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[Article] Best Terran's to never win a major. - Page 9

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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-04 13:28:31
January 04 2015 13:17 GMT
#161
it's difficult to look back and use a sharpie to circle just one player.
of course some were closer than others, but the way you want to qualify 'the best terran..' in this discussion is highlighted by the fact that they couldn't win an msl/osl.

instead i'll start by laying out which players impressed me the most and left an impression even though they ended up losing in those matches which would have crowned them or gotten them closer to their first title.

midas
solid player. had some great chances towards the end of 2005-2006 when he was easily a top8 contender.
left an era of fans and hopes alive by staying active towards the end of 2009-2010.

upmagic
had a rock solid zvt and was above average in the other matchups. iirc, he had a more difficult time in one of the two remaining matchups which would cause him to drop out of tournaments pre-ro8 while he was playing at his strongest.
was very imaginative and had cryptic play for a short amount of time, which left me to see him as the terran nal_ra.

iris
who could forget this man's 2-0 over ggplay before losing in 3 straight sets to immaculate (and hard to top, to this day) defense plays. iris was a very strong overall player leading up to this point in his career. his style was very apparent and difficult to play against leading him to change his ID to what fans had given him for a nickname.
out of anyone, i believe iris is the terran who literally came the closest to a major (without having won one beforehand), and fell just short.

sea
had the ability and star sense to, but could not break the ro16 to ro8 threshold to claim a title.
imo, lacked just a bit of polish to be able to come close to a starleague championship during the middle portion of his career.

hwasin
was extremely strong in individual leagues for a short stint in his career.
lost 2-3 to savior in a semifinals where his next opponent would have been bisu, had he won instead.

light
though not as strong during the majority of his career as would be indicated by his generic looks and nickname (invisible terran) i actually had fond memories of him coming oh-so-close to beating jaedong in a semifinals.
believe it or not, i heavily favored light going into that one. his TvZ record was off the charts at the time.

goodfriend
as much as you guys give this guy flak, seriously, he was the most consistent ro8er. top 4 finisher in multiple majors.
he lost to july in a finals 2-3 in and around 2005 where july was at his peak in terms of domination.

out of everyone out there, i still have to give it to goodfriend. he may not be memorable to you guys, but i saw this guy leading up the finals more times than you can count.
and as the amateur scene was bustling and new faces came out to reap the benefits of the matured practice regime and methods which took roots in the olden days (hello flash, jaedong, stork), competition was stiffer, and you needed to be extremely strong with no bias in your style to be able to compete with every single big boy that was seeded or was qualified to play against you through a stiff wildcard/dual-tournament. that is what it meant to be the best for any lengthened timeframe. each terran i listed above made a big impression on me, but ultimately could not finish the deed.
i can never say they deserved the starleague, because preparation or conditions said otherwise.
some players who were in the same boat matured and eventually claimed their title, if only their one and only.
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kjwcj
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia1064 Posts
January 04 2015 13:23 GMT
#162
nice write-up, interesting thread too.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1712 Posts
January 04 2015 14:02 GMT
#163
Really, I think I would have put Sea first, he always was an Ace player and top terran all his career, never managed to win anything. Midas had his moment, but decline much more than Sea.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 04 2015 15:54 GMT
#164
upmagic on the list over someone like Leta seems incorrect. I don't think Up was ever better than mediocre.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-04 17:05:13
January 04 2015 17:05 GMT
#165
light was historically top 3 tvz, played in a stronger era. his TvT was also elite.

his tvp...is a joke.

but that's just it, light is the strongest terran not to win a major
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-04 19:31:37
January 04 2015 19:25 GMT
#166
On January 04 2015 23:02 iFU.pauline wrote:
Really, I think I would have put Sea first, he always was an Ace player and top terran all his career, never managed to win anything. Midas had his moment, but decline much more than Sea.

Sea suffers the same problem as Leta of not showing convincing BoX play, and therefore not making the cut for the top half of the list. He edges out Leta because of TL's eternal love affair with Sea.

At the end of the day, being able to manage both the pressures of series play is a requirement for being considered one of the best. The top players on the list cemented their places by being some of the best individual league players of their time, edged out by others who were just that much better. Even Light, who some find to be a contentious choice on this list, proved himself capable of impressive series play at times, such as his narrow 2-3 against Jaedong in Bigfile MSL.
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_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
January 04 2015 23:24 GMT
#167
Nice thread didnt know much about midas, iris and goodfriend and that video with midas is heartbreaking. Poor guy.
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