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On January 15 2016 23:59 NiGoL wrote:also: and: I guess hes doing some casting for the BW community 
Fear mongering much?
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On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired.
It's not like this is something uncommon in casting. It happens in sports all the time that former professionals makes guest appearances at semi-finals/finals in tournaments and also in games, just look at the EU tournaments in Melee which were casted by "unknown" EU casters as well but then the star US casters took over when top 8 came around. You're talking as if Tasteless and Artosis would take over the whole BW scene when probably they'll only cast these games and that's it, it's not the end of your career. Tasteless was the one who actually got me interested in BW back when he casted WCG 2006, not only watching but he got me playing the game as well, and I know he did the same for a ton of other people. I have never heard you cast or anything but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset.
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Tastosis casting the semis and finals should bring in more people to watch BW again, which should be a positive to everyone. It's also not like they're crashing in without ever having done anything for the community; Tasteless pioneered professional English casting, first at WCG, then in Korea which he moved for and left behind everything without knowing if it'd pay off. Artosis has more than earned his marks as well. Though I can understand why you're frustrated about them stealing the thunder, realize that they've both done incredible things for BW and that their arrival can only be a net gain for the BW community at large.
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On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years.
This is kind of the discussion the SC2 community had after LotV came out and all the SC2 people came running back from Hearthstone/Heroes of the Storm.
I get why it chafes, but Artosis/Tasteless are big name casters, and having them be the casters for the English BW stream will draw more viewers than people who are mostly known in the BW scene.
Brood War fans will watch Brood War regardless, but Tasteless and Artosis can bring in dozens, maybe hundreds of new viewers, some of whom will fall in love and stick around. That's nothing but good for the scene.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. It's not like this is something uncommon in casting. It happens in sports all the time that former professionals makes guest appearances at semi-finals/finals in tournaments and also in games, just look at the EU tournaments in Melee which were casted by "unknown" EU casters as well but then the star US casters took over when top 8 came around. You're talking as if Tasteless and Artosis would take over the whole BW scene when probably they'll only cast these games and that's it, it's not the end of your career. Tasteless was the one who actually got me interested in BW back when he casted WCG 2006, not only watching but he got me playing the game as well, and I know he did the same for a ton of other people. I have never heard you cast or anything but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset.
actually he is happy and at the same time bitter about it, lets face it, BW is not a very popular game outside of korea, so any opportunity to promote it is going to make us happy even at some sacrifice, but thats kinda the point, sacrifice hurts, you're gonna wince in pain.
it sounds selfish, but I guess they can be a little selfish considering the work they put in even if a lot of it went unnoticed.
but regardless they still get to cast so if you're interested do catch their stream too.
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On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. It's not like this is something uncommon in casting. It happens in sports all the time that former professionals makes guest appearances at semi-finals/finals in tournaments and also in games, just look at the EU tournaments in Melee which were casted by "unknown" EU casters as well but then the star US casters took over when top 8 came around. You're talking as if Tasteless and Artosis would take over the whole BW scene when probably they'll only cast these games and that's it, it's not the end of your career. Tasteless was the one who actually got me interested in BW back when he casted WCG 2006, not only watching but he got me playing the game as well, and I know he did the same for a ton of other people. I have never heard you cast or anything but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset.
You see, those star apperances are normaly discussed at the start of the season so it's not like a thunderstrike from a clear sky (native idiom). So I completely understand why that makes BD upset.
As for upcoming cast- quality over quantity for me. They better be well prepared for the cast and I hope we won't be hearing "spine crawlers" throughout the games.
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On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:
[...] but you're saying that you're happy about BW getting more attention but from your posts it's pretty obvious that you're not; you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community, because I'm sorry to tell you but the community wanted Tasteless and Artosis back to cast and that's what they got. I probably sound like an angry man but your posts are very disrespectful to the people who got me into the scene and have done a ton of work and that makes me upset.
Regardless of what I think of BD's attitude about this and that, I can fully understand where he comes from, can respect him for being somewhat bitter, whereas you are the perfect symbol for everything that made most fan pages unreadable, unenjoyable and created an atmosphere of super hyped up artificial bullshit everytime a glimpse from the past is being discussed.
Let's get a few things clear: I respect Artosis, I loved Tasteless back in the day, but they're gone. They're not around anymore. I don't mind them being back every once and again, and I don't think they are to blame. People like you on the other hand are. I don't give a rat's ass about "the community" and "the attention BW now gets". You follow two somewhat known people, that's it. You won't stick around for the leagues, you won't regularly turn in, you won't donate any money, you won't do jack shit to help Brood War, and - most importantly - you won't play the game. All you will do is sit down, participate in a discussion you do not belong in and go after a comment you know was written with emotions boiling over slightly. It was by no means disrespectful or coming from some outsider, but someone who faces a shitty situation, someone who at least tries to do some shit. He wasn't even being insulting.
Again, I'm not anti-tasteless or oldschoolers, I'm against pathetic morons following them into our forums, where they feel entitled to press their crap opinions about how sisisisisiserious esportzzzz should work. If you would really care, like really, I would listen to you. But you don't, you'll be gone soon enough. Hence, keep your head up BD/XKCD, hf to those who'll enjoy the two hours of tasteless. To all hype trainer kids: go fuck yourselves.
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well they just did it bad from the begin,i never understood why afreeca having the best starcraft casters in their company decided to recruit new guys for the bw league,and for sure it sux from the point of view of dagger.but at the same time this is a good thing,many many people wanted tastosis to cast some bw (me included)so yeah im happy for that.thx to them we have alot of material to learn from,we knew better korean teams thx to them.so welcome back home boys !
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Don't be mad dude. You are not just replaced as such, but rather replaced by the best casters out there. It's like you are substituted from a match to let Messi in.
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On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community
Why do you shit talk one of the biggest contributers to this forum as if he cannot state his reasons why he stopped doing things that lost him quite a bit of money??????
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First cast is ZvZ 
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:06 iamho wrote:First cast is ZvZ
Yeah but its ZerO's ZvZ there potential for hive tech.
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Bisudagger, thank you for your nice casts
Let's hope tasteless also does a good job so we all, hopefully you too, can enjoy watching the matches.
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On January 16 2016 01:56 sabas123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community Why do you shit talk one of the biggest contributers to this forum as if he cannot state his reasons why he stopped doing things that lost him quite a bit of money??????
Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing.
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Welp, I misclicked 'no'.
I'd watch Tastosis cast The Flowers of Robert Mapplethorpe for CD-i.
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On January 16 2016 02:11 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 01:56 sabas123 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community Why do you shit talk one of the biggest contributers to this forum as if he cannot state his reasons why he stopped doing things that lost him quite a bit of money?????? Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing.
Well they are not coming back for the good will of BW only for sure.
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On January 16 2016 02:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:Yeah but its ZerO's ZvZ there potential for hive tech.
Honestly, I've always thought hive tech ZvZ was pretty boring. Usually its both players turtling in base until one game ending engagement.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:11 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 01:56 sabas123 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community Why do you shit talk one of the biggest contributers to this forum as if he cannot state his reasons why he stopped doing things that lost him quite a bit of money?????? Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing.
Who said this was about money, this has nothing to do with money
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On January 16 2016 02:18 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 02:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:On January 16 2016 02:06 iamho wrote:First cast is ZvZ Yeah but its ZerO's ZvZ there potential for hive tech. Honestly, I've always thought hive tech ZvZ was pretty boring. Usually its both players turtling in base until one game ending engagement.
Then you've never seen ZerO vs great on Triathlon
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:11 Freezard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 01:56 sabas123 wrote:On January 16 2016 00:20 Freezard wrote:On January 15 2016 22:58 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 22:49 mikedebo wrote:On January 15 2016 21:49 BisuDagger wrote:On January 15 2016 21:37 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
^its cool what youve done for the bw community and sry you got bone, really, but calling people who are coming back to bw fair weather fans, or for the first time in a while because of tastosis feels myopic, insulting and borderline obnoxious
ill be tuning in for the first time in a few years with some friends and am v excited I take good advice when I see it. I fixed my post. I more meant, there are many people who actually helped contribute to the scene and get me to a point where I could professionally cast a tournament of this level. And I would gladly share the spotlight with any of them over two casters who have contributed nothing for the past 4-5 years. Maybe we should instead consider that there probably wouldn't have been an english bw scene at all in the first place to draw a legacy from if it wasn't for them. Alternately, having the casting archon involved in this may give you and your co-casters a lot more attention and opportunity than what you had previously. Anyways I'm happy this thread exists because I didn't know any of this stuff was happening at all. Are there VODs of old matches so that I can try to catch up before this happens? I agree 100%. This would be the most awesome thing ever if they were announced the casters at the beginning of the tournament. But the difference is, we applied and we hired on as paid casters. We have been doing this cast since October. Now just two games left and we have to share this experience with them? It's like asking a player to share their 1st place trophy with someone else. I really want to be happy that Brood War is getting enough attention to bring back guys who contributed so much to building the international community and in fact I really am. But my pride has really been kicked to the curb because of how this transpired. you're selfish and you keep posting about a personal problem that isn't even shared with the community Why do you shit talk one of the biggest contributers to this forum as if he cannot state his reasons why he stopped doing things that lost him quite a bit of money?????? Uh in what way am I shit talking him? If anything he is shit talking Tasteless/Artosis, saying they're only following the calls of the $$$. The last 4 pages I've read him (and his co-commentator) complain and post how bad this is for him, being bitter is fine but it's a personal problem that doesn't belong in this thread since this thread is about Tasteless coming back to cast BW and all he's been spreading is a negative tone to the whole thing.
I haven't said anything negative about this but I do admit that BD is quite affected by this. Now, I have my personal opinions but ultimately, this will net more viewers for Brood War and that's something that we all want to achieve together.
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