EPTOn December 07 2006 11:57 sundance wrote:
If it's good for them then it isn't useless.
If it's good for them then it isn't useless.
yes yes, but the click does nothing. its a bad habbit then.
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ocoini
648 Posts
yes yes, but the click does nothing. its a bad habbit then. | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:15 ocoini wrote: yes yes, but the click does nothing. its a bad habbit then. If it's something good for you than it's not useless for you.Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?It helps to keep attention and constant speed.It's a lot harder to accelerate to speed where you can macro,micro and deal with harrass then when you already have this speed. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On December 07 2006 11:21 -Carlodajin- wrote: When JulyZerg defeated Phoenix with Mutalisk...APM of 392 and APM max of 709... I don't find this hard to believe. What July did with those mutalisks was just unreal >_<. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:21 sundance wrote: If it's something good for you than it's not useless for you.Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?It helps to keep attention and constant speed.It's a lot harder to accelerate to speed where you can macro,micro and deal with harrass then when you already have this speed. Look, when you spend time doing the exact same thing over and over and it has no effect, its useless.. Its only usefull because they are allready in the (bad)habbit of doing it, so if they "need to spam" to keep the motor going, then that is a bad habbit, only usefull because they are so used to doing it. And breaking the habbit would make them play worse as it would change the way they are used to playing the game(?) I don't understand what you mean about "Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?" (edit: oh.. right.. if I think they spam to get a high apm? No... well.. maybe some? Do you?  I really don't care.. but they could of course be doing something else with the time they are spamming.. something that could maybe change that future loss to a win? I dunno.. it does look silly to me thats for sure;)anyways...im talking to a wall here.. so I /quit  | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:34 ocoini wrote: Look, when you spend time doing the exact same thing over and over and it has no effect, its useless.. Its only usefull because they are allready in the (bad)habbit of doing it, so if they "need to spam" to keep the motor going, then that is a bad habbit, only usefull because they are so used to doing it. And breaking the habbit would make them play worse as it would change the way they are used to playing the game(?) I don't understand what you mean about "Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?" (edit: oh.. right.. if I think they spam to get a high apm? No... well.. maybe some? Do you? I really don't care.. but they could of course be doing something else with the time they are spamming.. something that could maybe change that future loss to a win? I dunno.. it does look silly to me thats for sure;)anyways...im talking to a wall here.. so I /quit no when a pro hits 112233 over and over really fast an uninformed person like yourself considers it useless spamming, when in reality it scans through all your unit groups allowing you to keep a constant check on anything happening, meaning you can react faster when needed. quickly scanning through production buildings once in a while gives you better macro as you can build units at the most efficient time if you're always aware of whats going on, because you're constantly 'spamming' running through all your hotkeys. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
And it looks like a conscious choice in gamestyle - Do you think this is the "best" way to play sc then? To check check and double check everything not "trusting" what you "know"? But... no-one is agreeing with me. And I allready said that I could be wrong so you dont have to be all rude about it. So an apm over 250 is needed to compete at the top level? Whitch is how this whole debate started.. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
If you chug along at 100 apm for the game and suddenly in a pitched PvP battle where you are trying to drop + macro + storm dodge + storm + pick up reavers + flank + macro, you won't be able to be fast enough than if you had kept up your speed throughout. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On December 07 2006 14:32 ocoini wrote: Yes, it defenatly looks like excessive checking to me, selecting the same building 2-4 times in the same second. Like they do in the little example i posted above. Again and again And it looks like a conscious choice in gamestyle - Do you think this is the "best" way to play sc then? To check check and double check everything not "trusting" what you "know"? But... no-one is agreeing with me. And I allready said that I could be wrong so you dont have to be all rude about it. So an apm over 250 is needed to compete at the top level? Whitch is how this whole debate started.. Well, you can't say it's NEEDED, but all pros have at least 200 APM. Just put it that way. Yeah, I find it hard to accelerate my APM suddenly during games. It's more of a gradual acceleration. So trying to keep up at least 100 APM is good for me. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 14:43 GrandInquisitor wrote: You need to maintain over 250 apm at ALL TIMES because randomly you really can use all that speed in the middle of a big battle. If you chug along at 100 apm for the game and suddenly in a pitched PvP battle where you are trying to drop + macro + storm dodge + storm + pick up reavers + flank + macro, you won't be able to be fast enough than if you had kept up your speed throughout. Couldnt there just be a diffrent way to playing SC though? I peak pretty high(400-500) (for a rusty old player , in the middle of the game when alot of stuff is going on I speed up without any problem really. Maybe its just diffrent from person to person, that its easier for some to keep the pace going constantly, while others find it easier to "slow down" and speed up again? Diffrent rythm? | ||
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soonsu
France166 Posts
Kingdom vs Legendary Kingdom vs BoxeR | ||
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SISKH
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 14:48 infinity21 wrote: Well, you can't say it's NEEDED, but all pros have at least 200 APM. Just put it that way. Yeah, I find it hard to accelerate my APM suddenly during games. It's more of a gradual acceleration. So trying to keep up at least 100 APM is good for me. If not higher, hehe Ye, they are pretty fast..  ps.. actually i'd like to take something back, i dont peak at 400-500, it was just a few games.. more normal for me to peak around 250-300 as I did some checking | ||
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spammerA
China355 Posts
I mean, if he pushes a key once, then it's once isnt it. And, how does holding a key down be counted more than once? I don't get it. oh btw, if a game lags ... I know bw keeps all players informed and if anyone lags, the whole game is slowed down, my question is, the lagging client's order will be delayed to be executed since there is lag, will the game host's order also be delayed even if there isn't any lag (from him)? | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
Edit: lag increases apm because the game speed is decreasing i believe | ||
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decafchicken
United States20147 Posts
And i remember a rep of tossgirl with 425 apm was posted here a longggg time ago in the replay section | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On December 07 2006 15:44 decafchicken wrote: Doesnt sea.Jy have really high apm? And i remember a rep of tossgirl with 425 apm was posted here a longggg time ago in the replay section Yes, I remember that one as well. I also recall that she did almost nothing productive with all that apm  | ||
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decafchicken
United States20147 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:34 ocoini wrote: Look, when you spend time doing the exact same thing over and over and it has no effect, its useless.. Its only usefull because they are allready in the (bad)habbit of doing it, so if they "need to spam" to keep the motor going, then that is a bad habbit, only usefull because they are so used to doing it. And breaking the habbit would make them play worse as it would change the way they are used to playing the game(?) I don't understand what you mean about "Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?" (edit: oh.. right.. if I think they spam to get a high apm? No... well.. maybe some? Do you? I really don't care.. but they could of course be doing something else with the time they are spamming.. something that could maybe change that future loss to a win? I dunno.. it does look silly to me thats for sure;)anyways...im talking to a wall here.. so I /quit Think of the player as a car, and APM as MPH. Its faster to go from 45 to 55, then from 10 to 55. If they stay at 45, then when they need to go 55, they can do it quickly without having to switch gear. | ||
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QuietIdiot
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On December 07 2006 15:47 fusionsdf wrote: Yes, I remember that one as well. I also recall that she did almost nothing productive with all that apm this the one were she gets pwned by pure dras? Edit: nvm that was 298 apm, thanks QuietIdiot | ||
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