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boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
June 15 2012 11:46 GMT
#41
Well, Broodwar is getting cut short after this season. It only makes sense for him to switch now.

It'd be worse if he was just sitting around being bad at SC2 and hating it before finally getting a new non-e-sports job. I'm happy for him. It also must be a nice change of pace from the rigorous teamhouse regimen to start a team with your friends. I hope he enjoys LoL and succeeds.

Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 11:50:10
June 15 2012 11:49 GMT
#42
On June 15 2012 19:45 letian wrote:
I have a feeling that, it is just a beginning of the great exodus. If SC2 won't get any significant spectator popularity soon, which I think it doesn't, we know how it will all end.


If you're comparing it to LoL, you will be waiting for an extremely long time. I seriously doubt that SC2 will come close to LoL's popularity. Too many damaging factors happened in the StarCraft scene. Since Brood War is now on its death bed and scheduled to have the plug pulled, you can expect much more players defecting to LoL.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
June 15 2012 11:51 GMT
#43
On June 15 2012 18:21 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 18:06 M2 wrote:
arent progamers like grape loosing some of their competitive adavntage in games like LoL, Dota? I mean their hand speed, reaction time maybe even practicing habits will not pay off in a game where the team play is way more valuable, people that are pretty good, not exceptional, but have good team strategy will most likely have what it takes to take a game. In individual games like sc1, sc2 their individual skills will shine so much more

Current LoL players aren't even close to demonstrating where the skill cap is for the game, and one reason for that is that most current LoL players don't really have outstanding mechanical ability. Most of the players who are known for their mechanics are either Chinese or Korean, and it seems fitting or likely that BW players would be able to demonstrate how much LoL skill can really be derived from blindingly fast mechanics and reaction time.

I dont know jack about LoL, but this post somehow is incredibly awesome for me. Thank you.
Stork[gm]
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
June 15 2012 11:57 GMT
#44
On June 15 2012 18:21 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 18:06 M2 wrote:
arent progamers like grape loosing some of their competitive adavntage in games like LoL, Dota? I mean their hand speed, reaction time maybe even practicing habits will not pay off in a game where the team play is way more valuable, people that are pretty good, not exceptional, but have good team strategy will most likely have what it takes to take a game. In individual games like sc1, sc2 their individual skills will shine so much more

Current LoL players aren't even close to demonstrating where the skill cap is for the game, and one reason for that is that most current LoL players don't really have outstanding mechanical ability. Most of the players who are known for their mechanics are either Chinese or Korean, and it seems fitting or likely that BW players would be able to demonstrate how much LoL skill can really be derived from blindingly fast mechanics and reaction time.

Mechanics in LoL? I'd imagine they switch to LoL because they don't have to practice so much coupled with it's popularity.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
June 15 2012 12:06 GMT
#45
what...

Best of luck to Grape.
Stuck.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 12:11:08
June 15 2012 12:07 GMT
#46
Good for them

Personally I think it's a clever move.

On June 15 2012 19:45 letian wrote:
I have a feeling that, it is just a beginning of the great exodus. If SC2 won't get any significant spectator popularity soon, which I think it doesn't, we know how it will all end.

Perhaps.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
SKDN
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden243 Posts
June 15 2012 12:19 GMT
#47
Comparing SC2 to LoL is like comparing boxing to soccer, Even if i think LoL requires less "skill" teamwork is very important and they might be burnt out from Broodwar and want something more causal on mechanics?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 12:22:07
June 15 2012 12:19 GMT
#48
On June 15 2012 17:12 ]343[ wrote:
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On June 15 2012 17:09 LeapofFaith wrote:
Hmmm any reason why quite a few ex-SC players are moving to LoL?


it's big and there's money to be made


Same reasons for why guys were switching to other games. We knew something like this would happen. It was a question of whom. Stork already changed his mind and decided to continue with SC2 for a little longer instead of going to LoL like he said he was considering.

On June 15 2012 20:51 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 18:21 infinitestory wrote:
On June 15 2012 18:06 M2 wrote:
arent progamers like grape loosing some of their competitive adavntage in games like LoL, Dota? I mean their hand speed, reaction time maybe even practicing habits will not pay off in a game where the team play is way more valuable, people that are pretty good, not exceptional, but have good team strategy will most likely have what it takes to take a game. In individual games like sc1, sc2 their individual skills will shine so much more

Current LoL players aren't even close to demonstrating where the skill cap is for the game, and one reason for that is that most current LoL players don't really have outstanding mechanical ability. Most of the players who are known for their mechanics are either Chinese or Korean, and it seems fitting or likely that BW players would be able to demonstrate how much LoL skill can really be derived from blindingly fast mechanics and reaction time.

I dont know jack about LoL, but this post somehow is incredibly awesome for me. Thank you.


It is so awkward for me to hear someone describe a players mechanics in LoL. O-O

I mean I've been watching the bloody thing to try and understand it but that's just watching. I've never played Dota or anything of this sort. It just doesn't tickle my fancy, so I really don't know.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
June 15 2012 12:21 GMT
#49
On June 15 2012 21:19 SKDN wrote:
Comparing SC2 to LoL is like comparing boxing to soccer, Even if i think LoL requires less "skill" teamwork is very important and they might be burnt out from Broodwar and want something more causal on mechanics?


Well they both fit in to one category "Casual friendly" :D
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Fleuria
Profile Joined April 2011
England466 Posts
June 15 2012 12:23 GMT
#50
LoL is a completely terriblie game but since it was marketed fantastically by riot, it can cover as an esports game, shame

gl to these guys
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
June 15 2012 12:27 GMT
#51
On June 15 2012 20:18 Gamegene wrote:
LoL >>>>>>>>>> SC2 just in terms of popularity.

Can't blame em.

ok, but it's terrible to watch, at least for me
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 15 2012 12:28 GMT
#52
On June 15 2012 21:27 Garmer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 20:18 Gamegene wrote:
LoL >>>>>>>>>> SC2 just in terms of popularity.

Can't blame em.

ok, but it's terrible to watch, at least for me


opinions!
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
June 15 2012 12:35 GMT
#53
Maybe SC2 is simply too saturated? There's already an established SC2 scene, and basically all the remaining BW players are switching to SC2. On the other hand, LoL is pretty fresh and is growing at a rapid rate.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
June 15 2012 12:39 GMT
#54
On June 15 2012 21:35 bearbuddy wrote:
Maybe SC2 is simply too saturated? There's already an established SC2 scene, and basically all the remaining BW players are switching to SC2. On the other hand, LoL is pretty fresh and is growing at a rapid rate.

You can't say SC2 is "saturated" in Korean scene if it didn't have a huge breakout yet, compared to LoL which had higher numbers in attendance in its first season (Champions).
ppp
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 15 2012 12:44 GMT
#55
On June 15 2012 21:21 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 21:19 SKDN wrote:
Comparing SC2 to LoL is like comparing boxing to soccer, Even if i think LoL requires less "skill" teamwork is very important and they might be burnt out from Broodwar and want something more causal on mechanics?


Well they both fit in to one category "Casual friendly" :D

And they both relate to their better parts in the same way(SC2<-->BW, LoL<-->DotA). Too bad it's not DotA which got popular in Korea. The Chinese did a bad job in spreading the love :<
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
June 15 2012 12:44 GMT
#56
All this talk of lol being casual and less stressful makes no sense. What makes progaming so stressful isn't so much the game itself but rather the competition. If there's enough money in the scene, you'll have people practice 10hours a day working to become the best at the game. Even if mechanically LoL isn't on par with BW, they still need to practice teamwork and other skills to give them an edge. So either these guys think there's more money in LoL, or they like the game more than SC2.

I also think another possibility is that SC2 is a more established scene, with a ton of great players already fighting for prize/sponsorship money. This isn't like BW where you know being among the best kespa players make you the best in the world. Overall, SC2 is a pretty risky transition for a lot of players. Khan players just seem to have figured this out quicker than others. Probably due to their more relaxed, open atmosphere.
Meh
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 15 2012 12:51 GMT
#57
On June 15 2012 21:28 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 21:27 Garmer wrote:
On June 15 2012 20:18 Gamegene wrote:
LoL >>>>>>>>>> SC2 just in terms of popularity.

Can't blame em.

ok, but it's terrible to watch, at least for me


opinions!


No shit; you would think people would get over it already. If you don't like it fine. Everyone has their own preferences. Doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to bitch and moan about it.

Just like BW and SC2 are worlds apart too even though they're both branded RTS games.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 12:53:07
June 15 2012 12:51 GMT
#58
Sometimes people just make a change when they are presented with options. Doesn't mean they dislike something, just that they made a choice. I wish them all the best. <3
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 15 2012 12:52 GMT
#59
On June 15 2012 21:39 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 21:35 bearbuddy wrote:
Maybe SC2 is simply too saturated? There's already an established SC2 scene, and basically all the remaining BW players are switching to SC2. On the other hand, LoL is pretty fresh and is growing at a rapid rate.

You can't say SC2 is "saturated" in Korean scene if it didn't have a huge breakout yet, compared to LoL which had higher numbers in attendance in its first season (Champions).


The thing is you can keep expecting/anticipating this all you want. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.

You cannot go back in history and rewrite time man.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
June 15 2012 12:53 GMT
#60
L O L

...what a terrible news..
T H C makes ppl happy
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