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"This was done intentionally so that people wouldn't be able to point to great BW games right before SC2 comes out and claim that there is something worth saving. It's not to ease the transition of BW to SC2 but to force it even more. Thank you @ Blizzard, KeSPa, and everyone else involved in this murder. The best part is that the Korean BW following is probably STILL stronger than the SC2 one, but it sure won't be after this season. Perfect plot! Good work all around, pass around the cigars. FML."
Read all of the posts here and feel like this previous post by me still sums up how I feel.
Yes I would rather burn this house down than see it inhabited by my enemy. Yes I would break the toy before handing it to a child who will modify it to the point where it will only be the same toy in name, but not quality or play. Yes I would rather have both games die than SC2 take BW's place and players, because it's a bastardization of the game I love. The only thing about SC2 that I feel any allegiance to is TL, and because TL has embraced the game and is now competing in it I can't wish ill upon TL. But other than that...
The main reasons that BW stopped getting sponsors are: 1. Savior/Matchfixing, 2. SC2 being very popular in the chobo foreign community (aka ESPORTS, fuck). SC2 was a flop in Korea, in part due to LAN/account restrictions, in part due to the fact that the game is not BW and Koreans like BW, so why switch? I'm guessing there a bunch of suits sitting somewhere rubbing their hands together now that they finally can milk some money out of SC2 when it "replaces" BW, because they see the money-making potential of SC2 in the foreign community and think that the same shit will fly in Korea.
Well there's no choice now I guess, thanks for the dick down our throat.
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i thought BW guys werent such drama queens... BW is my favourite game ever but i dont mind this transition..
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I'm becoming more and more okay with SC2 being the next thing. I don't like to see it "replace" BW but meh, reality. Especially with the bigger maps (e.g. Ohana) we're starting to see things that look like "real" games.
Plus, honestly, I kind of want to know what fantasy does when it turns out he still can't bio. 
All that said, this particular format is kind of dumb.
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i am more hyped about this than d3 -_- go broodwar!! wonder who ll play the sc2 games, hope flash and jd do broodwar~~
for threads, why seperate, it would be messy, just do a normal pro league thread in bw forums, whoever acts retarded gets banned :3
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Are they going to play Broodwar or Starcraft 2 in these opening matches?
oh nvm, just saw the maps, they playing both games, nice! 
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I think I'm gonna watch this for the lulz. Think about it. Because they're practicing two games at the same time, every player will be Jaehoon-like. They're going to confuse their hotkeys. They're going to forget upgrades that don't exist in the other game. They're going to mess up their build orders.
I'd prefer having separate LR threads where we can discuss everything. Might be better to discuss even the SC2 games here without the SC2 community.
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Well there you have it, but I wish they wouldve kept at least the ace match as BW, Bisu vs JD just isnt the same thing in SC2..
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So watch three sets -> take break when SC2 is on -> repeat cycle.
and ACE might actually have a chance now that SC2 is in the game lineup!
EDIT: oh wait, forgot anyone can be good at SC2...nvm..
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I don't know if ACE even has the funding to buy computers that can run SC2. They are probably just going to wing it.
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I am ridiculously excited to see what BW pros bring to SC2. I fully expect them to affect the metagame in at least a minor way.
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did I miss the information or they didn't say anything yet about an English stream?
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I think this sounds pretty interesting, to be honest. I'll be watching all sets even though I'm more into SC2. I don't understand how you could only watch one set and just ignore the other without caring what team actually wins. Well, I guess if you're really *that* bitter and angry it makes sense, but I personally consider this format a unique, once-in-a-lifetime experiment that I'm excited to be a part of.
I also think it makes much more sense to have SC2 as the ace match. If Proleague is going to make a full switch to SC2 then they should emphasize it's importance in the format to encourage teams to practice it more. My only complaint is that perhaps the ace match should be BO3 since SC2 games tend to be shorter than BW.
I agree too that separate LR threads is a good idea! Although if the really angry BW fans don't even watch the SC2 games then I guess the hate will be kept to a minimum (as I don't think SC2 fans will have any reason to complain).
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Will they have different monitors for BW/SC2 or just superimpose 4:3 on a widescreen for BW? Having no LAN is going to cause so many fucking problems. The game quality will be poor, though it will be nice having a larger player pool, that could make for some funny ones.
The first JD/Flash SC2 Ace match is going to be the weirdest/saddest/funniest thing I've seen.
Hopefully this shit works, but goddamn if there's a lot of things that could make it awful. Something like this could give a boost to the BW, as the excitement of the spectacle has worn down over the years. Having seen fewer games for the past year and now even less could actually give a push-back towards wanting more.
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It is strange to look and see SKT vs T8 and see Brood War maps but then oh wait, Entombed Valley!? Antiga Shipyard!? Very surreal but also very exciting. Simply cannot wait!
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That feeling when BW progamers are playing on Cloud Kingdom and Ohana :D
But I find it interesting that they aren't playing on GSL maps yet, so no Daybreak or Tal'Darim. Though to be fair, the ladder versions of those two maps aren't as good as their original tournament versions.
And there have been worse maps than Entombed Valley and Antiga Shipyard, though using the ladder versions will be annoying since most tournament versions tweak spawns and the ramps to make games less cheese-filled. I'm very worried that a lot of these early SC2 games will be rather cheesy due to low player skill and bad spawn positions on ladder maps.
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Hmm sad to see it end like this but I'll be cheering for T8 all the way, in the interview earlier, i think it was jaehoon who said t8 were the first to get into sc2, which would certainly explain their dire performance last season, I just hope that means that they are actually good at sc2 :D
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I don't know if ACE even has the funding to buy computers that can run SC2. They are probably just going to wing it.
Didn't they tell that they were practicing SC2 exclusively whole off-season? Maybe I got that part wrong
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Here's hoping this format completely bombs. SC2 will never get the TV ratings in Korea to be profitable. If the people at the studio and watching on TV do leave/turn off during SC2 then OGN will be forced to make a decision. BW won't bring in substantial online viewers. SC2 won't bring in substantial TV viewers. They will go full SC2 and become online only or revert back to BW (wishful thinking) or drop any form of Starcraft entirely.
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On May 11 2012 01:25 eviltomahawk wrote:
That feeling when BW progamers are playing on Cloud Kingdom and Ohana :D
But I find it interesting that they aren't playing on GSL maps yet, so no Daybreak or Tal'Darim. Though to be fair, the ladder versions of those two maps aren't as good as their original tournament versions.
And there have been worse maps than Entombed Valley and Antiga Shipyard, though using the ladder versions will be annoying since most tournament versions tweak spawns and the ramps to make games less cheese-filled. I'm very worried that a lot of these early SC2 games will be rather cheesy due to low player skill and bad spawn positions on ladder maps.
They can't play on gsl maps due to previous animosity between them. OGN will have to make their own maps and they are very good mapmakers.
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