A movie about the Fastest map community and its gameplay.
Thanks to everyone else on Bnet & SCD who adds to the dramatic melting pot that is our Fastest Map Community.
With these words ends the movie. The question that comes to mind when introduced to any movie, particularly from another of our communities that may not be of our interest, is: is it worth watching? The answer is yes. Will you like it? I do not know. I enjoyed it. I kept me entertained from beginning to end. I was pleasantly surprised at how many classic tactics that we see in "low money" melee, as they like to call us, are used with rather disturbing success in the fastest money community. One must weigh in the fact that I never really played fastest or money maps so my experience in their world is next to zero, nevertheless micro is micro. Regardless the type of StarCraft gaming most movies focus on micro and this movie is no exception.
Is it well done? Yes. Please bare in mind that it is not directed by Ridley Scott nor Dino De Laurentiis(I). I give it a 8/10 overall and it would have been a 9/10 if we could have been spared of a few details which in a younger audience would probably add to the movie, not subtract. Also at around minute 10 the music becomes unbearable for a short while, but this of course is a very personal view. If I had to give the movie makers only one advice, it would be to remove the few mini-map screenshots or clips. I know it is a biased advice, but money maps in general provide horrendous mini-maps images that will scare even the most tolerant low money player away and any decent map makers out there.
I do beg dear forum member to spare us from the usual shallow minded comments about whether Fastest deserves any of our attention, or the endless squabbles between money and no money map StarCraft gaming. We have heard many such arguments ad nauseum over the years and they never lead anywhere. Also to be noted is that should they switch to low money, which I suspect most do eventually, I have a feeling they will only add longevity to our game. They, the Fastest community, are just another facet in our community at large, and if one thing comes clear from this movie, they have their own identity and they are indeed StarCraft gamers.
Movie Details A Battle Production & Cal Creations. Editing by Calvino One movie divided in three sections: BattleCal- Hail the victorious Dead. Battlerival - This is really going to hurt BattleCheese - Battle with Honor and Humanity Size: RAR file, 306 MB Duration: 13:30 min:sec
Calvino United States. November 24 2006 23:29. Posts 1 wrote: Thx a lot for the overwhelming feedback all. I enjoyed reading all your comments, critiques, downfalls, etc. I accept suggestions openly, and I'm definitely not one to get mad over peoples opinions of my work.
I want you all to keep in mind that this was my very first video! It took me two months for 13 minutes. It was fun ^_^ lol
Anyway, I'll admit I think I over did it on the effects, but all in all I feel it turned out nicely. I liked the theme I chose and the quotes, etc. I play both low money and fastest, but I excel at fastest map so I chose to make a montage over that which I'm best at.
I'm glad a majority of you enjoyed it, and I'll keep in mind your suggestions when I set out to make my second. <3
On November 22 2006 23:12 thedeadhaji wrote: Thanks fo rthe great intro physician, b/c if it werent for your writeup I wouldnt watch it.
And you nailed it. That is the only reason I wrote it, to give the movie the merit it deserves. It has been literally ignored by all outside their own community, and yeah, maybe a few zooms too many, but it ain't bad. It is better than a lot of the stuff you can find on YouTube that sometimes gets glorified as good or funny, when it is actually just more crap cluttering the pipes..
I just finished watching it, it was pretty good. Definitely worth seeing. Although a lot of their cool moves wouldn't be there in the first place had it not been the lack of control from the other side.
It was funny in some parts like the probe recall. I just didn't find it very entertaining but I'm not into that type of melee. Still the video was done really well, some decent music, and some funny parts. Worth seeing.
The fuck you talkin about? This sucked. Even pum's movie where he blatantly ripped off both nada and oov from replays he probably knew almost everyone had seen, claiming that it was this mysteryland figure was better than this. This had tons of obnoxious zoom in, the quality of the play was bad, whether or not it takes equal skill is irrelevant, let's not bring this argument up again. Some clips were decent, such as the mass sheild batteries one and the maelstrom+storm clips, but some of them were beyond retarded. 150 lings attack moving into a protoss base? 20 vultures vs THREE WHOPPING ZEALOTS OMGFG? Bad movie in general. The fastest map community DOES get some undeserved bad rep due to the thousands and thousands of 14 year old bnet kiddies who play 3v3 fastest map ever and have no talent whatsoever, but some of these people who play fastest are genuinely talented and creative and could succeed in real starcraft with a small crash course, the mechanical skills of the guy doing the first person capture were acceptable, below the average of a given low money player. 1v1 fastest, and most of the clips featured in the movie were 1v1, is at least more respectable than talentless idiot carrier massing 3v3 pickup game only players. Sorry, but I just didn't like it. It was worth watching purely for some perspective on the fastest map ever "community".
On November 22 2006 23:42 Drowsy wrote: The fuck you talkin about? This sucked. Even pum's movie where he blatantly ripped off both nada and oov from replays he probably knew almost everyone had seen, claiming that it was this mysteryland figure was better than this. This had tons of obnoxious zoom in, the quality of the play was bad, whether or not it takes equal skill is irrelevant, let's not bring this argument up again. Some clips were decent, such as the mass sheild batteries one and the maelstrom+storm clips, but some of them were beyond retarded. 150 lings attack moving into a protoss base? 20 vultures vs THREE WHOPPING ZEALOTS OMGFG? Bad movie in general. The fastest map community DOES get some undeserved bad rep due to the thousands and thousands of 14 year old bnet kiddies who play 3v3 fastest map ever and have no talent whatsoever, but some of these people who play fastest are genuinely talented and creative and could succeed in real starcraft with a small crash course, the mechanical skills of the guy doing the first person capture were acceptable, below the average of a given low money player. 1v1 fastest, and most of the clips featured in the movie were 1v1, is at least more respectable than talentless idiot carrier massing 3v3 pickup game only players. Sorry, but I just didn't like it. It was worth watching purely for some perspective on the fastest map ever "community".
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So why can't you simply say you don't like it, since Physician already covered that many in the FPM community are skilled. Basically all you added was your rant about how much the movie sucked, which was completely unnecessary.
I liked it. It's interesting to see some of the FPM games, since I've never even played on the map. That's not true....I've played a few games. It was fun. And people like you seem to forget that the point of a game is fun. He made the movie for fun too. So don't be a complete asshat about it. However I do agree that a few of the SFX were over the top, but first time movie makers (as was stated he was) always do that.
Some of the stuff was nice to look at but not really impressive. But a lot of it was funny, in the way that players micro'd horribly or made completely unnecessarily moves. Like maelstorming the miners or micro'ing 12 Vultures against a few slow Zealots. I don't play fastest but I still thought it was all right, apart from the headache inducing effects at times.
.. a few tactics that are specific to their own community that would not translate to low money gameplay e.g. desperate stasis on your own workers to save them, given their restricted mining space, seems like a sound last minute solution. I am pretty sure most of our gameplay can be applied in their games but not vice versa. It was nice to see something different for a change.
Ya, I remember being a 20 year old surf punk in Socal.. thinking I was a bad ass; giving crap to anyone with a longboard. "how could they ride those stupid things? Nobody cool rides those!" 20 years later, turns out I was the "minority" and "they" were the majority. Missed out on a lot of fun by not giving an "occasional" longboard a try.
.... sorry 300mb bit big for me... I'm sure it was a lot of work tho! And I'm sure it's as you say better than 90% of the nonsense on youtube. Wonder if they made a "preview"?
Movie wasn't good at all. It is amazing to see fastest people using maelstorm, but with the kind of resources they have I would tech everything. Boring imo
Fairly boring in all honesty. And the moves were either not that great or performed vs noobs. I mean the nuke vs carrier thing, what was he really expecting to happen if he ignored the little red dot. I guess it wouldn't be so boring if I liked fastest but there you go. Not bad as such, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you feel nostalgic over fpm.
a bit like watching two cheaters in cs play each other. both cheat and suck at the same time, but theyre so stupid it makes for one helluva funny watch.
On November 22 2006 23:42 Drowsy wrote: The fuck you talkin about? This sucked. Even pum's movie where he blatantly ripped off both nada and oov from replays he probably knew almost everyone had seen, claiming that it was this mysteryland figure was better than this. This had tons of obnoxious zoom in, the quality of the play was bad, whether or not it takes equal skill is irrelevant, let's not bring this argument up again. Some clips were decent, such as the mass sheild batteries one and the maelstrom+storm clips, but some of them were beyond retarded. 150 lings attack moving into a protoss base? 20 vultures vs THREE WHOPPING ZEALOTS OMGFG? Bad movie in general. The fastest map community DOES get some undeserved bad rep due to the thousands and thousands of 14 year old bnet kiddies who play 3v3 fastest map ever and have no talent whatsoever, but some of these people who play fastest are genuinely talented and creative and could succeed in real starcraft with a small crash course, the mechanical skills of the guy doing the first person capture were acceptable, below the average of a given low money player. 1v1 fastest, and most of the clips featured in the movie were 1v1, is at least more respectable than talentless idiot carrier massing 3v3 pickup game only players. Sorry, but I just didn't like it. It was worth watching purely for some perspective on the fastest map ever "community".
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i thought to abort the download when i heard the word "fastest map gamer"
This sucked and the painful amount of random zoom made me nauseous. it honestly made me queasy watching it zoom all the way into a hydralisks colon for no goddamn purpose only to do it all over again on some attack moving lings. But you definitely need to zoom into VANHELSING giving you mad propz or someone saying "her come da lings ok!!!!"
Foreign SC movie makers are still stuck in this state of style over substance, probably because there's a lack of substance that they feel need to be filled in with random vegas video effects. Leave it to fastest mappers to fucking take it too goddamn far. What an awful movie
i wonder what a game on fastest maps would be like between two progamers or extremely good players. and whats the top fastest player vs top low money player? next to nothing. low has soo much more skill involved but you gotta admit, fastest is a fucking blast to play every so often.
i just watched it and let me tell you it makes me sick. the only cool thing that was done was when he maelstromed the workers then DIDNT STORM THEM LOL. these videos make me sick. its very easy to defend a choke wit like 50000 tech units from zerg mass.. and did u guys see that science vessels EMP his depots lol!
i was expeceting some halfway decent micro or something but it was either vs a bd player or just bad itself.
You people have become so god damn serious, that you forgott the very meaning of a video game. Entertianment. That's the word Even in Korea where Starcraft is played professionaly it's called - entertainment sport - . You say the movie was boring ? Let me tell something . This movie represent the fun part of Starcraft . If you want to make yourself a name in Starcraft you dont play Fastest maps ever When you play maps like this you play for fun , not to become a perfect uber gossu starcraft champion . You play for fun . So have some fun .
Some of the moves were pretty cool. Nothing too hard, but pretty cool nonetheless. Needless to say, a lot of them were really retarded. I mean, really, who really wants to watch a bunch of SCV's repairing a turret for 30 seconds? And that one with 15+ vultures vs. 3 slowlots that people here have been talking about. WTF was that? Even I could win that fight
It was an alright movie. I didn't find it as bad as some of the people here. I'd give it a 6/10.
On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote: a bit like watching two cheaters in cs play each other. both cheat and suck at the same time, but theyre so stupid it makes for one helluva funny watch.
On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote: i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill.
I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise.
On November 22 2006 23:42 Drowsy wrote: The fuck you talkin about? This sucked. Even pum's movie where he blatantly ripped off both nada and oov from replays he probably knew almost everyone had seen, claiming that it was this mysteryland figure was better than this. This had tons of obnoxious zoom in, the quality of the play was bad, whether or not it takes equal skill is irrelevant, let's not bring this argument up again. Some clips were decent, such as the mass sheild batteries one and the maelstrom+storm clips, but some of them were beyond retarded. 150 lings attack moving into a protoss base? 20 vultures vs THREE WHOPPING ZEALOTS OMGFG? Bad movie in general. The fastest map community DOES get some undeserved bad rep due to the thousands and thousands of 14 year old bnet kiddies who play 3v3 fastest map ever and have no talent whatsoever, but some of these people who play fastest are genuinely talented and creative and could succeed in real starcraft with a small crash course, the mechanical skills of the guy doing the first person capture were acceptable, below the average of a given low money player. 1v1 fastest, and most of the clips featured in the movie were 1v1, is at least more respectable than talentless idiot carrier massing 3v3 pickup game only players. Sorry, but I just didn't like it. It was worth watching purely for some perspective on the fastest map ever "community".
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So why can't you simply say you don't like it, since Physician already covered that many in the FPM community are skilled. Basically all you added was your rant about how much the movie sucked, which was completely unnecessary.
I'd much rather have someone explain why they thought something was bad/poor/shitty than have him/her simply state "this sucks."
On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote: i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill.
I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise.
Top 10 on west? Sorry. There are at least 30+ Korean pros who frequent west... I'd like to see you take a game from YellOw or even HOT486...
The crazy effects are kind of cool but mostly headache-inducing. Mispelling "bieng" over and over also wanted to make me throw up. I thought it was a typo and said "Aw, too bad that typo went overlooked and ruined the high-qualityness of the video"...then it just appeared over and over again. I cringed each time.
On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote: i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill.
I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise.
On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote: i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill.
I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise.
Top 10 on west? Sorry. There are at least 30+ Korean pros who frequent west... I'd like to see you take a game from YellOw or even HOT486...
He quite clearly meant top 10 fastest players on west. I don't know enough about the fastest community to tell if thats true but I doubt Yellow plays many "3v3 Fastest" games.
You guys are snobs. This is honestly just as good as any other highlight video I've seen lately.
No good moves? Lockdown on Shuttle; Templar getting dropped but then emped (really nice), DA maelstromining workers and then psiing (nice), dodging emp with arbiters, self-stasising probes (nice), lockdown on observers, and the list goes on. I think this movie has more original moves than any other I've seen in at least a year.
It was also good because it didn't show you the same fucking move 4 times with obnoxious zooming. I could see what was going on and I only had to watch it once. I also liked that there was a mix between first person and third person views.
i think that the concept they worked on was good, but they could have worked in the zooms and camera twist which don't really add to the video. Otherwise, i liked it, cool.
# Chill ..tell 'em how it is... but unfortunately there will always be whiners and the sheep that bleat after.. I wonder sometimes how the guys that make the movies take all the crap, specially from the spoiled brats that never give anything but their complaints.
On November 23 2006 03:47 pyrogenetix wrote: i seriously dont see how you can argue that fastest takes skill. its like argueing that aimbot takes skill.
I'd actually have to disagree. Although I must say that playing regular maps (low) requires much more skill than playing fastest (money) will ever require, you have to keep in mind that it's a different type of playing style. In my point of view, it's sort of like comparing chess to checkers; although chess requires much more skill, checkers is also a board game and although it can thought of requiring no skill whatsoever, it still requires something. I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West. In fact, I just recently played a few games on fastest last week to see how much worse I've gotten. I could definitely see that I was definitely not playing as well as I did before, when I still played money maps, but I did find out that my APM skyrocketed from my practicing on regular maps (180 -> 250 APM on fastest, whereas my regular APM is only 160-200 APM). There was actually a mock-pgtour for fastest called vgtour last season; try searching for it online. As for the movie, a lot of the people playing are absolutely horrible (as most others players I've seen in fmp VODs). There are a lot of different techniques you learn while playing fastest, even if many of you might think otherwise.
Top 10 on west? Sorry. There are at least 30+ Korean pros who frequent west... I'd like to see you take a game from YellOw or even HOT486...
He quite clearly meant top 10 fastest players on west. I don't know enough about the fastest community to tell if thats true but I doubt Yellow plays many "3v3 Fastest" games.
Yes, I clearly meant top 10 for fastest. I just checked the website, and apparently it's still up: www.vgtour.net. And as for those of you who still think playing fastest takes no skill whatsoever, I would gladly play anyone and see if you can win. Sorry, read more carefully next time.
Well vgtour is actually gone but the site is still there. I won VGT season 3 in the 2v2 part and was part of the SlayerS winning guild. Now the league we play on is at www.starcraftdream.com or www.clanlare.com
" I actually played fastest for a year and a half before I switched to low (this was about a year ago), and I ended up becoming one of the top ten players on West."
It's not actually that clear. Because of the placement of "before I switched to low", "I ended up becoming one of the top 10 blahblahblah" could actually refer to low money maps instead of fastest.
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I never said fastest doesn't take skill. I was just amused by your comment of top 10 on west. Sorry if I misunderstood you, but there's no need to pull out insults.
whatever happened to the awesome style of videos (like xellos_pluto's) that had minimal special effects that didnt get in the way of the footage.. so many videos now, mostly euro vids have way too many effects. the videos should be about the gameplay/people you showcase, not yourself and how good you are at editing videos
the awesome style of xellos_pluto's videos? you mean how he took clips of progamers playing and slapped them together with music? his videos werent well made, not even in the slightest. granted they were actually watchable, unlike this video
On November 24 2006 18:27 SoMuchBetter wrote: the awesome style of xellos_pluto's videos? you mean how he took clips of progamers playing and slapped them together with music? his videos werent well made, not even in the slightest. granted they were actually watchable, unlike this video
'awesome style' isn't quite right yes, because he didnt focus on style but on quality footage which made it awesome. special effects, zooming in/out, ultra-slow motion, and worst of all flashes that serve only to go along with the music all can get in the way of what's actually trying to be shown, the gameplay.
imo, acceptable effects include (but may not be limited to) transitional effects (between clips), intro/ending effects (provided they aren't TOO long)
i also like it when video makers put in things like: 1. joining multiple adjacent screens together to form a giant screen (as if viewing the game on high resolution) 2. picture-in-picture to show 2 different areas simultaneously 3. unit frames/selection panels along with footage 4. showing the player's face/1st-person micro/hands and most of all, their facial reactions 5. background info: not only the player names, but who is what color, what game/league/tournament/date 6. if it's from a vod, we should hear the announcers over the music
i'm downloading the video, but there was a little video made as an ums map i watched today that sounds very much like this. It was maybe 7-8 minutes and basically made fun of BGH players doing a 3v1. ehh, first time i've uploaded anything before hope it work.
Thx a lot for the overwhelming feedback all. I enjoyed reading all your comments, critiques, downfalls, etc. I accept suggestions openly, and I'm definitely not one to get mad over peoples opinions of my work.
I want you all to keep in mind that this was my very first video! It took me two months for 13 minutes. It was fun ^_^ lol
Anyway, I'll admit I think I over did it on the effects, but all in all I feel it turned out nicely. I liked the theme I chose and the quotes, etc. I play both low money and fastest, but I excel at fastest map so I chose to make a montage over that which I'm best at.
I'm glad a majority of you enjoyed it, and I'll keep in mind your suggestions when I set out to make my second. <3
-Cal- Cal Creations™
P.S - Physician, your the man for posting this here dude, thx a bunch.
On November 24 2006 11:01 Physician wrote: I wonder sometimes how the guys that make the movies take all the crap, specially from the spoiled brats that never give anything but their complaints.
Do they? I haven't seen any highlight videos recently that have been poorly recieved except for this one and the one that pum plagiarized on.
On November 24 2006 23:29 Calvino wrote: Thx a lot for the overwhelming feedback all. I enjoyed reading all your comments, critiques, downfalls, etc. I accept suggestions openly, and I'm definitely not one to get mad over peoples opinions of my work.
I want you all to keep in mind that this was my very first video! It took me two months for 13 minutes. It was fun ^_^ lol
Anyway, I'll admit I think I over did it on the effects, but all in all I feel it turned out nicely. I liked the theme I chose and the quotes, etc. I play both low money and fastest, but I excel at fastest map so I chose to make a montage over that which I'm best at.
I'm glad a majority of you enjoyed it, and I'll keep in mind your suggestions when I set out to make my second. <3
-Cal- Cal Creations™
P.S - Physician, your the man for posting this here dude, thx a bunch.
Haha it's alrite. Ppl at TL.net are self-proclaimed critics. They complain of something "O not perfect" but creating nothing themselves most of the time. Keep up the work and don't give up
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