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xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
August 05 2015 00:44 GMT
#61
On August 05 2015 09:24 Siz)Beggar wrote:
so how do i remove the black bars like in windows8?

You need to configure scaling options using the graphics utility program provided for your gpu
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
August 05 2015 06:37 GMT
#62
The same fixes that work on W8 work on W10 for me. Looks perfect...
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 11:18:08
August 05 2015 11:17 GMT
#63
by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)

edit~ added left as well as right side x.x
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
August 05 2015 23:14 GMT
#64
On August 05 2015 20:17 Endymion wrote:
by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)

edit~ added left as well as right side x.x

Correct, monitors do have physical buttons to press to configure the aspect ratio. However this is not an ideal solution because it doesn't change the aspect ratio on a per program basis.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
August 06 2015 03:16 GMT
#65
On August 06 2015 08:14 xboi209 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 20:17 Endymion wrote:
by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)

edit~ added left as well as right side x.x

Correct, monitors do have physical buttons to press to configure the aspect ratio. However this is not an ideal solution because it doesn't change the aspect ratio on a per program basis.

That's typical of CRT's, not so much of newer monitors (basically once you move away from VGA inputs that stops being a thing). Most newer monitors that allow configuration of this just have a scaling option, which would thus have no effect on anything that actually matched the monitor's native resolution.
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
August 06 2015 03:26 GMT
#66
On August 06 2015 12:16 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 08:14 xboi209 wrote:
On August 05 2015 20:17 Endymion wrote:
by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)

edit~ added left as well as right side x.x

Correct, monitors do have physical buttons to press to configure the aspect ratio. However this is not an ideal solution because it doesn't change the aspect ratio on a per program basis.

That's typical of CRT's, not so much of newer monitors (basically once you move away from VGA inputs that stops being a thing). Most newer monitors that allow configuration of this just have a scaling option, which would thus have no effect on anything that actually matched the monitor's native resolution.

Must have been a long time since I've used those buttons or my monitor keeps it that way.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
MonkeyMan1515
Profile Joined August 2015
Canada10 Posts
August 08 2015 23:44 GMT
#67
Hello, ever since i update to windows 10 im having some weird mouse lag ingame,some delay (lobby/channels everything is fine) and this happens only when using mca launcher.. i tried to check/uncheck directdraw and other stuff and nothing has worked so far, made Starcraft compatible with windows 8 and still nothing. without the launcher everything is fine no lag/delay on the mouse.. i tried changin mouse and nothing.. Any ideas? everything was fine before ( i had windows 8.1)

thank you
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
August 08 2015 23:57 GMT
#68
On August 09 2015 08:44 MonkeyMan1515 wrote:
Hello, ever since i update to windows 10 im having some weird mouse lag ingame,some delay (lobby/channels everything is fine) and this happens only when using mca launcher.. i tried to check/uncheck directdraw and other stuff and nothing has worked so far, made Starcraft compatible with windows 8 and still nothing. without the launcher everything is fine no lag/delay on the mouse.. i tried changin mouse and nothing.. Any ideas? everything was fine before ( i had windows 8.1)

thank you

Are you using W-Mode with 2x resolution and CPU throttling enabled? btw this isn't the appropriate thread for your issue, you should have posted in the mca64Launcher thread instead.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
MonkeyMan1515
Profile Joined August 2015
Canada10 Posts
August 09 2015 00:00 GMT
#69
ok sorry, no i am not using W-mode or 2x cpu throttling (i tried with and without cpu throtlling) and still the same
Crankyboiyy
Profile Joined January 2016
1 Post
January 08 2016 11:05 GMT
#70
How do u fix crazy ass lag on windows 10. I changed compatibility n everything, port forwarded 6112 and its still super laggy. I know 1 person in the thread that has the fix, please help. And also i get port 6112udp error when i go to East.
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
January 09 2016 10:47 GMT
#71
Try turning off color cycling to fix the lag. Also there's an issue out of your control that prevents you from playing on US East, Blizzard hasn't acknowledged that this is a problem on their end.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
ndesktop
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Romania109 Posts
January 10 2016 20:53 GMT
#72
Just installed the en-US version from eu.battle.net and works just fine.
Mine more minerals.
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-11 04:39:26
January 11 2016 04:38 GMT
#73
If you are having black bars keep them. If you make it fit the screen the game will not scale properly. It will stretch the picture and will ruin the ratio. Not to mention your mouse speed will be different depending if you are going horizontal or vertical. So it is best to keep the black bars.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada720 Posts
September 07 2016 02:30 GMT
#74
I can't say for sure whether it's the same lag others in this thread encountered, but I found that BW performance on Windows 10 was really bad, apparently due to changes in how DirectDraw is emulated.

The workaround recommended for Worms: Armageddon fixed my framerate and lag issues in Starcraft.

Registry file:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Layers]
"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\StarCraft\\Starcraft.exe"="~ DWM8And16BitMitigation Layer_ForceDirectDrawEmulation"



With this change, I don't need any kind of ddraw replacement or wrapper, nor running starcraft.exe with ddemulate, to have acceptable FPS.

Still trying to get Chaoslauncher to not crash after a few seconds... maybe it's finally time for me to move to a more modern launcher
Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5529 Posts
September 07 2016 02:44 GMT
#75
Oh god damn it I knew i shouldnt have tried that before researching it. i dont know about lag because I can't get into a game now, that completely broke battle.net menus.
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tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
September 07 2016 03:41 GMT
#76
On September 07 2016 11:44 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Oh god damn it I knew i shouldnt have tried that before researching it. i dont know about lag because I can't get into a game now, that completely broke battle.net menus.

You can just delete the registry key to revert to whatever compat flags Windows decides to use by default:

win+r, regedit, browse to
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Layers
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada720 Posts
September 07 2016 03:46 GMT
#77
On September 07 2016 11:44 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Oh god damn it I knew i shouldnt have tried that before researching it. i dont know about lag because I can't get into a game now, that completely broke battle.net menus.


Sorry about that, I was just on my way back here to say that I celebrated too quickly, that compat flag actually does exactly the same thing as the ddemulate command-line switch, including messing up the battle.net menus. Sorry! Reg file to revert the change back to defaults (by deleting the entry) looks like this:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Layers]
"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\StarCraft\\Starcraft.exe"=-



Chaoslauncher crashing seems to have been caused by the CPU Savior plugin. Disabled that and things have been stable. Enabled the built-in CPU throttling in its place for now.
Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time.
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
September 07 2016 05:53 GMT
#78
Windows 10 isn't to blame for any performance issues, there's likely something else causing it. You should describe your problem in more detail too, are there any performance issues when launching BW without any tools/launchers? When does the performance drop? In game? Have you tried toggling the CPU Throttling and Color Cycling options?
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
September 07 2016 06:57 GMT
#79
To be honest I have no idea, but since i bought new pc with windows 10 there were 0 issues with BW for me. No weird colors, I can strech or play in 4:3 mode (fullscreen) mca64 works fine... meanwhile back on Windows 7 (hell..)
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tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada720 Posts
September 08 2016 03:11 GMT
#80
xboi209, thanks for helping!

Windows 10 isn't to blame for any performance issues, there's likely something else causing it.

It seems to be well-documented that there is a change to DirectDraw starting in Windows 8 that does cause performance drops in games that use it. Note that I'm coming from Windows 7, I skipped 8 and 8.1 altogether.
  • "There seems to be an issue in Windows 8/8.1 with DirectX and its DirectDraw emulation. Certain games which use DirectX9 & older run at very low framerates compared to Windows 7 & Vista which to my understanding also emulate DirectDraw."
  • "8-bit and 16-bit screen resolutions are emulated in software, and the DirectDraw used in Windows 8 results in unusual behaviour or poor performance in certain older games, including Worms Armageddon."
  • "Apparently DirectDraw games don't run to well on Windows 8. I recently wanted to play a Desperados an old isometric tactics game. But it ran like 10% the speed it's supposed to. So it was unplayable."

But don't get me wrong - I would be happy to be proven wrong about this!

You should describe your problem in more detail too

Poor framerate is the beginning and end of it. BW runs at what looks like (haven't measured) 15 or 20 FPS, too slowly to control properly.

are there any performance issues when launching BW without any tools/launchers?

Yes.

When does the performance drop? In game?

At all times, it's visible starting from the main menu.

Have you tried toggling the CPU Throttling and Color Cycling options?

CPU Throttling didn't change anything. I have not tried Color Cycling, will check that next. Thanks for the suggestion.

In case it matters, my video card is "Intel Integrated Graphics 4500MHD".
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