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miyavi
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada245 Posts
February 22 2007 07:21 GMT
#141
is there a reason why he didnt continue with being a progamer, or he just did it for fun. Also how far off was he compared with boxer back then.
NaDa for president
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 22 2007 07:40 GMT
#142
I believe the only argument that needs to be made for Boxer's contribution to the game for things other than pure skill and mechanics is this:

There is no other progamer that all other progamers [ and especially the ' Kings ' Nada, Oov, July, Garimto etc ] mutually agree that he is the greatest caretaker of progamers and the game itself. The way Boxer has carried himself has demanded respect from every progamer that will ever play the game or has ever played the game at a competitive level. They all see him as an older brother and any of the success that any progamer receives at its very core owes some of itself to Boxer's accomplishments.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 22 2007 07:40 GMT
#143
On February 22 2007 15:44 BrutalMenace wrote:
i think were forgetting Nal_rA


to me his competitiveness / skill
is on the same level as Boxer / Nada / and all the top pros.

but again it's really hard to put anyone with savior since he's winning every fucking time.


even though I am probably a fan of ra, I will say that his accomplishments to date are nowhere near that of the frontrunners for "the greatest"
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20667 Posts
February 22 2007 07:41 GMT
#144
On February 22 2007 14:48 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2007 09:29 Last Romantic wrote:
On February 22 2007 05:13 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
For me personaly the 5 most IMPORTANT gamers for SC/BW have been :

1. Boxer
2. NaDa
3. Savior
4. Oov
5. Grrrr...

The 5 best players in terms of skills and pure multitaskin/Micro/macro ability for me are :

1. Savior
2. NaDa
3. Oov
4. [iDEF]Slayer aka hasulurker
5. Boxer

The 5 best player of all times for me are :

1. NaDa
2. Boxer
3. Savior
4. Oov
5. Grrrr...


I don't see how YellOw doesn't make the list for most important. Same with Reach. YellOw was the hope of Zerg in a time of Uboat/HoV/NFZ/Charity/Gorky/other stupid maps. He pioneered modern Zerg play and contributed greatly to the popularity of Starcraft. After all, without Jinho, where is your Lim/Jin rok?

Reach, hero toss, only toss to do well in several Starleagues, notably EVER with its Mercury. He slumps now, yes, but he was most consistent pro along with YellOw before the slump. He made standard Protoss play - and while his PvZ now is laughable, much like BoxeR's TvP, in his time it was still feared. His contributions to macro play go unnoticed too often. He was one of the first "macro players", but due to his flashy storm micro and such, people overlook it.

So I'd put it
1. BoxeR
2. Grrr...
3. YellOw
4. Reach
5. OoV


As far as importance goes, I would put July above Yellow. The importance of his ITV and 2 OSL wins should not be underestimated. Before July, zerg had no meaningful tournament victories. July, not Yellow, was the great zerg hope.


As far as better player, perhaps July above YellOw, due to wins. However, influence - YellOw is higher. July himself admits that his style is basically based on the Jinho StormZerg. So in terms of influencing the scene and the play of the game, YellOw is still top Zerg.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-22 08:17:16
February 22 2007 07:59 GMT
#145
On February 22 2007 16:41 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2007 14:48 Mindcrime wrote:
On February 22 2007 09:29 Last Romantic wrote:
On February 22 2007 05:13 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
For me personaly the 5 most IMPORTANT gamers for SC/BW have been :

1. Boxer
2. NaDa
3. Savior
4. Oov
5. Grrrr...

The 5 best players in terms of skills and pure multitaskin/Micro/macro ability for me are :

1. Savior
2. NaDa
3. Oov
4. [iDEF]Slayer aka hasulurker
5. Boxer

The 5 best player of all times for me are :

1. NaDa
2. Boxer
3. Savior
4. Oov
5. Grrrr...


I don't see how YellOw doesn't make the list for most important. Same with Reach. YellOw was the hope of Zerg in a time of Uboat/HoV/NFZ/Charity/Gorky/other stupid maps. He pioneered modern Zerg play and contributed greatly to the popularity of Starcraft. After all, without Jinho, where is your Lim/Jin rok?

Reach, hero toss, only toss to do well in several Starleagues, notably EVER with its Mercury. He slumps now, yes, but he was most consistent pro along with YellOw before the slump. He made standard Protoss play - and while his PvZ now is laughable, much like BoxeR's TvP, in his time it was still feared. His contributions to macro play go unnoticed too often. He was one of the first "macro players", but due to his flashy storm micro and such, people overlook it.

So I'd put it
1. BoxeR
2. Grrr...
3. YellOw
4. Reach
5. OoV


As far as importance goes, I would put July above Yellow. The importance of his ITV and 2 OSL wins should not be underestimated. Before July, zerg had no meaningful tournament victories. July, not Yellow, was the great zerg hope.


As far as better player, perhaps July above YellOw, due to wins. However, influence - YellOw is higher. July himself admits that his style is basically based on the Jinho StormZerg. So in terms of influencing the scene and the play of the game, YellOw is still top Zerg.


Yellow is aggressive, but July takes aggression to a completely different level and he deserves credit for that. And again, I feel that July's big tournament wins gave hope and motivation to zerg players... something which Yellow's repeated failures in zvt finals did not do.

EDIT: And if we're going to talk about playstyle influence... Byun wins. Yellow's game was practically the same as Byun's but with better execution.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
February 22 2007 08:33 GMT
#146
In my opinion slayer had 110% the talent to become something big. But he as others became consumed in poker. Also that he was too intelligent for the game in my opinion. He weighed the pros and cons of professional Brood War gaming, deciding that pursuing an education would have a better probability outcome.

His raw skill was something to admire though. I bet if you would take his sweat and drink it. INSTANT sense o' star. SPOT THE BEETLE SPOT THE BEETLE.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
BC.KoRn
Profile Joined February 2003
Canada567 Posts
February 22 2007 08:47 GMT
#147
Giyom and boxer my fav :D the pioneers
DesOndaes
Profile Joined May 2005
United States61 Posts
February 22 2007 21:46 GMT
#148
On February 22 2007 16:12 Total-War wrote:
Slayer was a Norwegian guy that played many years ago. He won tournaments, were extremely talented(He has now switched to poker, and has becomed a "multi millionare" 2-3 million dollars, has it been said) He also played his way up to go to Korea, where he won the KBK. He has a documentary that probably many of you have seen, where people like Grrrr gives comments about his extremely fast hands, bit talent and etc.(If i can recall correctly) He also got invited to be a progamer. I find this very impressive, although it was in the very early era of progaming.


Yea thats why I think slayer would have been like NaDa or Iloveoov or any pro gamer today ++ in his skill if he continued to pro game all of those years.. the kid was a genius.

And 2-3 Mill in poker nice
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