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United States20661 Posts
On November 23 2006 19:47 davidgurt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote:
i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill. I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise.
Top 10 on west? Sorry. There are at least 30+ Korean pros who frequent west... I'd like to see you take a game from YellOw or even HOT486...
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The crazy effects are kind of cool but mostly headache-inducing. Mispelling "bieng" over and over also wanted to make me throw up. I thought it was a typo and said "Aw, too bad that typo went overlooked and ruined the high-qualityness of the video"...then it just appeared over and over again. I cringed each time.
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On November 23 2006 19:47 davidgurt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote:
i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill. I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise.
paragraphs also take skill apparently
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Overall, it was okay, not great.
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like many others said, horrible effects, headache inducing. would never recommend or watch it again.
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that was a complete waste of time
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United States42674 Posts
On November 23 2006 20:16 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2006 19:47 davidgurt wrote:On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote:
i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill. I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise. Top 10 on west? Sorry. There are at least 30+ Korean pros who frequent west... I'd like to see you take a game from YellOw or even HOT486...
He quite clearly meant top 10 fastest players on west. I don't know enough about the fastest community to tell if thats true but I doubt Yellow plays many "3v3 Fastest" games.
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Calgary25980 Posts
You guys are snobs. This is honestly just as good as any other highlight video I've seen lately.
No good moves? Lockdown on Shuttle; Templar getting dropped but then emped (really nice), DA maelstromining workers and then psiing (nice), dodging emp with arbiters, self-stasising probes (nice), lockdown on observers, and the list goes on. I think this movie has more original moves than any other I've seen in at least a year.
It was also good because it didn't show you the same fucking move 4 times with obnoxious zooming. I could see what was going on and I only had to watch it once. I also liked that there was a mix between first person and third person views.
I liked it.
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i think that the concept they worked on was good, but they could have worked in the zooms and camera twist which don't really add to the video.
Otherwise, i liked it, cool.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
# Chill ..tell 'em how it is... but unfortunately there will always be whiners and the sheep that bleat after.. I wonder sometimes how the guys that make the movies take all the crap, specially from the spoiled brats that never give anything but their complaints.
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On November 24 2006 05:14 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2006 20:16 Last Romantic wrote:On November 23 2006 19:47 davidgurt wrote:On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote:
i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill. I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise. Top 10 on west? Sorry. There are at least 30+ Korean pros who frequent west... I'd like to see you take a game from YellOw or even HOT486... He quite clearly meant top 10 fastest players on west. I don't know enough about the fastest community to tell if thats true but I doubt Yellow plays many "3v3 Fastest" games.
Yes, I clearly meant top 10 for fastest. I just checked the website, and apparently it's still up: www.vgtour.net. And as for those of you who still think playing fastest takes no skill whatsoever, I would gladly play anyone and see if you can win. Sorry, read more carefully next time.
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Well vgtour is actually gone but the site is still there. I won VGT season 3 in the 2v2 part and was part of the SlayerS winning guild. Now the league we play on is at www.starcraftdream.com or www.clanlare.com
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United States20661 Posts
" I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West."
It's not actually that clear. Because of the placement of "before I switched to low", "I ended up becoming one of the top 10 blahblahblah" could actually refer to low money maps instead of fastest.
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I never said fastest doesn't take skill. I was just amused by your comment of top 10 on west. Sorry if I misunderstood you, but there's no need to pull out insults.
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i couldn't finish watching it. all the effects gave me a headache, so i had to close it
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United States7166 Posts
whatever happened to the awesome style of videos (like xellos_pluto's) that had minimal special effects that didnt get in the way of the footage.. so many videos now, mostly euro vids have way too many effects. the videos should be about the gameplay/people you showcase, not yourself and how good you are at editing videos
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the awesome style of xellos_pluto's videos? you mean how he took clips of progamers playing and slapped them together with music?
his videos werent well made, not even in the slightest. granted they were actually watchable, unlike this video
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 24 2006 18:27 SoMuchBetter wrote:
the awesome style of xellos_pluto's videos? you mean how he took clips of progamers playing and slapped them together with music?
his videos werent well made, not even in the slightest. granted they were actually watchable, unlike this video
i found many of xellospluto's vids enjoyable :\
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
alffla wrote: i found many of xellospluto's vids enjoyable :\
me 2 xellospluto owns.
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United States7166 Posts
'awesome style' isn't quite right yes, because he didnt focus on style but on quality footage which made it awesome. special effects, zooming in/out, ultra-slow motion, and worst of all flashes that serve only to go along with the music all can get in the way of what's actually trying to be shown, the gameplay.
imo, acceptable effects include (but may not be limited to) transitional effects (between clips), intro/ending effects (provided they aren't TOO long)
i also like it when video makers put in things like:
1. joining multiple adjacent screens together to form a giant screen (as if viewing the game on high resolution)
2. picture-in-picture to show 2 different areas simultaneously
3. unit frames/selection panels along with footage
4. showing the player's face/1st-person micro/hands and most of all, their facial reactions 
5. background info: not only the player names, but who is what color, what game/league/tournament/date
6. if it's from a vod, we should hear the announcers over the music
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