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[Article] Best Terran's to never win a major. - Page 8

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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 21 2014 04:19 GMT
#141
No homo for lomo
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 21 2014 04:47 GMT
#142
Midas.

And yeah, FBH please. )
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8045 Posts
November 21 2014 16:50 GMT
#143
the first name that came in my mind was light
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 17:10:01
November 21 2014 17:09 GMT
#144
The problem is Light's only tournament run was in an era of bullshit Terran maps abusing TvZ imba zz. Odd-Eye and Polaris Rhapsody zzzzzz.
TranslatorBaa!
Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
November 21 2014 17:38 GMT
#145
Not only that, his Elo peak was achieved thanks to Great Barrier Reef, Moon Glaive, and Rush Hour 3. Not exactly P maps.
get stronger play longer
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
November 21 2014 18:02 GMT
#146
On November 19 2014 07:10 GeckoXp wrote:
Then explain to me how Flash was less than Bisu towards the end of KeSPA BW. I hope you stop with the TVing OSL finals, cause everything after was just bullshit (actually, no idea what happened there, it was too painful to watch). Flash ended with a 3rd/4th place in the last OSL (without any Bisu present) and with a way better win/loss ratio in PL. If you refer to that _one_ game he won against Flash by using a designed build - dunno. Bisu fanbois everywhere >_>

I pretty much consider everything after the start of the hybrid proleague to be of very little value. That obviously includes the individual leagues as well.
Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
November 21 2014 18:44 GMT
#147
I still rest comfortably with the fact that Jangbi had held down "longest time without losing a single BW individual league" for longer than any of the bonjwas had.
get stronger play longer
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3371 Posts
November 21 2014 20:17 GMT
#148
what about FBH and Leta?
Horang2 fan
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
November 21 2014 23:14 GMT
#149
TheMarine pls
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
November 22 2014 01:59 GMT
#150
On November 20 2014 04:46 ]343[ wrote:
did Daezang invent Forge FE, or Forge FE -> sair/dt? (I can never tell what anyone means by the "Bisu Build" after all that Combat-Ex nonsense )


Forge FE is as old as natural expansions are, but I don't think it became standard until Bisu.
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 03:16:13
November 22 2014 03:12 GMT
#151
Iris' keyboard inscription: "I will kill every SOB who gets in my way". Hmm...
[image loading]
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 22 2014 12:25 GMT
#152
oh, that image loading joke, amazing
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 25 2014 20:55 GMT
#153
On November 22 2014 10:59 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 04:46 ]343[ wrote:
did Daezang invent Forge FE, or Forge FE -> sair/dt? (I can never tell what anyone means by the "Bisu Build" after all that Combat-Ex nonsense )


Forge FE is as old as natural expansions are, but I don't think it became standard until Bisu.
No, its really not. Forge FE didnt start getting used until around...2002 or 2003, and even then it was basically always an opening to sair reaver.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
IloveFlaSh
Profile Joined November 2014
Russian Federation15 Posts
November 26 2014 08:10 GMT
#154
On November 26 2014 05:55 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 10:59 Cheren wrote:
On November 20 2014 04:46 ]343[ wrote:
did Daezang invent Forge FE, or Forge FE -> sair/dt? (I can never tell what anyone means by the "Bisu Build" after all that Combat-Ex nonsense )


Forge FE is as old as natural expansions are, but I don't think it became standard until Bisu.
No, its really not. Forge FE didnt start getting used until around...2002 or 2003, and even then it was basically always an opening to sair reaver.

Also on most old maps toss just can't go forge FE with only 1 or 2 cannon.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 26 2014 14:52 GMT
#155
On November 19 2014 07:10 GeckoXp wrote:
Then explain to me how Flash was less than Bisu towards the end of KeSPA BW. I hope you stop with the TVing OSL finals, cause everything after was just bullshit (actually, no idea what happened there, it was too painful to watch). Flash ended with a 3rd/4th place in the last OSL (without any Bisu present) and with a way better win/loss ratio in PL. If you refer to that _one_ game he won against Flash by using a designed build - dunno. Bisu fanbois everywhere >_>

The only thing that is more impressive about Bisu's accomplishment than flash's, is the fact that he did it as a protoss.

Flash "blends in" (most winning player ever blending in, lol) by being terran so by that he's being Nada, Boxer and Oov
In the woods, there lurks..
ArmadA[NaS]
Profile Joined January 2014
United States347 Posts
December 28 2014 20:25 GMT
#156
What happened to the Toss/Zerg versions?
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-28 20:42:46
December 28 2014 20:41 GMT
#157
On November 15 2014 23:05 juvenal wrote:
Midas tt


I cant believe that video is still on youtube, feels like ages..
Heres to balance it out
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hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-28 21:22:13
December 28 2014 21:21 GMT
#158
On November 18 2014 15:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 14:28 figq wrote:
poor Really got quite the spanking in this thread
but i'm gonna say like one fellow mentioned, he probably deserves to be somewhere in the top 10 at least


The five mentioned in OP, plus:

Leta
Hwasin
Baby
Skyhigh
Hiya
firebathero
Chrh
TheMarine
Silent_Control
Canata
Ruby

That's at least 15 players who were more relevant than Really was, plus the long list of Terran OSL/MSL winners, and I'm probably forgetting a bunch too.


Wat. I don't really remember Really too well, but I remember Baby not being amazing. Canata I remember as being mediocre at best, but I may just be misremembering.

I also don't remember too much of Skyhigh, but I agree that the rest of your list is above Really (again who I don't remember!).

Also, as big a fan as Leta as I am the only person I'd take off the list for him is GoodFriend, but that's literally because the only thing I can think of that he accomplished was that Ever OSL. He probably has more and thus is more deserving of Leta, who really was just a great player on an atrocious team for most of his career (also don't think Leta ever accomplished shit in an OSL/MSL anyway, which is kind've a big deal for this category imo).

Edit: I'd also say Anytime is up there on "worst players to win a major." Not that he was bad, just that he was probably the worst P to win an OSL or MSL.
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 28 2014 21:52 GMT
#159
On November 16 2014 07:14 arb wrote:

The average C Iccup player could make all of them look like shit nowadays.

Wat?

User was warned for being hilarious
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 28 2014 23:18 GMT
#160
Really was incredibly mediocre, Baby was probably better than him overall.
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