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On June 04 2012 09:11 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 08:44 Torenhire wrote:On June 03 2012 18:00 JieXian wrote: 1v1 Record: All: 3-6 (33.33%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W L W W L L | View Games vT: 0-2 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L | View Games vZ: 3-3 (50.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W W W | View Games vP: 0-1 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L | View Games
>_> and yet the highlights were siiick..
Thanks and keep it coming! Those are his televised games, his highlights are from ladder matches Maybe he mean that a player of Dove's caliber that can do such amazings things on ladder but still can't catch a break in televised games record because the competition and skill cap is absolutly off the hook it's crazy and amazing at the same time. Nonetheless what he was thinking off, this is why I don't want to call modern progamers bad whoever they are and their 1v1 KeSPA records. If you would judge Dove's skill after his record you would call him bad, but we all know that his skill in Starcraft Broodwar is something 99% of the people here on TL will never reach up to. This went off topic, but my point is that we all should respect these progamers even if their records aren't that good. People quickly forgets how insane the competition and skill cap is in SC:BW and some people on this forum are really quick call out players being bad and shit.
This is so true. Even with all the joking in the chat rooms while proleague/osl/msl were playing, people calling players bad and shit. a lot of these guys with way losing records are still gosu as heck.
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On June 04 2012 10:46 LuckyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 09:11 Gosi wrote:On June 04 2012 08:44 Torenhire wrote:On June 03 2012 18:00 JieXian wrote: 1v1 Record: All: 3-6 (33.33%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W L W W L L | View Games vT: 0-2 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L | View Games vZ: 3-3 (50.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W W W | View Games vP: 0-1 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L | View Games
>_> and yet the highlights were siiick..
Thanks and keep it coming! Those are his televised games, his highlights are from ladder matches Maybe he mean that a player of Dove's caliber that can do such amazings things on ladder but still can't catch a break in televised games record because the competition and skill cap is absolutly off the hook it's crazy and amazing at the same time. Nonetheless what he was thinking off, this is why I don't want to call modern progamers bad whoever they are and their 1v1 KeSPA records. If you would judge Dove's skill after his record you would call him bad, but we all know that his skill in Starcraft Broodwar is something 99% of the people here on TL will never reach up to. This went off topic, but my point is that we all should respect these progamers even if their records aren't that good. People quickly forgets how insane the competition and skill cap is in SC:BW and some people on this forum are really quick call out players being bad and shit. This is so true. Even with all the joking in the chat rooms while proleague/osl/msl were playing, people calling players bad and shit. a lot of these guys with way losing records are still gosu as heck.
this is true in most sports - not even of just the lower-tier players, but somebody might even say "dwayne wade played badly last night," even though a bad game by his standards would be a career game even for many people who make it to the nba. but i think many people forget with regard to starcraft, since it's an esport, that this is just a way of speaking, so it certainly bears repeating.
that said, people may still be right to say that in_dove was genuinely more talented than his televised record indicates, even given the incredibly difficulty of televised competition. i don't know enough about bw to be able to judge that from a first-person stream of games played against a wide swath of people, but he certainly impressed me
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On June 05 2012 00:22 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 10:46 LuckyMacro wrote:On June 04 2012 09:11 Gosi wrote:On June 04 2012 08:44 Torenhire wrote:On June 03 2012 18:00 JieXian wrote: 1v1 Record: All: 3-6 (33.33%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W L W W L L | View Games vT: 0-2 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L | View Games vZ: 3-3 (50.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L W W W | View Games vP: 0-1 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L | View Games
>_> and yet the highlights were siiick..
Thanks and keep it coming! Those are his televised games, his highlights are from ladder matches Maybe he mean that a player of Dove's caliber that can do such amazings things on ladder but still can't catch a break in televised games record because the competition and skill cap is absolutly off the hook it's crazy and amazing at the same time. Nonetheless what he was thinking off, this is why I don't want to call modern progamers bad whoever they are and their 1v1 KeSPA records. If you would judge Dove's skill after his record you would call him bad, but we all know that his skill in Starcraft Broodwar is something 99% of the people here on TL will never reach up to. This went off topic, but my point is that we all should respect these progamers even if their records aren't that good. People quickly forgets how insane the competition and skill cap is in SC:BW and some people on this forum are really quick call out players being bad and shit. This is so true. Even with all the joking in the chat rooms while proleague/osl/msl were playing, people calling players bad and shit. a lot of these guys with way losing records are still gosu as heck. this is true in most sports - not even of just the lower-tier players, but somebody might even say "dwayne wade played badly last night," even though a bad game by his standards would be a career game even for many people who make it to the nba. but i think many people forget with regard to starcraft, since it's an esport, that this is just a way of speaking, so it certainly bears repeating. that said, people may still be right to say that in_dove was genuinely more talented than his televised record indicates, even given the incredibly difficulty of televised competition. i don't know enough about bw to be able to judge that from a first-person stream of games played against a wide swath of people, but he certainly impressed me
Yes don't worry I'm not retarded lol. It says so much about the level of play in BW. Microing like that isn't enough to get you far enough, there are still so many other deeper aspects of the game.
Which reminds me of the Proleague finals. In the interview Flash was asked what could he have done better in his 2 games. He said that if he didn't lose the dropship vs Fantasy he would have done better but when asked about Bisu, all he said was "Bisu played well". No "if only I had prepared vultures and mines earlier" that everyone was talking about.
To explain on that, a few days after the finals someone posted about how Bisu had two citadels and let Flash kill one while researching speed with the other, which was a waaaay better explaination than Flash "being careless" or "caught off guard"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329538¤tpage=11#206 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329538¤tpage=11#215
too bad his post didn't get much attention since it was posted quite late.
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Awesome! I really like the music choice as well, very nice to chill with.
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