to practice. There is a much less convoluted, systematic, and prohibitive entry process for BW players to go big, thanks to afreeca. I think this might be a better foundation than the old system at aggregating new players.

I was talking about this with someone just earlier today: I think that BW's resurgence is a testament to its timelessness and endurance. We've gone through the dark ages and are now on our second wind. There is no reason to not be optimistic about the future of BW.

On February 16 2016 08:19 L_Master wrote:


I'm very optimistic on BW for the next couple of years. On a timescale more like 5-10 years...not so confident.

Why the concern? It's been 4 years now since BW was forced to give way to SC2. In that time, not one player that wasn't on a KeSPA team has had any sort of success. The scene is utterly dominated by the ex pros.

Quite simply, given their many years of intense practice and training they are still vastly better than any of the guys that never had that experience. Maybe guys working their butt off 10 hours a day could claw their way up to that level, but as I will talk about we will not see this happen.

Equally important, all the star power and interest lie with the ex pros, with the exception of the rare streaming personality like a Britney. Beyond that, people want to watch the former pros play because they have more memories and emotional ties to them and quite honestly the level of play is far superior. None of the players lacking significant KeSPA experience receive many viewers. Additionally, none of them are good enough to make an impact in leagues or to earn any amount of financial incentive through them. Bottom line take away is that their is absolutely no financial incentive available for 'rising amateurs', and their isn't really even a viewer or popularity incentive.

For the KR amateurs playing, they are playing almost purely for the same reason foreigners are; because they love SC. Which is totally fine, but given the skill chasm that already exists between former KeSPA pros and those lacking that experience, the gap only has a chance of being bridged with a professional caliber dedicated practice regimen. Given what we already know from the financial incentives for amateurs, their is no way to justify or support the 10+ hour days of focused practice necessary to rise to that level.

What this all means is that we will not see any player lacking KeSPA experience produce notable results in the scene. This leads to two (well three if you consider the deeply improbable) possible outcomes:

1) When most of the ex pros start leaving some of the amateur players can start being more competitive in the tournaments. However, with the disappearance of the star power and significant drop in talent level, viewership will decline and the overall interest will wane significantly.
2) The more optimistic outlook is that people truly love BW, and even when the KeSPA pros leave fans will still keep watching, despite the lack of their favorite personalities and inevitable drop in skill level. This will then support a low level BW scene that can continue to exist and be sustained by an overall lower level talent pool that allows new players on more reasonable practice regimens to rise into the ranks. BW scene will continue to exist in a healthy state, but never at the level of competition seen currently, let alone between 09-11.
3) Some unexpected significant twist comes that restores BW pro structure and results in a complete revival of a professional BW scene.

Without radical overhaul of the current system, I'm extremely confident that in the current environment we will not see any amateur achieve any form of consistent + decent (top 16) results in any Korean leagues. An amateur may get a hot hand and have a decent run in one league, but no one is going to appear that can routinely compete with the KeSPA trained pros.

The question then is where does BW go when their is a void left to be filled after the legends of KeSPA era progaming have left?

On February 16 2016 11:06 sa1Ko wrote:
there will not be a true BW revival until someone somehow release an HD version with some updates... That is what younger generations need to be persuaded this is, and will be the best RTS ever ! IMHO

On February 16 2016 05:01 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

Hey after 20 games with the monolgue,

english ?

from ?

oh Belgium!

Hazard ,

beer.
waffles.

this all the time hope u understand,on top of that asking for my name ? age etc ahahaha,f*ck that sh*t

On February 16 2016 08:19 L_Master wrote:


I'm very optimistic on BW for the next couple of years. On a timescale more like 5-10 years...not so confident.

Why the concern? It's been 4 years now since BW was forced to give way to SC2. In that time, not one player that wasn't on a KeSPA team has had any sort of success. The scene is utterly dominated by the ex pros.

Quite simply, given their many years of intense practice and training they are still vastly better than any of the guys that never had that experience. Maybe guys working their butt off 10 hours a day could claw their way up to that level, but as I will talk about we will not see this happen.

Equally important, all the star power and interest lie with the ex pros, with the exception of the rare streaming personality like a Britney. Beyond that, people want to watch the former pros play because they have more memories and emotional ties to them and quite honestly the level of play is far superior. None of the players lacking significant KeSPA experience receive many viewers. Additionally, none of them are good enough to make an impact in leagues or to earn any amount of financial incentive through them. Bottom line take away is that their is absolutely no financial incentive available for 'rising amateurs', and their isn't really even a viewer or popularity incentive.

For the KR amateurs playing, they are playing almost purely for the same reason foreigners are; because they love SC. Which is totally fine, but given the skill chasm that already exists between former KeSPA pros and those lacking that experience, the gap only has a chance of being bridged with a professional caliber dedicated practice regimen. Given what we already know from the financial incentives for amateurs, their is no way to justify or support the 10+ hour days of focused practice necessary to rise to that level.

What this all means is that we will not see any player lacking KeSPA experience produce notable results in the scene. This leads to two (well three if you consider the deeply improbable) possible outcomes:

1) When most of the ex pros start leaving some of the amateur players can start being more competitive in the tournaments. However, with the disappearance of the star power and significant drop in talent level, viewership will decline and the overall interest will wane significantly.
2) The more optimistic outlook is that people truly love BW, and even when the KeSPA pros leave fans will still keep watching, despite the lack of their favorite personalities and inevitable drop in skill level. This will then support a low level BW scene that can continue to exist and be sustained by an overall lower level talent pool that allows new players on more reasonable practice regimens to rise into the ranks. BW scene will continue to exist in a healthy state, but never at the level of competition seen currently, let alone between 09-11.
3) Some unexpected significant twist comes that restores BW pro structure and results in a complete revival of a professional BW scene.

Without radical overhaul of the current system, I'm extremely confident that in the current environment we will not see any amateur achieve any form of consistent + decent (top 16) results in any Korean leagues. An amateur may get a hot hand and have a decent run in one league, but no one is going to appear that can routinely compete with the KeSPA trained pros.

The question then is where does BW go when their is a void left to be filled after the legends of KeSPA era progaming have left?

On February 16 2016 07:08 KadaverBB wrote:
Don't get used to all the memes guys This thread is an exception!

On February 16 2016 13:33 ilililililililiii wrote:
honestly this is terrible. blizzard needs to get their butt in gear.