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On January 22 2007 03:41 CoralReefer wrote:
are you kidding me?
"Surado / Austria VS CoralReefer / MrSpliffy 2-0"
after we played these games, x-men-loki told us that they were not "official" matches, and indeed surado and austria were not supposed to play with each other.
normally i wouldn't have minded, but i went into these games knowing it was auto loss.
Please dont misquote me. The ONLY time I said games would be "unofficial" was when players played multiple games for the 1;1 low series, because we had decided upon a bo1 for those. About the other matches I only said they were "friendly" games.
Surado and Austria WERE supposed to team up for the BGH games. The roster was put up on the front page of bghers.com about 5 days before the event, so I dont understand why you're disputing the team.
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On January 22 2007 10:57 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:The ONLY thing I really disagree with in this MU was that the 2v2 low money team was different than the 2v2 BGH team. The point was to take average players from one side and average players from the other and see how they stack up on bgh then on low, if you change the team it screws up the whole bgh -> low balance. 
Again, the roster and teams of bghers.com were made available 5 days before the event. You should've checked the site to at least be aware of what was going on, since you were taking part in this.
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that. Surado and Austria are friends and partners, so they both also wanted to play together for BGH 2;2. I really didnt make the teams, I just selected the roster and then let the players decide what they wanted to play. Just thought it'd be more fun for them.
Also, CaucasianAsian left after his BGH games (he had to go) and I got Sacajewa to play (who was kind enough to fill in with hardly any notice). Nobody complained, because, well, its nothing to complain about. All everyone wanted were some games and everyone got them.
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On January 22 2007 18:14 EscPlan9 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2007 16:32 Hot_Bid wrote:
hes not saying that its not strategical at all, he's saying that there's less viable strategies, especially in teamplay
i think it's pretty apparent that this is true Precisely. I thought this was obviously true, since even the past TL.netter avid defenders of BGH in the "BGH pimpest plays thread", such as Gandalf, have said there are very few viable strategies in the game, and the best players know those few extremely well. And teamwork helps on any map so that's not really relevant. Good teamwork can overcome past errors regardless of the map.
By few viable strats I didnt mean 1-2 strats, I was speaking relative to low maps. And there are hundreds of low maps out, so obviously there is no way BGH can compete with low maps in the number of available strats.
Even in a mirro match with just one race like PPP vs PPP, there are a lot of builds. Eg, you can start with fast goon or two gate zealots, three gate zealots, or even four gate zealots. I've even seen people go six gate slow zealots while his ally teched hard (I remember a game of craft vs spells/58). All players on a team are not bound to do exactly the same build, so with six players playing, the combination of viable builds increases a lot.
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is this over?
i should have played
im pretty good at bgh
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On January 23 2007 07:59 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that.
That seems to say a LOT about the results though. You only have 4 guys with 1v1 decent experience, and they all played? I'm starting to think for each additional team/person we would have added to the competition, TL would have won 1 more series. Obviously the top 5-10 players on each site are going to be comparable, but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl). Next time we should include as many players as are interested, and see how it turns out.
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On January 23 2007 08:11 pr0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 07:59 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that. That seems to say a LOT about the results though. You only have 4 guys with 1v1 decent experience, and they all played? I'm starting to think for each additional team/person we would have added to the competition, TL would have won 1 more series. Obviously the top 5-10 players on each site are going to be comparable, but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl). Next time we should include as many players as are interested, and see how it turns out.
As has been said many times, the average BGHer at our website is not anything near comparable to the average BGHer in pubs. As in, we are better.
but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl).
What the hell are you talking about? You play some pub BGH games and now you beat "them" (whoever that is) half the time? And you beat "them" all the time on low? Seriously, ignorant people like you have already posted and been answered and proven wrong in 2-3 other threads, so go there if you want to continue such a dumb argument. Also, sorry to say, but the average TL.netter is probably significantly less active/skilled than the average BGHers.com member, simply by virtue of numbers as has been said; TL.net has thousands and thousands more members than we do.
And finally, as has been said many times as well, if TL top 5 played BGH players top 5, the TL top 5 would gangbang the BGHers 1on1 (duh).
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On January 23 2007 08:11 pr0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 07:59 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that. That seems to say a LOT about the results though. You only have 4 guys with 1v1 decent experience, and they all played? I'm starting to think for each additional team/person we would have added to the competition, TL would have won 1 more series. Obviously the top 5-10 players on each site are going to be comparable, but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl). Next time we should include as many players as are interested, and see how it turns out.
I lost you after the first two sentences because they seem disconnected from the rest of your post.
The latter part of your post nexus has answered.
As for the comment about only four of our players with some 1;1 experience, they wanted to play 1;1 low, so I let them. I mean, this whole thing was about having fun.
Lets just focus on the fact that two great communities got together and had some fun. Maybe this will get some tl.net people interested in bgh and some bghers.com people in low, and that would be pretty great.
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thedeadhaji
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On January 23 2007 08:53 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the two guys who had barely no (or next to nothing) 1;1 experience beat alleyn and Hnr)Insane, so I dont really understand your point at all. (Not trying to gloat, sorry)
wtf......? the guy who beat aellyn is the same guy who goes around saying they have beaten this guy and that guy from this very forum, so your claim is completely nonsensical.
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On January 23 2007 08:37 DarK]N[exuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 08:11 pr0n wrote:On January 23 2007 07:59 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that. That seems to say a LOT about the results though. You only have 4 guys with 1v1 decent experience, and they all played? I'm starting to think for each additional team/person we would have added to the competition, TL would have won 1 more series. Obviously the top 5-10 players on each site are going to be comparable, but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl). Next time we should include as many players as are interested, and see how it turns out. As has been said many times, the average BGHer at our website is not anything near comparable to the average BGHer in pubs. As in, we are better. Show nested quote +
but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl).
What the hell are you talking about? You play some pub BGH games and now you beat "them" (whoever that is) half the time? And you beat "them" all the time on low? Seriously, ignorant people like you have already posted and been answered and proven wrong in 2-3 other threads, so go there if you want to continue such a dumb argument. Also, sorry to say, but the average TL.netter is probably significantly less active/skilled than the average BGHers.com member, simply by virtue of numbers as has been said; TL.net has thousands and thousands more members than we do. And finally, as has been said many times as well, if TL top 5 played BGH players top 5, the TL top 5 would gangbang the BGHers 1on1 (duh).
Um, no, retard. I'm talking about the people at bghers.com, not public bghers. I beat pubs almost every game, and beat the founders and regulars at your site about half the time. Try reading next time.
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On January 23 2007 08:53 Gandalf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 08:11 pr0n wrote:On January 23 2007 07:59 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that. That seems to say a LOT about the results though. You only have 4 guys with 1v1 decent experience, and they all played? I'm starting to think for each additional team/person we would have added to the competition, TL would have won 1 more series. Obviously the top 5-10 players on each site are going to be comparable, but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl). Next time we should include as many players as are interested, and see how it turns out. I lost you after the first two sentences because they seem disconnected from the rest of your post. The latter part of your post nexus has answered. As for the comment about only four of our players with some 1;1 experience, they wanted to play 1;1 low, so I let them. I mean, this whole thing was about having fun. Also, the two guys who had barely no (or next to nothing) 1;1 experience beat alleyn and Hnr)Insane, so I dont really understand your point at all. (Not trying to gloat, sorry)
Doubtful. BGH is pretty boring IMO and requires less skill, so the majority of good players eventually switch to regular maps or quit SC. I'd quit too if LT, Luna and ROV were the only decent regular maps.
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On January 23 2007 08:57 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 08:53 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the two guys who had barely no (or next to nothing) 1;1 experience beat alleyn and Hnr)Insane, so I dont really understand your point at all. (Not trying to gloat, sorry)
wtf......? the guy who beat aellyn is the same guy who goes around saying they have beaten this guy and that guy from this very forum, so your claim is completely nonsensical.
I dont understand why you are being so offensive? I seem to have insulted you.
The guy who beat alleyn is X-Men-Pickle, and I am X-MeN-lOki. We've been friends for over two years, and when I first met him I doubt he even knew what low maps were. He started playing 1;1 maybe last year, and even so he's focused predominantly on BGH. Are you saying you know him better than me?
Also, your claim that "the guy who beat aellyn is the same guy who goes around saying they have beaten this guy and that guy from this very forum" is total bullshit, and you're lying which is pretty sad. Pickle is a very reticent and an *incredibly* well mannered guy, and he has never, ever, ever go around saying he beat this guy or that guy. He doesnt even gloat about people who bad manner him. And even if he has, how many people has he claimed to have beaten? 5? 10? 20? So 20 games is a lot of experience? Also, please pull out some posts where he has "claimed to have beaten this guy or that guy".
And why do you care if pickle has any 1;1 experience or not? How is that even an issue?? Were we told we could only field players with no 1;1 experience??????!!!!!
Also, if you wish to continue this argument, please use more civil words. I REALLY dont understand why (a very small number of) people are arguing about totally irrelevant and trivial things and getting offensive when everyone has REPEATEDLY made it clear that the results of this showmatch neither MATTERED nor PROVED anything.
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On January 23 2007 09:12 pr0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 08:37 DarK]N[exuS wrote:On January 23 2007 08:11 pr0n wrote:On January 23 2007 07:59 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that. That seems to say a LOT about the results though. You only have 4 guys with 1v1 decent experience, and they all played? I'm starting to think for each additional team/person we would have added to the competition, TL would have won 1 more series. Obviously the top 5-10 players on each site are going to be comparable, but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl). Next time we should include as many players as are interested, and see how it turns out. As has been said many times, the average BGHer at our website is not anything near comparable to the average BGHer in pubs. As in, we are better.
but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl).
What the hell are you talking about? You play some pub BGH games and now you beat "them" (whoever that is) half the time? And you beat "them" all the time on low? Seriously, ignorant people like you have already posted and been answered and proven wrong in 2-3 other threads, so go there if you want to continue such a dumb argument. Also, sorry to say, but the average TL.netter is probably significantly less active/skilled than the average BGHers.com member, simply by virtue of numbers as has been said; TL.net has thousands and thousands more members than we do. And finally, as has been said many times as well, if TL top 5 played BGH players top 5, the TL top 5 would gangbang the BGHers 1on1 (duh). Um, no, retard. I'm talking about the people at bghers.com, not public bghers. I beat pubs almost every game, and beat the founders and regulars at your site about half the time. Try reading next time.
I'm not disputing your point, I'm just curious: The founders of bghers.com are locutus_of_borg and lousy_robot, have you played them? And which regulars have you played? And what was your SN when you played them?
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Whatever. BGHers got their needed exposure, and they get to feel good about themselves for a while. Whats done is done.
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On January 23 2007 09:12 pr0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 08:37 DarK]N[exuS wrote:On January 23 2007 08:11 pr0n wrote:On January 23 2007 07:59 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the teams were switched for the low games because we only had four players with 1;1 experience, and all four (including surado) expressed a desire to play that. That seems to say a LOT about the results though. You only have 4 guys with 1v1 decent experience, and they all played? I'm starting to think for each additional team/person we would have added to the competition, TL would have won 1 more series. Obviously the top 5-10 players on each site are going to be comparable, but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl). Next time we should include as many players as are interested, and see how it turns out. As has been said many times, the average BGHer at our website is not anything near comparable to the average BGHer in pubs. As in, we are better.
but I'm quite sure the average or median-skilled player on tl.net is going to be a lot better than on bghers (since I beat them half the time on bgh and basically all the time on low, and I'm below average for tl).
What the hell are you talking about? You play some pub BGH games and now you beat "them" (whoever that is) half the time? And you beat "them" all the time on low? Seriously, ignorant people like you have already posted and been answered and proven wrong in 2-3 other threads, so go there if you want to continue such a dumb argument. Also, sorry to say, but the average TL.netter is probably significantly less active/skilled than the average BGHers.com member, simply by virtue of numbers as has been said; TL.net has thousands and thousands more members than we do. And finally, as has been said many times as well, if TL top 5 played BGH players top 5, the TL top 5 would gangbang the BGHers 1on1 (duh). Um, no, retard. I'm talking about the people at bghers.com, not public bghers. I beat pubs almost every game, and beat the founders and regulars at your site about half the time. Try reading next time.
i would bet that most of the good bghers would beat you on low and trounce you on bgh, get off your high horse. they are not bad players, most of them are quite good, and many people from their community are vastly favorable to people like you.
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thedeadhaji
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On January 23 2007 09:25 Gandalf wrote: Pickle is a very reticent and an *incredibly* well mannered guy,
I hope you realize that you are defending Darknuxus, aka X-men-pickle, one of the most commonly disliked posters on this website. Let's start with his "good manneredness" then?
On January 13 2007 11:34 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
Idra does it ever occur to you that nobody likes you and that you're just a dick in every single thread? Why are you even posting here? All you do is put us down and sound arrogant. Publicity with you is negative publicity because your rudeness and lack of common sense have condemned you to the least respected of the "known" gamers.
some more excerpts.
You obviously didn't read the article, because my post has NOTHING to do with PR spin.
Who cares if it's old news? If you whined about everything that was posted that has been posted before, you'd fill the entire forum. I thought it was interesting.
Are you stupid? I'm wondering what others thought of it, asswipe. Get off my nuts.
Good lord, people are stupid. What do you think a forum is?
On September 23 2006 20:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
P.S. Zulu you arrogant fuck, Sea.Pie does not suck. You should be the one who quits posting until you can quit acting like you're a fucking pro, it's goddamn annoying.
On January 13 2007 13:05 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On December 21 2006 22:27 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
Ok that's so much bullshit. You and I both know you're nowhere near A- level Zulu, so what is this shit about being A- level to get to try out.
You and I both? Who's you, who are you? you seem to know a lot about me while you've never talked to be on b.net or didn't have the balls to say youre darknexus. You understand that this constitues as "stalker" like behavior right?
On January 23 2007 09:25 Gandalf wrote:
He doesnt even gloat about people who bad manner him. .
okay...
On October 10 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
The people I put down are:
Nony
Incontrol (on occasion)
Idra (especially)
Zulu
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On January 23 2007 09:44 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 09:25 Gandalf wrote: Pickle is a very reticent and an *incredibly* well mannered guy,
I hope you realize that you are defending Darknuxus, aka X-men-pickle, one of the most commonly disliked posters on this website. Let's start with his "good manneredness" then? Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 11:34 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
Idra does it ever occur to you that nobody likes you and that you're just a dick in every single thread? Why are you even posting here? All you do is put us down and sound arrogant. Publicity with you is negative publicity because your rudeness and lack of common sense have condemned you to the least respected of the "known" gamers.
some more excerpts. Show nested quote +
You obviously didn't read the article, because my post has NOTHING to do with PR spin.
Who cares if it's old news? If you whined about everything that was posted that has been posted before, you'd fill the entire forum. I thought it was interesting.
Are you stupid? I'm wondering what others thought of it, asswipe. Get off my nuts.
Good lord, people are stupid. What do you think a forum is?
Show nested quote +On September 23 2006 20:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
P.S. Zulu you arrogant fuck, Sea.Pie does not suck. You should be the one who quits posting until you can quit acting like you're a fucking pro, it's goddamn annoying. Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 13:05 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On December 21 2006 22:27 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
Ok that's so much bullshit. You and I both know you're nowhere near A- level Zulu, so what is this shit about being A- level to get to try out.
You and I both? Who's you, who are you? you seem to know a lot about me while you've never talked to be on b.net or didn't have the balls to say youre darknexus. You understand that this constitues as "stalker" like behavior right? Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 09:25 Gandalf wrote:
He doesnt even gloat about people who bad manner him. . okay... Show nested quote +On October 10 2006 16:02 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
The people I put down are:
Nony
Incontrol (on occasion)
Idra (especially)
Zulu
You should try to make sure if you have the facts straight before delivering an offensive argument. I hope YOU know dark nexus is x-men-rain on bnet, and x-men-pickle is x-men-pickle on tl.net and bnet. He has maybe 20 posts, and reading those alone will give you a fair indication of how manner he is. L
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Also, x-men-rain is one of those four with 1;1 experience, so your argument is totally destroyed now.
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thedeadhaji
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On January 23 2007 09:25 Gandalf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2007 08:57 thedeadhaji wrote:On January 23 2007 08:53 Gandalf wrote:
Also, the two guys who had barely no (or next to nothing) 1;1 experience beat alleyn and Hnr)Insane, so I dont really understand your point at all. (Not trying to gloat, sorry)
wtf......? the guy who beat aellyn is the same guy who goes around saying they have beaten this guy and that guy from this very forum, so your claim is completely nonsensical. And why do you care if pickle has any 1;1 experience or not? How is that even an issue?? Were we told we could only field players with no 1;1 experience??????!!!!!.
I could care less if you fielded completely different players for the 1:1's than the 3v3's on BGH. And care even less with regards to pickle's experience; whether he is a A+ korean gosu smurf or a player who has never played a non money map in his life, makes no difference to me. What then do I have a problem with?
I have a problem with YOUR comment. This is not about pickle, or nexus, or anyone else, but you. The statement "two guys who had barely no (or next to nothing) 1;1 experience beat alleyn and Hnr)Insane", no matter what you attach afterwards to patch it up, is a demeaning statement and a flat out insult to these two players who volunteered themselves for this event.
I dont care if this statement was made to argue against someone else's post, becuase the fact still remains. An insult is an insult no matter how you cover it up.
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Whats with all the flaming lol
Edit: A moderator needs to come in here and stop the banstick. :/
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On January 23 2007 09:54 Gandalf wrote:
Also, x-men-rain is one of those four with 1;1 experience, so your argument is totally destroyed now.
read last post. As I say, I honestly could care less about pickle or rain's skill, because it is your statement that I have a problem with, and that stands no matter how wrong I may be about Pickle or Rain.
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