EPTLooking at it with BWChart shows just a total smear of macroing T_T. 205 micro and 285 macro for Kyo, 67% hotkey
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Looking at it with BWChart shows just a total smear of macroing T_T. 205 micro and 285 macro for Kyo, 67% hotkey | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
NaDa had 559 APM, star had 210 only 58% hotkeys from NaDa Guess who won?  edit: you know someone's crazy when his minimum APM is 313 and his maximum APM is 781... | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
As for highest apm, I had prop bets with friends where I would need to win the game and have my apm be 400+ for the entire game. I normally play ~300, but managed to meet the requirement both times I did it. However, it involved a LOT of spamming and also lowered my overall play. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
NaDa: Average APM = 474 Max: 617 Min: 329 | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:03 exalted wrote: IIRC definitely the Nada game was played under heavy lag. As for highest apm, I had prop bets with friends where I would need to win the game and have my apm be 400+ for the entire game. I normally play ~300, but managed to meet the requirement both times I did it. However, it involved a LOT of spamming and also lowered my overall play. Rofl as i saw the thread name i knew you would come brag here. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
The next one on my list is LeeSy (527 APM) vs LeMuRiA-X17 (258 APM) But LeeSy had 323 macro APM and 69% hotkeys. The game was 9:10 long. | ||
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neSix
United States1772 Posts
Obviously, an apm of 400+ in 20:00 is more important than the same APM in a game 2:00 long. Kind of a funny topic, but I don't really have anything more to add. :| | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:03 exalted wrote: IIRC definitely the Nada game was played under heavy lag. As for highest apm, I had prop bets with friends where I would need to win the game and have my apm be 400+ for the entire game. I normally play ~300, but managed to meet the requirement both times I did it. However, it involved a LOT of spamming and also lowered my overall play. You know your worst spamming still doesn't compare to Nada or g.s)kyo or forge's old consistent APM of 400, 450+, so I don't know why you'd let us know that | ||
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PHauxE
United States69 Posts
He had 1k apm for like a second, which just blows my mind on it's own O_o;; I think that Nada game is highest for whole game apm actually... | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
Shut the fuck up. | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
On December 06 2006 20:50 infinity21 wrote: I have 1 of NaDa vs 88)starrbren (go figure, eh?) NaDa had 559 APM, star had 210 only 58% hotkeys from NaDa Guess who won? edit: you know someone's crazy when his minimum APM is 313 and his maximum APM is 781... LOL... Sif bren played NaDa! Yeah it would definately have lagged, seeing as brenzor is from australia. I'm surprised at Bren's apm. He's a p user! 200+ for P users is awesome! | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:39 MaZza[KIS] wrote: LOL... Sif bren played NaDa! Yeah it would definately have lagged, seeing as brenzor is from australia. I'm surprised at Bren's apm. He's a p user! 200+ for P users is awesome! It did lag, quite a lot. NaDa's real apm that game was mid 350s, and bren's was mid 100's, according to his own statement. And yes, NaDa played Bren. It was during the Korea Dream Team days, when KTF decided to all smurf and play random foreigners -.-;; | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:38 exalted wrote: Actually I know the best clan I join has nothing compared to ]N[exus clan, which is an old and reputable clan. Shut the fuck up. Well i saw you as "exalted[gm]" a couple of times. So unless you were posing... | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
I find "Solstice[gm]" to be a retard though, not only because of his tag but also because of his terrible strategy posts. I similarly believe dark]n[exus to be not very good either. | ||
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Alborz
Canada1551 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:36 PHauxE wrote: TheMarine got 1000 apm, but it wasn't for the whole game... He had 1k apm for like a second, which just blows my mind on it's own O_o;; Us v-tec players have been doing this for years. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:57 GrandInquisitor wrote: Us v-tec players have been doing this for years. LoL. That was a low blow comment but quite funny still. ^_^ | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
In that topic someone also said that some proteams were interested in him because, as some Coach said (yes im bad with names t_t), now they are looking more for hand speed than for strategic inside, because the first one cant be taught. | ||
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soonsu
France166 Posts
Kingdom: Average: 325 Max: 2030 | ||
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Alborz
Canada1551 Posts
On December 06 2006 22:38 soonsu wrote: Kingdom vs Legendary Kingdom: Average: 325 Max: 2030 woah, 2030 max... can you upload the replay? | ||
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
On December 06 2006 23:27 Alborz wrote: woah, 2030 max... can you upload the replay? I'm sure he was holding down hotkeys like crazy. | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On December 06 2006 23:27 Alborz wrote: woah, 2030 max... can you upload the replay? Hold down 1 or Ctrl+1 would get it that high. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On December 06 2006 22:38 soonsu wrote: Kingdom vs Legendary Kingdom: Average: 325 Max: 2030 dude....thats 33.8 actions per second. are you sure about that? | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
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miyavi
Canada245 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On December 07 2006 00:09 miyavi wrote: i've been away from sc for awhile, just wondering does pj still play? yes hes playing for SKT1 iirc | ||
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HiFi
United States518 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On December 07 2006 00:23 HiFi wrote: i remember playing an ums game with friend where you have to micro hella to win, then we set the speed to lowest and spam hella, for like 8 min we had a 1400 average. Was that map with hella cannons and you have to totoally micro each one of your cannon and shoot hella medics? | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
Shinhwa: Average 496 High: 737 Match Length: ~ 15 minutes. | ||
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ToT)SiLeNcE(
Germany590 Posts
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Da_PlayerX
Bulgaria1304 Posts
so Kyo got 531 average APM with 72% hotkey usage.... Side got like 400.. other games with crazy apm by kyo are the four games vs ToT)Selector on Gaia.recommender games for all terran users who have difficulties playing tvsp on Gaia  | ||
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Alborz
Canada1551 Posts
On December 06 2006 23:33 BalloonFight wrote: I'm sure he was holding down hotkeys like crazy. On December 06 2006 23:35 skyglow1 wrote: Hold down 1 or Ctrl+1 would get it that high. I knew the only way to get APMs in the 4 digits was to just hold down or mass spam hotkeys, but I thought these APMs being posted up would be more legit, thus I asked for a replay. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
Looking at over 6 years of replays - my apm is an average of 125.. all games ive saved.. alot. And im a horribly hotkey user.. 3-6% somewhere each game. Peak at around 500 it looks like, "in the zone".. But seriusly holding a 250+ average over an entire game WITHOUT spamming is something i just dont belive | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
which progamer atm has the lowest apm? | ||
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sOnagi[3.33]
Korea (South)886 Posts
hmm...was wondering if anyone had any idea where i could obtain apm analysis on a macintosh? i know i know...i have a mac...but i've looked everywhere, and i couldn't find a third party apm helper. if you guys do come across one, could you please let me know? muchas gracias! :D | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On December 07 2006 01:08 ocoini wrote: But seriusly holding a 250+ average over an entire game WITHOUT spamming is something i just dont belive Easily. Progamers, especially Terrans need it to do all their actions. You barely use hotkeys, so I don't think you can tell how useful they are. Have you seen Nada vs Savior game 2 // any first person VOD of a Terran? I think that will be the best answer for you instead of any text trying to convince you otherwise. As for lowest APM terrans, I think Savior is definitely among them, I saw the first person VOD of his game on Arkanoid, and it shocked me how he was on the slowish side... The fact that he can win consistently is a testament to his knowledge of timing / Terran contingency plans as he can expect them and prepare adequately for them. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Anyway, while I can do like 700 APM with pure spam, I don't think it's really worth it for a toss or zerg to get over 250. Terrans could be played perfectly at around 300, me guesses. | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:46 exalted wrote: Sarcasm, agu I find "Solstice[gm]" to be a retard though, not only because of his tag but also because of his terrible strategy posts. I similarly believe dark]n[exus to be not very good either. That's fine, cause what I said has nothing to do with my skill. Don't be mad because multiple ask why the fuck you let us know you have 300 APM and 400 APM spam. It's irrelevant. Turning the post to personal attacks on me that are completely unrelated is stupid. I've never bragged about ]n[exus clan and my previous post regarding was merely to prove to OneOther, a member on this site, that ]n[exus was not a "cunt sucking piece of shit clan" or whatever it was he said. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:57 GrandInquisitor wrote: Us v-tec players have been doing this for years. GrandInquisitor owns | ||
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:18 infinity21 wrote: yeah my NaDa rep was proly under lag The next one on my list is LeeSy (527 APM) vs LeMuRiA-X17 (258 APM) But LeeSy had 323 macro APM and 69% hotkeys. The game was 9:10 long. that was g.s)kyo -,- same gay tank rush on forte i believe ^.^ | ||
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Zea!
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
i know the majority of progamer's apm, but not the less known ones which is why i ask. | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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KrAzYfoOL
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
On December 07 2006 08:25 KrAzYfoOL wrote: i didn't get my question answered, which progamer of this era has the lowest apm? i know the majority of progamer's apm, but not the less known ones which is why i ask. I would say GoRush,Savior,Sea. | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
I think Child has a fairly low APM compared to others around 180-200 but it's not like he's dominant with that low APM. | ||
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Blind
United States2529 Posts
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Liquid`Daaman
Sweden1225 Posts
And other oldies, like Slayer used to be really really fast but APM wasn't far above 200, while koreans who seemed slower had a higher APM. bleh @ APM =O the lag makes it hard to analyze too as some have pointed out | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
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lololol
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-Carlodajin-
Peru235 Posts
On December 06 2006 20:50 infinity21 wrote: I have 1 of NaDa vs 88)starrbren (go figure, eh?) NaDa had 559 APM, star had 210 only 58% hotkeys from NaDa Guess who won? edit: you know someone's crazy when his minimum APM is 313 and his maximum APM is 781... When JulyZerg defeated Phoenix with Mutalisk...APM of 392 and APM max of 709... | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On December 06 2006 21:11 IntoTheWow wrote: Rofl as i saw the thread name i knew you would come brag here. "My friend's know I play staarcraft at a high level". | ||
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oddeye
Canada716 Posts
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Detonate
Iceland578 Posts
exalted APM 300+ mine = 70-90 and im 2-4 with him | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 07:26 exalted wrote: Easily. Progamers, especially Terrans need it to do all their actions. You barely use hotkeys, so I don't think you can tell how useful they are. Have you seen Nada vs Savior game 2 // any first person VOD of a Terran? I think that will be the best answer for you instead of any text trying to convince you otherwise. I know how usefull good control of ctrl-groups are, just because i've never gotten used to useing them on buildings doesnt mean I dont know how much faster they make someone. And the times i talk to brand new players the best advice I can possibly give them is for them to get comfortable with useing ctrl-groups. But from what i've seen there is ALOT of spam going on and useless ctrlgroup clicks. Clearly pro-gamers..and many more  are alot better players than me, and I am NOT saying they are "wrong" or anything to spamming like this.From what I have seen they are constantly clicking a number on whatever they have grouped.. Like they build a series of marines - and keep cycling the grouped barracks even though they just started makeing a batch of marines. That is spam.. They are good enough to "feel" when the marine would be close to completion and go build another befor the end they don't have to keep "checking up on them" Anyways it's lots of stuff like that that I notice and that are useless actions - Sure, it might be really good for them to keep the flow of the game going, but its still a useless click.. Open up a random 300+ replay in bwchart and check the "train" and "others" actions lower left there... There are ALOT of theese arent there? ::00:03:14 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,4 00:03:15 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:15 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,4 00:03:15 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:15 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,4 00:03:15 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,1 00:03:15 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,2 00:03:15 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:15 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,2 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,2 00:03:16 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,4 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Train SCV 00:03:16 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:16 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,4 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,1 00:03:16 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,3 00:03:16 Please[Alive] Hotkey Select,4 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,2 00:03:16 ShyBoy[Name] Hotkey Select,3 sure, i might be wrong, but it looks like spam to me. And APM is a false way of seeing how fast someone is when 30-40% is hotkey spam. | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
On December 07 2006 11:42 ocoini wrote: Sure, it might be really good for them to keep the flow of the game going, but its still a useless click.. If it's good for them then it isn't useless. | ||
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GaG[SharKy]
New Zealand221 Posts
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 11:57 sundance wrote: If it's good for them then it isn't useless. yes yes, but the click does nothing. its a bad habbit then. | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:15 ocoini wrote: yes yes, but the click does nothing. its a bad habbit then. If it's something good for you than it's not useless for you.Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?It helps to keep attention and constant speed.It's a lot harder to accelerate to speed where you can macro,micro and deal with harrass then when you already have this speed. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On December 07 2006 11:21 -Carlodajin- wrote: When JulyZerg defeated Phoenix with Mutalisk...APM of 392 and APM max of 709... I don't find this hard to believe. What July did with those mutalisks was just unreal >_<. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:21 sundance wrote: If it's something good for you than it's not useless for you.Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?It helps to keep attention and constant speed.It's a lot harder to accelerate to speed where you can macro,micro and deal with harrass then when you already have this speed. Look, when you spend time doing the exact same thing over and over and it has no effect, its useless.. Its only usefull because they are allready in the (bad)habbit of doing it, so if they "need to spam" to keep the motor going, then that is a bad habbit, only usefull because they are so used to doing it. And breaking the habbit would make them play worse as it would change the way they are used to playing the game(?) I don't understand what you mean about "Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?" (edit: oh.. right.. if I think they spam to get a high apm? No... well.. maybe some? Do you? I really don't care.. but they could of course be doing something else with the time they are spamming.. something that could maybe change that future loss to a win? I dunno.. it does look silly to me thats for sure;)anyways...im talking to a wall here.. so I /quit | ||
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sundance
Slovakia3201 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:34 ocoini wrote: Look, when you spend time doing the exact same thing over and over and it has no effect, its useless.. Its only usefull because they are allready in the (bad)habbit of doing it, so if they "need to spam" to keep the motor going, then that is a bad habbit, only usefull because they are so used to doing it. And breaking the habbit would make them play worse as it would change the way they are used to playing the game(?) I don't understand what you mean about "Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?" (edit: oh.. right.. if I think they spam to get a high apm? No... well.. maybe some? Do you? I really don't care.. but they could of course be doing something else with the time they are spamming.. something that could maybe change that future loss to a win? I dunno.. it does look silly to me thats for sure;)anyways...im talking to a wall here.. so I /quit no when a pro hits 112233 over and over really fast an uninformed person like yourself considers it useless spamming, when in reality it scans through all your unit groups allowing you to keep a constant check on anything happening, meaning you can react faster when needed. quickly scanning through production buildings once in a while gives you better macro as you can build units at the most efficient time if you're always aware of whats going on, because you're constantly 'spamming' running through all your hotkeys. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
And it looks like a conscious choice in gamestyle - Do you think this is the "best" way to play sc then? To check check and double check everything not "trusting" what you "know"? But... no-one is agreeing with me. And I allready said that I could be wrong so you dont have to be all rude about it. So an apm over 250 is needed to compete at the top level? Whitch is how this whole debate started.. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
If you chug along at 100 apm for the game and suddenly in a pitched PvP battle where you are trying to drop + macro + storm dodge + storm + pick up reavers + flank + macro, you won't be able to be fast enough than if you had kept up your speed throughout. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On December 07 2006 14:32 ocoini wrote: Yes, it defenatly looks like excessive checking to me, selecting the same building 2-4 times in the same second. Like they do in the little example i posted above. Again and again And it looks like a conscious choice in gamestyle - Do you think this is the "best" way to play sc then? To check check and double check everything not "trusting" what you "know"? But... no-one is agreeing with me. And I allready said that I could be wrong so you dont have to be all rude about it. So an apm over 250 is needed to compete at the top level? Whitch is how this whole debate started.. Well, you can't say it's NEEDED, but all pros have at least 200 APM. Just put it that way. Yeah, I find it hard to accelerate my APM suddenly during games. It's more of a gradual acceleration. So trying to keep up at least 100 APM is good for me. | ||
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 14:43 GrandInquisitor wrote: You need to maintain over 250 apm at ALL TIMES because randomly you really can use all that speed in the middle of a big battle. If you chug along at 100 apm for the game and suddenly in a pitched PvP battle where you are trying to drop + macro + storm dodge + storm + pick up reavers + flank + macro, you won't be able to be fast enough than if you had kept up your speed throughout. Couldnt there just be a diffrent way to playing SC though? I peak pretty high(400-500) (for a rusty old player , in the middle of the game when alot of stuff is going on I speed up without any problem really. Maybe its just diffrent from person to person, that its easier for some to keep the pace going constantly, while others find it easier to "slow down" and speed up again? Diffrent rythm? | ||
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soonsu
France166 Posts
Kingdom vs Legendary Kingdom vs BoxeR | ||
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SISKH
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ocoini
648 Posts
On December 07 2006 14:48 infinity21 wrote: Well, you can't say it's NEEDED, but all pros have at least 200 APM. Just put it that way. Yeah, I find it hard to accelerate my APM suddenly during games. It's more of a gradual acceleration. So trying to keep up at least 100 APM is good for me. If not higher, hehe Ye, they are pretty fast.. ps.. actually i'd like to take something back, i dont peak at 400-500, it was just a few games.. more normal for me to peak around 250-300 as I did some checking | ||
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spammerA
China355 Posts
I mean, if he pushes a key once, then it's once isnt it. And, how does holding a key down be counted more than once? I don't get it. oh btw, if a game lags ... I know bw keeps all players informed and if anyone lags, the whole game is slowed down, my question is, the lagging client's order will be delayed to be executed since there is lag, will the game host's order also be delayed even if there isn't any lag (from him)? | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
Edit: lag increases apm because the game speed is decreasing i believe | ||
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decafchicken
United States20147 Posts
And i remember a rep of tossgirl with 425 apm was posted here a longggg time ago in the replay section | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On December 07 2006 15:44 decafchicken wrote: Doesnt sea.Jy have really high apm? And i remember a rep of tossgirl with 425 apm was posted here a longggg time ago in the replay section Yes, I remember that one as well. I also recall that she did almost nothing productive with all that apm  | ||
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decafchicken
United States20147 Posts
On December 07 2006 12:34 ocoini wrote: Look, when you spend time doing the exact same thing over and over and it has no effect, its useless.. Its only usefull because they are allready in the (bad)habbit of doing it, so if they "need to spam" to keep the motor going, then that is a bad habbit, only usefull because they are so used to doing it. And breaking the habbit would make them play worse as it would change the way they are used to playing the game(?) I don't understand what you mean about "Do you really think pros have such a high apm only because of apm ?" (edit: oh.. right.. if I think they spam to get a high apm? No... well.. maybe some? Do you? I really don't care.. but they could of course be doing something else with the time they are spamming.. something that could maybe change that future loss to a win? I dunno.. it does look silly to me thats for sure;)anyways...im talking to a wall here.. so I /quit Think of the player as a car, and APM as MPH. Its faster to go from 45 to 55, then from 10 to 55. If they stay at 45, then when they need to go 55, they can do it quickly without having to switch gear. | ||
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QuietIdiot
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On December 07 2006 15:47 fusionsdf wrote: Yes, I remember that one as well. I also recall that she did almost nothing productive with all that apm this the one were she gets pwned by pure dras? Edit: nvm that was 298 apm, thanks QuietIdiot | ||
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sctv
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TheMarine flyHigh 500+ 17 minute game TvT on WGTour (WSL 3) @ocoini Apm spam for me = time to think in empty action seconds , it's a bit like an "ehhhhhhhh" actions "doooohhhh" "checkwireframe" actions ... " dooooooooo"....needmoney " again again comon again.......thx check action action action ..... = 1 second 4 actions rest spam without the spam u would miss somthing in your macro or be unsure if the command has actually been done. I like to stick to my main hotkeyed groups and have maximum controll over them...even if there just standing around! It's more of a "high RPM with a foot on the break" sometimes u got to spam to catch up with your thoughts and "to come actions" I'm not a good player but I'd be really bad player with Zero APM spam. | ||
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sctv
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Pressure
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purty good until he got stomped by foru | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On December 07 2006 15:14 spammerA wrote: I wonder ... how does lag increase their apm? I mean, if he pushes a key once, then it's once isnt it. And, how does holding a key down be counted more than once? I don't get it. Lag increases apm because even though the time elapsed in real life is a bit, the time thats passed in the bw game is still the same, so you input more actions in the same amount of time. Holding down a hotkey key counts as more than one. | ||
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EmilyJieunChoi
China246 Posts
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On December 07 2006 11:40 Detonate wrote: lol @ another APM topic exalted APM 300+ mine = 70-90 and im 2-4 with him LOL | ||
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pH)ggbOy
Philippines142 Posts
On December 07 2006 11:40 Detonate wrote: lol @ another APM topic exalted APM 300+ mine = 70-90 and im 2-4 with him LOL | ||
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SenseiFIN
7 Posts
I can do a new one at any time in Brood War if requested, and hit even higher speeds. This is just to showcase that it is possible and have no other value in the game. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2hn57Wy9mGDx-5RwwQevjQ Mod edit: Links removed User was warned for this post. | ||
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