MOD Note: Windows 10 has now been released. Please discuss all bugs and issues here :D
So you may or may not of noticed that Windows 10 was announced and the technical preview is available for download.
It is an early build but obviously since all those people posting content out their have their priorities wrong I get to rectify that.
So the important question in fullscreen broodwar appears to work exactly as it does under 8.1 in that its fine for playing the game but battle.net is a bit messed up.
Unfortunately windowed mode appears to be slightly messed up now too, not quite as bad as fullscreen but still annoying (once you get the slider for speed right don't touch it) In game is fine though
I'm sure things are going to change but people are going to want to know about this eventually so why not have a look now. I haven't actually tried playing an actual game but it seemed like it should work fine apart from enduring battle.net mess.
I heard it might've been due to old programs checking for windows "9" as in windows 95, 98, etc (ie. some programs may just check the first number of the Windows version). could be total BS but it kinda makes sense haha
anyways the real question is whether or not BW freezes like it did in windows 7
On October 03 2014 09:51 blabber wrote: I heard it might've been due to old programs checking for windows "9" as in windows 95, 98, etc (ie. some programs may just check the first number of the Windows version). could be total BS but it kinda makes sense haha
anyways the real question is whether or not BW freezes like it did in windows 7
they skipped 9 because its such a huge jump in the evolution of their operating system (should probably mark this as sarcastic recitation of their official statement). I guess its nice for the industry that everyone will have a handy OS on their computer so they don't have to bother making a port. Can't wait when every program will be developed for handys and they just pray that it will handle okay on keyboard and mouse. Deus Ex - the Fall the future of gaming >.> Sorry a huge bit pessimistic after the windows 9 reveal.
good to know though that the backwards compatibility seems to still be there, I was a bit worried with their announcement.
I don't have a BroodWar install handy, so I can't check it out myself. But if there's actually a change in behavior from 8.1 to 10, then I can report it. If it's something that was also busted in 8 or 8.1, then the odds of a fix go down considerably.
On October 03 2014 13:14 Bey wrote: Did you try running it under compatibility mode?
I don't have a BroodWar install handy, so I can't check it out myself. But if there's actually a change in behavior from 8.1 to 10, then I can report it. If it's something that was also busted in 8 or 8.1, then the odds of a fix go down considerably.
There won't be a fix from Microsoft, the problem is because the DirectDraw API is deprecated so no one bothers making things backwards compatible with it.
On October 03 2014 13:36 Izerman wrote: oh god, i cant wait til they mess up like they did with the xbox one. "ok from now on, you can only install stuff from our Windows Store"
-"why are our sales going down 43% last year?" -"hurr durr"
You are being an idiot here. In fact with the new store they expect to distribute desktop apps also.
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
On October 03 2014 13:36 Izerman wrote: oh god, i cant wait til they mess up like they did with the xbox one. "ok from now on, you can only install stuff from our Windows Store"
-"why are our sales going down 43% last year?" -"hurr durr"
You are being an idiot here. In fact with the new store they expect to distribute desktop apps also.
Yeah and bye bye free programs/piracy/everything. This is what they've wanted for years, but eveyr step they take towards this gives mac/linux machines an upswing in sales.. hmm i wonder why?
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
This was my immediate thought as well.
Building the OS they realised that it wouldn't be any good, so they just assumed that the good windows 9 must have been developed and forgotten somewhere deep inside microsoft RnD, and they jumped straight to the next bad one, and appropriately named it windows 10. Oh well, that kind of things happens.
On October 03 2014 09:51 blabber wrote: anyways the real question is whether or not BW freezes like it did in windows 7
I don't know anything about this as I haven't experienced it under 8/8.1. I thought the fix was turning off colour cycling or animated portraits or something?
On October 03 2014 13:14 Bey wrote: Did you try running it under compatibility mode?
I don't have a BroodWar install handy, so I can't check it out myself. But if there's actually a change in behavior from 8.1 to 10, then I can report it. If it's something that was also busted in 8 or 8.1, then the odds of a fix go down considerably.
Oh compatibility mode, whoops forgot about that. Well I just put starcraft.exe in vista compatibility mode and it now display fine in a window.
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
I absolutely love Win 8.1. Just need to spend 2 mins to install Classic Shell to get the Start menu back.
edit: well I do despise those taskhost processes taking all my cpu for no reason, but I had the same kind of shit with Win7 so...
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
WRONG
You are missing windows 2000 pro which was really good. and a much better deal than winme and xp imo, too bad that they didn't keep it updated a long time, I would have never switched until win7 -_-
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
WRONG
You are missing windows 2000 pro which was really good. and a much better deal than winme and xp imo, too bad that they didn't keep it updated a long time, I would have never switched until win7 -_-
this lists can never be right because they include 3 separate windows lines, win 3x, win 9x, and winnt.
The list doesn't have 3.0 and NT3.1,NT3.5x, NT4, 2000 and 95A/B/C, 98SE because then it would break the list. Anyway 2000 did get updated for 10 years so I'm not sure what you are talking about not being updated a long time. Although it did miss out on the anticipated Service Pack 5 from what I remember.
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
WRONG
You are missing windows 2000 pro which was really good. and a much better deal than winme and xp imo, too bad that they didn't keep it updated a long time, I would have never switched until win7 -_-
this lists can never be right because they include 3 separate windows lines, win 3x, win 9x, and winnt.
The list doesn't have 3.0 and NT3.1,NT3.5x, NT4, 2000 and 95A/B/C, 98SE because then it would break the list. Anyway 2000 did get updated for 10 years so I'm not sure what you are talking about not being updated a long time. Although it did miss out on the anticipated Service Pack 5 from what I remember.
Software developers wouldn't provide compatibility with win 2000 pro anymore once XP was released, at least for the programs I was using, that is why I had to switch to winxp.
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
WRONG
You are missing windows 2000 pro which was really good. and a much better deal than winme and xp imo, too bad that they didn't keep it updated a long time, I would have never switched until win7 -_-
this lists can never be right because they include 3 separate windows lines, win 3x, win 9x, and winnt.
The list doesn't have 3.0 and NT3.1,NT3.5x, NT4, 2000 and 95A/B/C, 98SE because then it would break the list. Anyway 2000 did get updated for 10 years so I'm not sure what you are talking about not being updated a long time. Although it did miss out on the anticipated Service Pack 5 from what I remember.
Software developers wouldn't provide compatibility with win 2000 pro anymore once XP was released, at least for the programs I was using, that is why I had to switch to winxp.
Ah thats what you meant, yeah thats definitely true especially as it seems that starting from Visual Studio 2010 you can't even build applications that work on 2000. The same thing will happen to XP more and more though eg Paint.net 4 no longer works on XP.
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
WRONG
You are missing windows 2000 pro which was really good. and a much better deal than winme and xp imo, too bad that they didn't keep it updated a long time, I would have never switched until win7 -_-
Windows 2000 was an NT OS, not a mass public OS. Claiming Windows2000 was better than XP is stupid because Windows 2000 and XP aren't even similar operating systems aside from the fact they're both made by Microsoft. You're talking about something that was MADE for larger scale businesses (Windows 2000) vs something that was made for residential use (WIndows XP).
So in a desperate attempt to break the curse, they had an idea : "Let's just skip bad version numbers so we will only make good windows !"... hence windows 10 ... they just made one terrible mistake ....
WRONG
You are missing windows 2000 pro which was really good. and a much better deal than winme and xp imo, too bad that they didn't keep it updated a long time, I would have never switched until win7 -_-
Windows 2000 was an NT OS, not a mass public OS. Claiming Windows2000 was better than XP is stupid because Windows 2000 and XP aren't even similar operating systems aside from the fact they're both made by Microsoft. You're talking about something that was MADE for larger scale businesses (Windows 2000) vs something that was made for residential use (WIndows XP).
Both 2000 and XP are NT versions 5.0 and 5.1 respectively. Saying they are not similar is ludicrous however XP marked the end of 9x and NT was now finally used by both consumers and enterprise.
This Is How You Fix This Problem In 5 Easy Steps!!
*1 Go to computer school for 5 years. *2 Learn solutions architecture, with a emphasis on virtualization technology, which takes 1 or 2 years. *3 Get a MSDN developer subscription which gives you free access to any software from Microsoft. *4 Install a layered ESX-R virtual machine on your PC, such as VirtualBox or WMwareWorkstation. *5 Create one virtual machine for each operative system starting with windows 95 to the most modern one.
Congrats! you just solved any software to operative system compability you ever had in the past or ever will have in the future!
On October 05 2014 23:42 L3gendary wrote: I've always wondered, do virtual machines introduce latency when playing?
Depends on the quality of the virtual machine and how high end your computer is. The long answer is that there are two kinds of virtual machines(VM), one that uses your existing operative system and one that is loaded right after you loaded your BIOS settings.
If you are using a VM that is loaded after that you loaded a local copy of your operative system then you are running two operative systems and some kind of emulator between the two systems where the emulator is responsible for certain drivers, such as sound, grahpics and so on since your VM needs certain drivers and resources from your local operative system. Due to the emulator and the fact that you are using two operative systems it will become slower, and in some cases the grahpics might not display properly.
The second solution where you first load the VM right after the BIOS is practically identical to having a normal operative system installed since you then only have a thin interface pausing the whole process between the BIOS and the actually booting of the operative system which just asks you what kind of operative system you want to boot with, and once the boot has been made its just the operative system that is actually running and nothing else.
On October 05 2014 23:38 Integra wrote: This Is How You Fix This Problem In 5 Easy Steps!!
*1 Go to computer school for 5 years. *2 Learn solutions architecture, with a emphasis on virtualization technology, which takes 1 or 2 years. *3 Get a MSDN developer subscription which gives you free access to any software from Microsoft. *4 Install a layered ESX-R virtual machine on your PC, such as VirtualBox or WMwareWorkstation. *5 Create one virtual machine for each operative system starting with windows 95 to the most modern one.
Congrats! you just solved any software to operative system compability you ever had in the past or ever will have in the future!
I think I'll just skip the first three steps and do that anyway.
On October 05 2014 23:42 L3gendary wrote: I've always wondered, do virtual machines introduce latency when playing?
Depends on the quality of the virtual machine and how high end your computer is. The long answer is that there are two kinds of virtual machines(VM), one that uses your existing operative system and one that is loaded right after you loaded your BIOS settings.
If you are using a VM that is loaded after that you loaded a local copy of your operative system then you are running two operative systems and some kind of emulator between the two systems where the emulator is responsible for certain drivers, such as sound, grahpics and so on since your VM needs certain drivers and resources from your local operative system. Due to the emulator and the fact that you are using two operative systems it will become slower, and in some cases the grahpics might not display properly.
The second solution where you first load the VM right after the BIOS is practically identical to having a normal operative system installed since you then only have a thin interface pausing the whole process between the BIOS and the actually booting of the operative system which just asks you what kind of operative system you want to boot with, and once the boot has been made its just the operative system that is actually running and nothing else.
Thanks for the info. I'll probably just create a winxp partition in that case to avoid any issues.
I'm just glad they're getting rid of this windows 8 crap. I bought a new comp about 6 months ago, had windows 8 which looks like it's for fkin tablets.... and the windows updates for it fked my comp up twice and microsoft wanted $140 to fix it each time after admitting it was their update's fault. Glad a new windows is coming out, glad its back to the old format, and hope to god windows 8 dies and never returns. Honestly though... who puts a fkin tablet operating system on a pc... who uses a touch screen monitor on a pc... so stupid and ineffective rofl...
On July 30 2015 08:02 [[Starlight]] wrote: bump'd 'cuz Windows 10 is actually out now, and ppl want to hear what user experiences are running BW under it
On July 30 2015 08:02 [[Starlight]] wrote: bump'd 'cuz Windows 10 is actually out now, and ppl want to hear what user experiences are running BW under it
Same as Windows 8
So fine in full screen apart from BNet is that correct?
On July 30 2015 08:02 [[Starlight]] wrote: bump'd 'cuz Windows 10 is actually out now, and ppl want to hear what user experiences are running BW under it
Same as Windows 8
So fine in full screen apart from BNet is that correct?
well when apple went os X version 9.1 was kinda an extesion as well.... it seems like the more the go ahead the more they worsen the system. les and less and less. when will they learn. maybe even windows 7 (which i am on was a mistake) i' m missing windows 98 and paint
It runs better than in Windows 8.1 for me. With the latest mca64 launcher it doesn't even close the explorer.exe and run really smooth in fullscreen. To bad the Bnet is messed up but matches run perfect.
So BW is still playable on windows 10 right? I'm gonna build a new comp soon (i5, 250gb ssd, 8gb ram) and want to buy windows 10 home for it, but if BW doesn't run I'm not sure what I'll do
On August 05 2015 03:03 Assault_1 wrote: So BW is still playable on windows 10 right? I'm gonna build a new comp soon (i5, 250gb ssd, 8gb ram) and want to buy windows 10 home for it, but if BW doesn't run I'm not sure what I'll do
Relevant posts from the other windows 10 thread I closed.
On August 04 2015 07:24 Siz)Beggar wrote: i cant play bw on windows 10 in windows or regular ive changed resoluton and done everything xbox recommens with mca but idk why its not workin any soulutinos ?
On August 04 2015 08:22 Siz)Beggar wrote: when i go in full mode i have big black bars on side of screeen
Sounds contradictory there
What boxes are you checking??? The black bars on the sides are normal because SC is made for 4:3 aspect ratio, you can stretch it using software provided for your gpu.
On August 04 2015 09:41 Siz)Beggar wrote: none at all and i also experience horrible lag when im in games
Can you verify that it's not network lag or other programs using too much cpu?
On August 05 2015 02:33 Siz)Beggar wrote: fixed lag issue how do i get black bars i dont know how to change aspect to allow for the bars on side to be gone
On August 05 2015 03:03 Assault_1 wrote: So BW is still playable on windows 10 right? I'm gonna build a new comp soon (i5, 250gb ssd, 8gb ram) and want to buy windows 10 home for it, but if BW doesn't run I'm not sure what I'll do
On July 30 2015 08:02 [[Starlight]] wrote: bump'd 'cuz Windows 10 is actually out now, and ppl want to hear what user experiences are running BW under it
Same as Windows 8
So fine in full screen apart from BNet is that correct?
Yes
On August 02 2015 19:49 nicoc77 wrote: It runs better than in Windows 8.1 for me. With the latest mca64 launcher it doesn't even close the explorer.exe and run really smooth in fullscreen. To bad the Bnet is messed up but matches run perfect.
Anyone tried installing Win7 or WinXP in a virtual machine inside Win10? I haven't upgraded yet, but I will. All the searches about virtual machines + Win10, have to do with previewing Win10, and not using older OS's in Win10. Surely there'll be some software that'll let you vitualize it. Dual-booting is messy and I don't know what I'm doing so I don't want to partition my hard drive wrong. My only concern would be lag. Or you could even make a portable 'Live' USB of Win7 or WinXP. Make sure it's USB3.0 again, I don't know if the lag would be noticeable.
On August 05 2015 03:03 Assault_1 wrote: So BW is still playable on windows 10 right? I'm gonna build a new comp soon (i5, 250gb ssd, 8gb ram) and want to buy windows 10 home for it, but if BW doesn't run I'm not sure what I'll do
Windows 10 has the same issues as Windows 8, if you haven't played SC on Windows 8, it's just graphical issues with the Battle.net interface but everything else is perfect. All the other issues like SC being too small or black bars on the sides are issues with the GPU and not the OS.
On August 05 2015 04:57 bITt.mAN wrote: Anyone tried installing Win7 or WinXP in a virtual machine inside Win10? I haven't upgraded yet, but I will. All the searches about virtual machines + Win10, have to do with previewing Win10, and not using older OS's in Win10. Surely there'll be some software that'll let you vitualize it. Dual-booting is messy and I don't know what I'm doing so I don't want to partition my hard drive wrong. My only concern would be lag. Or you could even make a portable 'Live' USB of Win7 or WinXP. Make sure it's USB3.0 again, I don't know if the lag would be noticeable.
There shouldn't be a problem creating a Windows 7/Windows XP virtual machine in Windows 10 AFAIK. You'll need a good computer if you don't want to experience much lag using a virtual machine though
BW works perfectly with mca64launcher and 2x screen mode. The BNET graphics glitches still occur yeah, but other than that it works like a charm. I haven't gotten my free copy of W10 yet but I'm assuming that it will turn out the same way.
by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)
On August 05 2015 20:17 Endymion wrote: by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)
edit~ added left as well as right side x.x
Correct, monitors do have physical buttons to press to configure the aspect ratio. However this is not an ideal solution because it doesn't change the aspect ratio on a per program basis.
On August 05 2015 20:17 Endymion wrote: by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)
edit~ added left as well as right side x.x
Correct, monitors do have physical buttons to press to configure the aspect ratio. However this is not an ideal solution because it doesn't change the aspect ratio on a per program basis.
That's typical of CRT's, not so much of newer monitors (basically once you move away from VGA inputs that stops being a thing). Most newer monitors that allow configuration of this just have a scaling option, which would thus have no effect on anything that actually matched the monitor's native resolution.
On August 05 2015 20:17 Endymion wrote: by "black bars" do you mean the two vertical bars on the right and left side of your screen the game's native aspect ratio? if so, that can also be a monitor option (as it was for me, although i was trying to force the black bars on win7 not get rid of them)
edit~ added left as well as right side x.x
Correct, monitors do have physical buttons to press to configure the aspect ratio. However this is not an ideal solution because it doesn't change the aspect ratio on a per program basis.
That's typical of CRT's, not so much of newer monitors (basically once you move away from VGA inputs that stops being a thing). Most newer monitors that allow configuration of this just have a scaling option, which would thus have no effect on anything that actually matched the monitor's native resolution.
Must have been a long time since I've used those buttons or my monitor keeps it that way.
Hello, ever since i update to windows 10 im having some weird mouse lag ingame,some delay (lobby/channels everything is fine) and this happens only when using mca launcher.. i tried to check/uncheck directdraw and other stuff and nothing has worked so far, made Starcraft compatible with windows 8 and still nothing. without the launcher everything is fine no lag/delay on the mouse.. i tried changin mouse and nothing.. Any ideas? everything was fine before ( i had windows 8.1)
On August 09 2015 08:44 MonkeyMan1515 wrote: Hello, ever since i update to windows 10 im having some weird mouse lag ingame,some delay (lobby/channels everything is fine) and this happens only when using mca launcher.. i tried to check/uncheck directdraw and other stuff and nothing has worked so far, made Starcraft compatible with windows 8 and still nothing. without the launcher everything is fine no lag/delay on the mouse.. i tried changin mouse and nothing.. Any ideas? everything was fine before ( i had windows 8.1)
thank you
Are you using W-Mode with 2x resolution and CPU throttling enabled? btw this isn't the appropriate thread for your issue, you should have posted in the mca64Launcher thread instead.
How do u fix crazy ass lag on windows 10. I changed compatibility n everything, port forwarded 6112 and its still super laggy. I know 1 person in the thread that has the fix, please help. And also i get port 6112udp error when i go to East.
Try turning off color cycling to fix the lag. Also there's an issue out of your control that prevents you from playing on US East, Blizzard hasn't acknowledged that this is a problem on their end.
If you are having black bars keep them. If you make it fit the screen the game will not scale properly. It will stretch the picture and will ruin the ratio. Not to mention your mouse speed will be different depending if you are going horizontal or vertical. So it is best to keep the black bars.
I can't say for sure whether it's the same lag others in this thread encountered, but I found that BW performance on Windows 10 was really bad, apparently due to changes in how DirectDraw is emulated.
Oh god damn it I knew i shouldnt have tried that before researching it. i dont know about lag because I can't get into a game now, that completely broke battle.net menus.
On September 07 2016 11:44 jimminy_kriket wrote: Oh god damn it I knew i shouldnt have tried that before researching it. i dont know about lag because I can't get into a game now, that completely broke battle.net menus.
You can just delete the registry key to revert to whatever compat flags Windows decides to use by default:
On September 07 2016 11:44 jimminy_kriket wrote: Oh god damn it I knew i shouldnt have tried that before researching it. i dont know about lag because I can't get into a game now, that completely broke battle.net menus.
Sorry about that, I was just on my way back here to say that I celebrated too quickly, that compat flag actually does exactly the same thing as the ddemulate command-line switch, including messing up the battle.net menus. Sorry! Reg file to revert the change back to defaults (by deleting the entry) looks like this:
Chaoslauncher crashing seems to have been caused by the CPU Savior plugin. Disabled that and things have been stable. Enabled the built-in CPU throttling in its place for now.
Windows 10 isn't to blame for any performance issues, there's likely something else causing it. You should describe your problem in more detail too, are there any performance issues when launching BW without any tools/launchers? When does the performance drop? In game? Have you tried toggling the CPU Throttling and Color Cycling options?
To be honest I have no idea, but since i bought new pc with windows 10 there were 0 issues with BW for me. No weird colors, I can strech or play in 4:3 mode (fullscreen) mca64 works fine... meanwhile back on Windows 7 (hell..)
Windows 10 isn't to blame for any performance issues, there's likely something else causing it.
It seems to be well-documented that there is a change to DirectDraw starting in Windows 8 that does cause performance drops in games that use it. Note that I'm coming from Windows 7, I skipped 8 and 8.1 altogether.
Windows 10 isn't to blame for any performance issues, there's likely something else causing it.
It seems to be well-documented that there is a change to DirectDraw starting in Windows 8 that does cause performance drops in games that use it. Note that I'm coming from Windows 7, I skipped 8 and 8.1 altogether.
But don't get me wrong - I would be happy to be proven wrong about this!
If it were true that the OS is to solely blame for performance issues, then everyone using that OS should be experiencing the same thing, which is definitely not occurring.
So the operating system is ruled out here, the next suspect is usually the graphics card/driver. I don't have much to say about that, but I would encourage you to poke around the settings for your graphics card.
Lastly, I'd like to point out that seemingly innocuous things could cause bugs in programs. From my recent personal experience, after I applied the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, my League of Legends client kept freezing on the loading screen. The fix for that was to go to the xbox app that I've never used before and turn off Game DVR in the settings.
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