EPTBGHers vs TL.net Requiem - Page 23
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borg
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
I'm not exaggerating much. Watch the replays and see what the bghers did with PPP. This is clearly the winning formula for BGH. Maybe have one tech to goons, but otherwise zealots FTW | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On January 22 2007 13:16 EscPlan9 wrote: Some bgher mentioned that he hopes this gets some TL.netters addicted to BGH. To win in BGH seems awfully repetitive: team up all with protoss, mass zealots, GOGOGOGOGO ggggggggggggggg I'm not exaggerating much. Watch the replays and see what the bghers did with PPP. This is clearly the winning formula for BGH. Maybe have one tech to goons, but otherwise zealots FTW On January 21 2007 23:12 Orome wrote: Good job BGHers! But, watching those replays has convinced me BGH isn't for me. Not a trace of finesse in all those games. It is the thug's Starcraft. Amen. | ||
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Surado-
Korea (South)64 Posts
On January 22 2007 13:16 EscPlan9 wrote: Some bgher mentioned that he hopes this gets some TL.netters addicted to BGH. To win in BGH seems awfully repetitive: team up all with protoss, mass zealots, GOGOGOGOGO ggggggggggggggg I'm not exaggerating much. Watch the replays and see what the bghers did with PPP. This is clearly the winning formula for BGH. Maybe have one tech to goons, but otherwise zealots FTW ^^ Yes our matches are mostly PPP v PPP, except some matches having a PPR or PR. It is a hunters based match. Zerg can be strong if you know how to micro and pick off units and control your economy, boosting it when game control is managed. I play BGH inhouses with alot of Koreans. These guys are from Kor-Asia and have been doing P wars for many years. They seemed to get addicted to BGH, saying it is like a new realm, and not repitive like Hunters. If you really want to talk about a map being reptitive, it would be Hunters because of how important the first 3 zealot micro is. Because hunters do not have great eco like BGH, you can't really counter or do much when your micro is setback from your opponent. WE in BGH, have different BOs, styles, and game managing, It is just that you guys are not used to it. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
subtle distinction but its a significant one imo. truly LOW maps is like 4 patches and 800 mins each haha | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
. WE in BGH, have different BOs, styles, and game managing Whatever man. We V-Tec players beg to differ. What do you guys differ on? When to send in the zealots to attack? Who to attack first? I don't mean to be dissing on people who play BGH a lot. If they enjoy it, whatever, it's none of my concern. But to suggest there's many successful strategies in it is laughable. If you're against three protoss players who are massing zealots with an outrageous amount of resources and rushing, what other strategies can you possibly do but mass zlots yourself? Read the replay text in one of the games. One of the bgher's techs to goons against PPZ, the other bghers criticize him saying his teching lost them the game. Think about what that means... him going for goons instead of sticking with the mass zlots lost them the game. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
these games would be like speed chess for starcraft edit for the post above mine: before darknexus comes in here and rips your head off (i don't mean anything against either of you by this), the tl.netters went for mass zealots/lings first. you really don't need goons against ppz that early, and if i recall correctly two of their players lowered their unit count to go for unnecessary higher tier units. in a ppp vs ppp, i think teching is more appropriate and common depending on game situation, allowing for more (though still comparatively limited) strategies. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On January 22 2007 14:53 Surado- wrote: Well normal tosswars have alteast 4 builds/strats. 7zeal, 5zeal, fd, allzeal. ^^ Yes our matches are mostly PPP v PPP, except some matches having a PPR or PR. It is a hunters based match. Zerg can be strong if you know how to micro and pick off units and control your economy, boosting it when game control is managed. I play BGH inhouses with alot of Koreans. These guys are from Kor-Asia and have been doing P wars for many years. They seemed to get addicted to BGH, saying it is like a new realm, and not repitive like Hunters. If you really want to talk about a map being reptitive, it would be Hunters because of how important the first 3 zealot micro is. Because hunters do not have great eco like BGH, you can't really counter or do much when your micro is setback from your opponent. WE in BGH, have different BOs, styles, and game managing, It is just that you guys are not used to it.  On a serious note, I do prefer watching regular tosswars and good mixed race hunters like a strong ZZT team. Dont really know why it gets me a bigger kick than BGH but it does. Also playing hunters at somewhat high level (as in trying to play good vs non pubbie) is were I really feel that my speed is not even near what I need. | ||
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Surado-
Korea (South)64 Posts
On January 22 2007 16:13 EscPlan9 wrote: Whatever man. We V-Tec players beg to differ. What do you guys differ on? When to send in the zealots to attack? Who to attack first? I don't mean to be dissing on people who play BGH a lot. If they enjoy it, whatever, it's none of my concern. But to suggest there's many successful strategies in it is laughable. If you're against three protoss players who are massing zealots with an outrageous amount of resources and rushing, what other strategies can you possibly do but mass zlots yourself? Read the replay text in one of the games. One of the bgher's techs to goons against PPZ, the other bghers criticize him saying his teching lost them the game. Think about what that means... him going for goons instead of sticking with the mass zlots lost them the game. Ok ^^ Look for something beyond given things. Then you will see BGH is another strategical map ^^. No matter how much I explain to you, you will think in that one way thought. So I don't want to bother. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
i think it's pretty apparent that this is true | ||
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Surado-
Korea (South)64 Posts
 so be it.those "less viable strategies" are substituted with teamwork. | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On January 22 2007 16:35 Surado- wrote: so be it.those "less viable strategies" are substituted with teamwork.right, i do agree that it takes a lot of skill to teamplay on basically every map, normal or high resources included | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On January 22 2007 16:37 Phyre wrote: Maybe they should try giving some more elevation differences in BGH to encourage build variety. Perhaps all mains be on elevated ground with a ramp? Or the opposite ala Reverse Temple? Seems like that might give some potential for strategies not involving mass zealots a chance, or maybe even a non-protoss race for that matter. i have an interesting map called The Lost Hunters... | ||
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X-Men-Pickle
United States60 Posts
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On January 22 2007 16:32 Hot_Bid wrote: hes not saying that its not strategical at all, he's saying that there's less viable strategies, especially in teamplay i think it's pretty apparent that this is true Precisely. I thought this was obviously true, since even the past TL.netter avid defenders of BGH in the "BGH pimpest plays thread", such as Gandalf, have said there are very few viable strategies in the game, and the best players know those few extremely well. And teamwork helps on any map so that's not really relevant. Good teamwork can overcome past errors regardless of the map. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
On January 22 2007 00:39 Bill307 wrote: Thanks. It really didn't make sense to me, but now I understand. Although, if you had defied his order and didn't upload that one game, I don't think he would have noticed/cared!  You don't need to ask them to change the score or remove the replay. Now that I know it was an accident, I don't mind. Yeah, I was asking everyone to upload every single replay because I was aware a lot of people were playing more games than the required bo1 on low maps. Surado is my slave so he never questions me haha, but yeah, he's a nice guy and he probably sent it to fwiffo for uploading because he didnt want to cause any trouble. EDIT: I had no clue as to what happened in that game. | ||
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